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The Associated Worlds
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In which I write crossover fanfic of my own universe.
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For anyone with absolutely no idea what the channel description is talking about, it's this: https://www.fimfiction.net/story/327837/friendship-is-sufficiently-advanced
A first-in scout from the Associated Worlds investigates a very odd star system.
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Miss-read.
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Enderminion 12/29/2017 2:34 PM
is it really a crossover if the author writes it?
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A crossover is the placement of two or more otherwise discrete fictional characters, settings, or universes into the context of a single story. They can arise from legal agreements between the relevant copyright holders, unauthorized efforts by f...
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Seems to me it fits the criteria pretty well.
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Hussah!
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I don’t know how common it is for creators to write crossovers with their own works, but I’ll admit I wrote a Zootopia/Para-Imperium one-shot.
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Is this still alive? Because it was pretty cool.
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Still, despite the lack of recent updates. I plan on having a new chapter out in what’s left of this year.
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Awesome. Look forward to it.
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@Zarpaulek I've seen it happen once or twice in sci fi literature, and far more frequently in comic book series.
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A first-in scout from the Associated Worlds investigates a very odd star system.
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MarcusAurelius 12/31/2017 11:55 PM
Congrats
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Neat (edited)
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This was good to read.
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 01/01/2018 3:26 AM
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So, this version of Lyra is obsessed with Precursors rather than humans?
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"Are you an Ancient?" "Well, I'm only one hundred and twenty-six..." (edited)
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Yeah, I figured it might make a good alternate obsession.
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With even an eensy wee overlap.
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Cordelia should be glad that it's Pinkie, and not Fluffle Puff.
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oh, that link starts at chapter 10
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not chapter 1
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>.>
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That link was for the new chapter.
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You just sold a book with this 😃
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😃 He got two books?
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I'm not a fast reader, I'll get t'other one eventually 😛
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@charliii Thanks! Hope you enjoy it.
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It's perfect!
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Well, only update can improve enjoyment.
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#Subtle
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#somuchediting
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wanted to ask about probable update to meeting of the friends.
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Ah, is this still a thing? Is maybe the more pressing question?
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It is still a thing, but the recent six 80-hr weeks for $CONTRACT have been murder on my productivity, if good for the my cash flow.
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80-hr week is a murder on many things...
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Oh Wow.
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That's no fun.
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And it’s sort of third tier, after $CONTRACT and regular fiction and maintaining something resembling habitability around here. 😄
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Yeah, I get that.
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Yeah, it was a big ball of suck. Pre-release crunch time - you know how it goes.
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knows it all to well, is kinda on the post-crunch anti-burnout slowdown
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Enderminion 04/11/2018 5:02 PM
feels like I haven't stopped crunching in weeks
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Yay, more ponies!
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I swear I'm going to make more progress on this particular splinter in 2019.
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Morgrim Moon 12/31/2018 10:26 AM
"Mission status is shiny-optimal" I like this designation. I am imagining it in terms of "We've hit a jackpot!"
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Do you know that using our blood nano to teleport is surprisingly easy, but highly non-intuitive?
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Morgrim Moon 12/31/2018 10:30 AM
crashing your ship is probably non-optimal, but that was a miscommunication
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Unless you're Twilight Sparkle, in which case you can do it without thinking about it.
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oh, there was an update on this?
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Check #announcements @o11o1
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For those awaiting more FiSA... ...well, there's not yet more FiSA. But there is a new side stories and notes collection, and it begins with a new short happening elsewhere in the Advancedverse:
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Vignettes from elsewhere in the Friendship is Sufficiently Advanced universe
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 01/10/2019 6:13 PM
the page links appear to be mislabeled
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How so?
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 01/10/2019 6:16 PM
the link that purports to go to 2 cut snippets goes to 2 battle of eclipse. following links are off by one.
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I moved a chapter around at the last minute. Refreshing should clear it up, I think.
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 01/10/2019 6:21 PM
ok, that fixed it
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And lazerpone
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Yes yay!
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More advancedverse is good
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@Overmind plz ban
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Swordsage'd
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@Overmind plz ban now!
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Morgrim Moon 01/14/2019 8:46 AM
intermediary: you can also block them
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Target designated for artillery and ortillery barrage.
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This particular breed doesn't hang around. The other server I run gets one every day or two.
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@Tassadar Hold your butts. I sleep occasionally.
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You were labeled as online! And also, you're the only mod.
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What just happened?
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A spammer was in the server advertising something untoward.
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untoward Galaxy's greatest understatement.
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I'm quite annoyed at whoever is sending this lot; I assume they figured the same invite brute Force as the previous lot.
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But are less innocuous.
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Spammer? Was it something about sex dating -- ?
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Yes, unfortunately.
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They are bots, we got a handful in the last days already. (edited)
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Not going to post the side notes on the Patreon, but here's a new one: https://www.fimfiction.net/story/429457/6/fisa-side-stories-and-notes/6-on-griffonstone
Vignettes from elsewhere in the Friendship is Sufficiently Advanced universe
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So, the new season added another chapter of ancient Equestrian history.
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Would this make Grogar, Father of Monsters, First Emperor of Equestira a Precursor in the Advancedverse? (edited)
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Vignettes from elsewhere in the Friendship is Sufficiently Advanced universe
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Morgrim Moon 07/01/2019 12:33 AM
I'm guessing canonical character with a continuity glitch?
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Yep. But this way is funnier.
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Morgrim Moon 07/01/2019 12:47 AM
Agreed
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Pony gun
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BluejayHurricane 09/06/2019 11:43 PM
Whose work?
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Baron Engel, his sig is center bottom
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...How the hell do you have a hand?
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Telekinesis
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Creates force field blades (edited)
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Cuts wall clean in half
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sdschildberg 09/20/2019 4:37 PM
using mage hand to use the fighters weapon
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Although, really, you don't need a gun when your psychokinesis is more than capable of accelerating pebbles to lethal velocity.
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They never do that in MLP, which is why the magic system is BS
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0111narwhalz 09/20/2019 4:38 PM
perhaps the telekinesis is not strong enough to sever the bonds of matter
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A.T Field intensifies
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0111narwhalz 09/20/2019 4:38 PM
so forceblades might not be a thing for a self-consistent reason
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Or, seeing as it's Twilight Sparkle , you can basically make arbitrary revisions to the laws of physics with your brain.
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Also why do the unicorns not rule over the other ponies (who don't even have opposable thumbs) like gods with their FUCKING MAGIC? (edited)
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They're, er, nice?
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Why can't you use the magic field to crush a whole army?
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that's not how geopolitics works but OK
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literally
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Depends on how civilized your species is.
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Not how human geopolitics works.
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0111narwhalz 09/20/2019 4:40 PM
I get the sense that geopolitics work rather a bit different for a people who have friendship as one of their core principles.
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Also, because each tribe has its very own I WIN button, which is why the three-way conflict in the backstory ended up with an Everybody Loses scenario.
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what are the others'?
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The pegasi can whip up a hurricane - or insert other severe weather condition here - and park it over you until your territory looks like Atlantis.
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sdschildberg 09/20/2019 4:42 PM
So gold old fashioned MAD is in play
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0111narwhalz 09/20/2019 4:43 PM
nontransitive cycle best balance technique
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Meanwhile, earth pony magic is responsible for Equestria's impossibly good agricultural yields. Apart from the implicit power that goes along with "it's our power that lets you have a non-subsistence civilization", imagine how that works thrown into reverse. You really manage to piss off the earths, you're gonna be living in an infertile wasteland.
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Can't the unicorns just magic food out of nowhere because fuck conservation of matter? The powerful ones, at least
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(Leaving aside the more questionable other forms of geomancy which may also be in play.)
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Conservation of energy is the problem there, I think. Food ex nihilo takes more out of you than it puts back in.
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In any case, how many unicorns are powerful enough to do that sort of thing?
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Very few.
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(Would they be rendered without magic if somebody snapped off their horn?)
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Sniper team aims for magic horn
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sdschildberg 09/20/2019 4:46 PM
This also makes a Fallout scenario work, if all 3 pressed the Big Red Button
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Bullet bounces off kinetic shield.
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uses anti-magic field bullet
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sdschildberg 09/20/2019 4:48 PM
We dont have context for true 3-way MAD
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Which is the enviroment in play
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or we could just hit it hard enough that it uses up all the magic energy sustaining a field that can take such a huge amount of energy
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no doubt send them flying
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Although, if you're going to try using modern Earth armaments, the unicorn you should be terrified of is Rarity , whose psychokinetic dexterity is off the scale. Imagine all the pins in all the grenades in your unit being pulled simultanously.
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sdschildberg 09/20/2019 4:50 PM
4 way, actually, as (whoever the dark moon ponies were) cant plot rule a dead world
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Then we shall use the element of stealthium and surprisate
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@Unknown welcome to Fallout:Equestria. Been going strong for a couple years now. I think the story is finished, but it's a long one.
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0111narwhalz 09/20/2019 4:50 PM
surprisate is a compound though
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not to mention plotonium
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@Overmind Aha, but what if my grenades are neurally activated? no pins to pull here
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0111narwhalz 09/20/2019 4:53 PM
well that's a techlevel jump and a half
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"well what if..." Goalpost moved
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Or just activated with a digital semiconductor switch?
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Although, really the best take on the whole thing is Admiral Biscuit's War Were Declared : https://www.fimfiction.net/story/220826/war-were-declared
President Cheney declares war on Equestria.
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I don't think they have EW on hand
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sdschildberg 09/20/2019 4:57 PM
Ah yes, the classic Modern Military vs high fantasy conflict
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I can feel the GATE intensifying
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The series of escalations, naturally, ends with: 'Mr. President? She replied—and I quote—'Thus far, civilians on your side have not been involved in large numbers. Should you chose to use your so-called 'nuclear' option on one of our cities, I will have no choice but to respond with our 'fusion' option. My sister has proposed seeing if I can control your sun well enough to make a mile-wide straight-line path from Los Angeles to Washington D.C. with a small portion of your sun. She irreverently calls it “Bowling for Humans.” That is kinder than her earlier suggestion of reuniting the moon with the Earth.'
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The lesson of this is that one should not pick fights with Kardashev Level II individuals .
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Hmm, but what if I send cyborg ninja squads to attack?
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Cyborg Ninja Pony Magical Girls
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you are banished
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new favorite anime
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remove weeb
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CEASE.
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Although, if you're going to try using modern Earth armaments, the unicorn you should be terrified of is Rarity , whose psychokinetic dexterity is off the scale. Imagine all the pins in all the grenades in your unit being pulled simultanously.
Steps to Exploding Grenade 1. Remove Jungle Clip 2. Pull Pin 3. Throw the Jungle Clip holds the pin and spoon on, the pin holds the spoon on as well, three guesses as to where the Jungle Clip got it's name, the Spoon when removed (spring loaded) starts the fuse
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/22/2019 7:05 PM
@Enderminion I'm pretty certain the first two guesses as to why the jungle clip was invented don't count either
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Enderminion 09/22/2019 8:17 PM
nope
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sdschildberg 11/14/2019 9:13 PM
Discord, agent of petty chaos, would be a lot more evil for the eldrae
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Jade Nekotenshi 11/14/2019 9:33 PM
I'd hate (or perhaps love, in a schadenfreude sense) to see what they'd think of Tirek, though... A thief, a slaver and one who wantonly destroys beauty and awesomeness for the power to be better at enslaving?
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sdschildberg 11/14/2019 9:36 PM
“You get an F+ for effort and dedication But you still need to die Right Now (edited)
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I do like the fic where he gets fed an... Amulet constructed out of magically shrunk swords and pikes. And eats magic holding things safe. While it's in the middle of his throat
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BluejayHurricane 01/13/2020 10:58 PM
Weather control satellites should be designated Pegasui.
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Given that they're likely to better at large-scale manipulations rather than the small-scale, they may end up designated Megasi .
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(Assuming, that is, they do not end up being named the Rainbow Dash Orbital Weather Management Platforms of Undiluted Awesome .)
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rdowmpua ?
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ponders if that acronym can be re-arranged to something pronouncible
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arr dou wump ua?
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rolls off the tongue
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Morgrim Moon 02/02/2020 7:02 PM
even for rarity, boob tubes do NOT work that way
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Jade Nekotenshi 02/02/2020 7:03 PM
Artists do not know how boobs work...
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(Apparently even when they have 'em. I have a whole album full of furry art committing much the same sin; suffice it to say the artist ought to have known better from experience.)
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Morgrim Moon 02/02/2020 7:05 PM
often the commissioner insists
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Jade Nekotenshi 02/02/2020 7:06 PM
Ah, that would explain it.
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sdschildberg 02/02/2020 7:06 PM
Staying faithful to contract sometimes requires sacrifices, after all Also skinsuits don’t work like that
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Jade Nekotenshi 02/02/2020 7:06 PM
(I bought a ton of damaged pieces from her, because the person who originally commissioned them didn't pick them up and hadn't for two years, then they got coked.)
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I've had more than one commissioned artist drop off the face of the earth
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Another time I had co-commissioned something with the artist's boyfriend, then they broke up.
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sdschildberg 02/06/2020 7:13 PM
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MLP crossing over with something less fantasy than itself
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Jade Nekotenshi 02/06/2020 7:21 PM
Haha
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petition for #wyrmverse
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Not sure we need a channel for a fanfic I'm probably not writing?
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didn't you already tho
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like it's on the site and everything
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Just a first chapter with a declaration that it's fairly unlikely there were more to follow. Probably. Maybe.
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we demand more
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BluejayHurricane 02/06/2020 9:48 PM
No no no he has too many projects already.
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Enough worm
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It's "compelling" setting that's written by absolute hack of a writer
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I essentialy have no tastes so I can't tell
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if it's written better than your typical D-grade fanfiction, it's all the same to me
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BluejayHurricane 02/07/2020 1:29 AM
It’s pulp as hell, but that isn’t a bad thing. It could use an editing pass, though.
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Morgrim Moon 02/07/2020 1:40 AM
It's a disabled guy's fun side project that blew up beyond expectations
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I enjoyed it. I think if people enjoy it, that's good enough writing.
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The more I see about Worm, the less I want to touch it with a ten-foot pole.
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SB exploded into Worm fanfics. Exploded enough to demand separate subforum for Worm fics to prevent them from masking everything else
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sdschildberg 02/07/2020 12:46 PM
Given the fact that it’s one of the longest single works, I’m not suprised
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It's also a universe that desperately needs a hug.
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sdschildberg 02/07/2020 12:49 PM
Filled with characters that need therapy
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So is WH40K, but...
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I don't know. The Wormverse feels like it needs a hug. The 40K galaxy feels like it needs a bitch-slap.
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I was talking about the therapy part.
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sdschildberg 02/07/2020 12:53 PM
But Worm is more poignant in that regard due to being character based vs worldstate based
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Depends on the degree of therapy involved. To me, the distinction is probably because while both universes are deeply fucked, the former feels less like essentially every inhabitant of said universe is busily working away to ensure that it continues to get more and more fucked.
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sdschildberg 02/07/2020 12:54 PM
There’s hope. These people haven’t sunk below human baseline. And similarly for the charecter level stuff
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Or, looked at another way, the question "Is there someone(s) around here we could empower with the consequences that the universe becomes a genuinely better place?"
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(If the answer to this is "The Orks, obviously, because while they would plunge the galaxy in to even more eternal waaaagh than it has already, at least there's no actual malice to them. They just like that sort of thing." you maybe should consider noping out on this one.)
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sdschildberg 02/07/2020 1:05 PM
40k is much harder to fix than Worm Other routes I’ve seen is just giving someone impossibly effective psychological therapy. Literally giving the setting and people in it a hug
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I'm pretty sure by 'verse standards of divergence that might amount to "So, we can fix this universe if we basically brain-wipe everyone and implant better people in their bodies."
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sdschildberg 02/07/2020 1:08 PM
It’s still noticeable how many “what if Taylor was sane by some standard” fics are out there
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In any world of superpowers, having a cool head is the most powerful thing
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On the other hand, there's a decent argument to be made (and in the 'verse, generally accepted) that the people who move the world, generally speaking, are all nuts .
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taylor had a snowball's chance in the path of a superzorcher of staying sane
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considering what she went through
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Sanity, after all, is usually defined as "within a low standard deviation of the collective norm". The mass of sane people, therefore, are the negative feedback reinforcers of the status quo.
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Lunatics get shit done.
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sdschildberg 02/07/2020 1:15 PM
Hence why most superheroes are somewhat nuts Keeping their insanity constructive is important. Teams without such capacity end up in Civil War type scenarios.
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And in the verse, the Gaurdians of Our Harmony exist on the scale of civilization
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Jade Nekotenshi 02/07/2020 1:49 PM
I feel like MLP is what you get if you ask "Is there someone(s) around here we could empower with the consequences that the universe becomes a genuinely better place?", and come back with: "Yes. Yes there is. There are several someones, in fact, and I, Princess Celestia, have the power to make it so. Mi Amore Cadenza, Twilight Sparkle, I pick you. Be empowered and bring awesomeness to the universe and drag everyone else along with you, cheering exuberantly!" (edited)
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sdschildberg 02/07/2020 1:50 PM
Where they themselves did the process ages ago
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Randomness: "There is not a sufficient body of evidence to suggest that transplanting the core knowledge of ancient alien civilizations into human minds will always lead to inappropriate giggling and the broadcasting of 'sufficiently epic' film soundtracks during Endbringer fights, but currently there is a 1::1 correlation between the two." - PRT internal memo "SPIDER LEGION! DIVE!" - Taylor Hebert, three days earlier
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SPIDER LEGION
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"You know that making self-replicating Tinker tech gets you a kill order!" "Oops?"
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(This is shortly after it is revealed that, in some cases, ancient cosmic wisdom boils down to "We should kill them and take their stuff.")
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On one hand, she has a kill order for self-replicating Tinker tech, but on the other hand that tech pushed back Leviathan in record time, resulted in the lowest number of casualties for any endbringer fight so far, and are already helping repair the city.
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"Why are you stunning gang members and dumping them outside the city limits?" "Just doing my job, ma'am!" The disturbingly cute spider-bot saluted. "I'm a Mr. Justice (tm)! I was created to protect and serve the good people of Brockton Bay in these trying post-Leviathan times." "...so why are you dumping them there naked ?" "Okay, that's just because it's funny."
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What kind of applied phlebotinum would it take for the Imperial Legions to consider humongous mecha?
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Morgrim Moon 03/16/2020 7:15 PM
"this culture solves disputes via ritualised combat in humongous mecha. To their credit, they mock armies that then try to use the things in proper warfare. And they say they won't listen to us unless we join in. Right-o lads, I know some of you have secretly mourned the practicalities of warfare that prevented us from doing this before, so lets get cracking!"
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Dune-type "negate non-classical weapons" shields?
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Holtzman shields would freeze a mech solid.
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Eh, probably, but the specific hard-sci-fi implications of the actual dune technology aren't the point
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The point is "If you have a magic field that forces you to fight with swords and spears and bows, then mechs/power armor is a sensible technological means of magic those things more powerful"
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If you've got that sort of sufficiently magic field, then your appropriate technological path is archmages.
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BluejayHurricane 03/17/2020 11:30 AM
Yea but an archmage in a mech might be even better than one or the other.
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The question was "What applied phlebotinum" not "What sensible activity of normal physics"
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Jade Nekotenshi 03/17/2020 11:56 AM
Maybe some kind of bizarre set of weakly-godlike-being-enforced rules that humongous mecha happen to abuse loopholes in?
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I mean, yes, but what specific loopholes?
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I think if it can recognize suitably archaic weapons we may have moved beyond phlebotinium and into the realm of Alien Space Bats. (As in, frex, Dies the Fire .)
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It's better hard scifi to pick one or two changes that have the implications you want and follow through than it is to handwave it with a weakly godlike being, I feel
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... that seems to be a very narrow distinction as to what stuff you can or cannot write spec-fic about, but whatever
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Anyone got another idea?
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Terrible alternative one: We have precursor super-weapons, but the precursors were very tall, so we need to build mechs to fight with thier weapons
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I’m not saying you can’t; it’s just that in some cases ASBs are the appropriate change to make. As DtF uses them (some sort of strongly godlike entity) to explain how electronics, explosives, and steam power all stopped working without side effects that basically kill everyone.
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Or just go for complete altphysics, of course. A world in which engineering as we know it doesn’t operate, but Mecha do because they’re qabala-powered golems.
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Also speaking of that: I assume you've read "The girl who poked god with a stick"
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Which ... seems to be down
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They have to be giant biped-types, y’see, ‘cause only things conforming to the image of Adam Qadmon can be brought to life. The Words don’t work on tanks. 😀
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(And yes, I have.)
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Cape name idea:
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Liberator
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Both the “die, slavers” connotations and freeing people’s logi
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Also sounds appropriately badass
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/24/2020 8:19 PM
personally that one sounds too similar to the already-existing gun and aircraft designs
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also I swear something like that is already in use
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Enderminion 03/24/2020 9:20 PM
what are you even talking about?
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Morgrim Moon 03/24/2020 9:42 PM
latest post on #discourse
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simple question, but the eldrae's race would be referred to as "eldraeic" and the language would be "Eldraeic", right?
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capitalization can throw me for a loop sometimes (edited)
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i keep thinking i should capitalize Eldrae, but we used to have a bot that kept telling me not to
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Yes, species names are uncapitalized. Language names are proper nouns.
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right then, i put up a big ol' post on discourse summarizing my thoughts
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long story short: no idea but maybe she should get a full eldraeic name/title/list-of-accomplishments and then pick a Eldraeic word from that that has the right connotations and rolls off the tongue
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sdschildberg 03/25/2020 8:46 AM
Fits one of the common formats for alien-on-earth heroes
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sdschildberg 03/25/2020 6:12 PM
My personal guess would be “repairsoph” but in Eldraic (or “the mender” in english) But liberator works well for a character who’s superpower is G U N (edited)
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at first maybe, but after that it's more like drone swarm
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(with G U N S)
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Morgrim Moon 03/25/2020 10:28 PM
that's an idea. Canon-Taylor uses a swarm of bugs. This one uses a swarm of drones. You can still keep to the insect metaphors, done right
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Like Ufog or does she have Vector control for that?
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Enderminion 03/26/2020 1:21 AM
there is a Drone!Tinker!Taylor fic on SB
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called LORD DOOM
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it's pretty funny
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sdschildberg 03/26/2020 1:24 AM
V!taylor has a power more powerful than Gun, Drone, Mad Science, or even the Transcend It’s sophotech powered therapy
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0111narwhalz 03/26/2020 1:27 AM
wait
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she's not only herself mended
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she's also empowered to mend her allies
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hmm, now that i think about it
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a short name is also a indicator of great significance, the shorter the more significant; Anyone who could pull off simply introducing himself as “the Warrior”, for example, would surely be someone able to win a major fleet action armed only with a cheese knife. (edited)
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so something like "Liberator" would actually be appropriate, but at the same time the only people who would realize the significance would be those who understand eldraeic naming schemes... so only V!Taylor herself.
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Her superpower, in this case, is Science! (And reality-defying idealism. And, at least to start with, a truly epic case of not-really-bipolar disorder.)
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(In the longer run, I'd also say epic smugness, but really, Tattletale has that niche all sewn up.)
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Things to look forward to:
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-"hey dad i'm a seven-foot-tall alien elf now"
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-Transcend vs. Simurgh
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-out-Tattletaling Tattletale
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-Dragon and Saint receiving exactly what they, respectively, deserve
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oh eikones yes
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we demand you write faster, cerb
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/26/2020 12:11 PM
To be fair Dragon can't help what she does
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Hence, what she deserves .
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0111narwhalz 03/26/2020 1:59 PM
I think we'll find it's reality-defining optimism.
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 03/26/2020 9:07 PM
I haevn't read worm, is there already a cape named "Light-bringer"?
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not that I know of, but the "endbringers" are the main villains and endbringer cultists are a major problem they have so it seems asthetically inopportune
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Morgrim Moon 03/27/2020 10:17 AM
hm. Starbearer?
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 10:51 AM
Flame-carrier?
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Torch-passer? No
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Way-star?
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a shining beacon like a lighthouse, or the north star, to guide people
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A meta-opinion that you guys probably don't care to share is that using key-words from your crossover franchise is appropriate; stuff on the level of "Eldrae"
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yeah, i like the idea of using a Eldraeic word too
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just something that sounds good to english ears and has a good meaning behind it
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i'd make suggestions but i would have to go through past posts and make a dictionary of the (revealed) words.
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thought: Danny is going to be the best character in this
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It is my experience that Danny is almost never the best charecter in anything he appears in so you'll have to back that up
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who's danny, again?
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Taylor's dad
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i didn't remember him by name
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He's not an interesting charecter; he's either depressed-mode and not interacting, a source of trauma, or an actual father, and parents make superhero stories less interesting by forcing practical normal "good" choices on protagonists
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fair enough; most examples of parents i've seen in superhero fiction don't have the flexibility of mind to make good choices
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In this context "good choices" means safety and lack of participation in extra-judicial violence
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in other words, their reaction can be summed up as "stop saving the world and come home this instant young man, this is too dangerous!"
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sdschildberg 03/27/2020 5:59 PM
Hence why they get killed for pathos in so many super stories (edited)
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To be fair worm-level superheros are almost never saving the world
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They are in 99% of cases just participating in local gang wars
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worm is very strange in that, technically speaking, supers are the problem
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so maybe the Authority Figure has a point
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Eh, no, given that "not using powers drives you nuts sooner or later" is a thing
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Also supers are a symptom of the problem, on a practical level
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well superheros at least
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just beat up rats then lol
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The situation would not get better if all virtuous people refused to participate in superheroic combat
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Explictly not how it works; IDK how spoiled you are?
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But the entity behind the powers is specifically fucking with people's heads to get them into interesting fights that force creativity
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true
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i've read through all of worm and most of the sequel
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so nothing is spoilers except the last few chapters of Ward
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I was aiming at KAL there since he was saying a-canonical things as a joke
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RE: Danny, I mostly meant his reaction to "hey dad I'm a seven-foot-tall alien elf now". Which will be hilarious under any circumstances.
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that is what will make him the best character
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Eh, I've read that scene like five times now, it doesn't get better
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wait what
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i agree: wait what
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I have read "Taylor tells danny "hey, I'm a seven-foo-tall alien elf now"" like five times now
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It's not an uncommon thing to happen in worm fanfic
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worm fanfic is weird if that's common
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Look, people do the cross-over alt-power thing a lot
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sdschildberg 03/27/2020 6:06 PM
Also: RIP to the status quo in re to all of taylor’s interpersonal relationships. Many have tried using outside themes to whack Worm into not being depressing apparently
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I can think of two more-or-less literal cases of seven-foot-tall elf (Eldar and and an Adorjan Exaltation that's heavy on the body-mods)
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And being turned into things in the same ball-park as a tech-elf is quite common in general
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And Danny reacting to Taylor getting something OP that says RIP to the status quo of her life is common in nigh on every fic that doesn't kill or ignore him (edited)
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The world contains a lot of wormfic
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And a solid majority of it, I think, is of the format "taylor gets alternate powerset and proceeds to be less depressed than canon"
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less depressed is a good thing
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but we should get more original stuff methinks
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it would be a accomplishment if you managed to write more depressed.
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not a good accomplishment, but a accomplishment.
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It has been done
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I really need to sort all my worm fanfic into it's own folder
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you should probably have a folder of folders
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(a filing cabinet, i guess. except digital.)
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wait, that's a database. kinda.
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I mean my bookmark sorting in general has folders going three to five layers deep
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But currently the only subfolder for the fanfic folder is "didn't finish reading", for works which I don't want to finish but don't want to forget exist either
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sdschildberg 03/27/2020 6:17 PM
Wonder how Amy tends to react in these “Taylor isn’t depressed and also has cool new powers” type fics @Archon (edited)
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Do you want the shipping version or the non-shipping version?
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sdschildberg 03/27/2020 6:19 PM
Both
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It's generally agreed that the fanfic-standard amy is so distant from canon amy that they're functionally different people
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sdschildberg 03/27/2020 6:20 PM
That’s what I was thinking
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This is because anyone with any kind of heart breaks at least one of the many things wrong with her life and generally most of them
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Note: taylor is frequently still depressed at story-start when she's powerful; the story of getting good mental health while powerful is a popular arc
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And a happy story doesn't mean the people in it are without flaw or trauma
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sdschildberg 03/27/2020 6:21 PM
“mentally broken character gets help” is also one of my favorite types of fic
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so wholesome
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It's a common type in one manner or another, though there is also a lot that just radically changes her personality to suit the situation
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Which is fair, considering the extent to which fic meddles with the key moments of her life TBH
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Many flame-wars have been started over amy
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Because honestly there aren't that many good ships in worm, but I am informed (I haven't read canon) that she's an objectively terrible person over there
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 8:17 PM
wait, not using powers drives you nuts?
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There goes my plan to survive wormverse
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:18 PM
they want creativity? set up an arena then
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sdschildberg 03/27/2020 8:19 PM
Perhaps a battle royale
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BluejayHurricane 03/27/2020 8:20 PM
They did
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It’s called Brockton Bay
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OOF
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 8:21 PM
eyyyyy!
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sdschildberg 03/27/2020 8:22 PM
So super battle tropes are enforced?
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 8:22 PM
Wait, I thought shards just nudged people toward using their powers
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I didn't realize they eventually drove you insane if you tried to keep your head above ground
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:23 PM
architecture will evolve to look like a nomadic village, even though they don't move anywhere
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just because they have to rebuild so often
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 8:23 PM
eventually the US government doesn't condemn Brockton Bay
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they just rename it Thunderdome
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Honestly surprised they haven't tried using supers to keep an Endbringer pinned long enough for an ICBM to hit it
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 8:30 PM
no_nukes
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I think it's a rule for spoilers
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or teleport a bomb in or something.
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i don't recall any spoilery reason for no nukes
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:31 PM
if teleportation is on the table, just teleport a tungsten rod 90° retrograde in the Earth's orbit, then catch it again once it's gotten up to a couple kilometers per second and slam it into the target
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couple tens of kilometers per second, maybe
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solar gravity stronk
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powers don't really work off of earth, though
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because of spoilers
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:35 PM
it's only halfway off of earth though
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:D
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i mean, generally the hard cutoff for any power working is within the atmosphere
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maybe near space, but it's never really described in great detail.
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they can't really affect anything outside of that unless it's a mundane effect, like firing a laser into space or throwing a rock really hard or something
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so teleportation is probably off the table, depending on the specifics
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:38 PM
does it work in vacuum chambers?
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:38 PM
'cause there's a big vacuum tower for dropping things
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so just set up a classic Portal perpetual motion machine in there
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that might work, but free teleportation isn't that common either
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Within 6,500km of the center of the Earth
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there was basically... one guy who got really powerful anywhere-portals
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:39 PM
other solution: just, like, leave
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since powers are limited to Earth, you can go away and not have to deal with them anymore
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and a couple people who got strong teleportation, i think. but at one point that guy dies and his death alone notably hampers future endbringer responses
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:40 PM
it's a win-win
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Simurgh shut down the space program
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She psi-blasts anything trying to leave LEO
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:41 PM
if powers don't come with you, you're out of their game
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if powers do come with you, they've signed their own death warrant
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 8:41 PM
@KAL_9000 even drones/probes?
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yes
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 8:41 PM
so no GPS
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any human-made object
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Sorry, not LEO
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Earth's SOI
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 8:42 PM
hm
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moon excluded
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:42 PM
6500km is well within Earth's SOI
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you also can't enter Luna's SOI
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@0111narwhalz I know
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:42 PM
I mean ISS is above 6500km innit
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the simurgh isn't limited to it like supers
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:42 PM
IIRC it's at like 200km ASL
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and there actually was a tinker who tried to colonize the moon
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poor Sphere...
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:43 PM
which would put it at about 6650km or so
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so what you do, is you get super-based first stages on your rockets
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and mundane second stages
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this allows you to improve reusability and increase launch cadence
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powers... really do not like being used for things other than combat.
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:45 PM
it's combat with gravity :V
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 8:45 PM
Is it true that they drive you insane if you consciously try to avoid using them though
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Because that caught me really off-guard
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sorta ish
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by my understanding, it's not so much that they drive you insane as it is, they're plugged into your brain and manipulating you
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you don't want to use powers?
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good luck
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just kill yourself
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 8:46 PM
they manipulate you into situations where you are more and more likely to use them
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then
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easy way out
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also most people don't fully realize the extent of the situation
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if you look at statistics it's pretty clear that powers cause a lot of conflict, but not all that many people do
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Even Sphere’s failed moonbase demonstrates the viability of the Lunar Fuck-You Cannon. (I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of the Lunar Fuck-You Cannon. Nor the involvement of String Theory in its design.)
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 8:47 PM
I already got spoiled on that, man
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 8:48 PM
By what method did Sphere intend to colonize Luna, and how were they dissuaded?
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spoilers follow:
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 8:50 PM
Sphere was in the process of building the colony but then simugh attacked them and, well, did her thing I believe
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Killed his family in a way that drove him bugfuck and created Mannequin.
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Word of God says that even if that hadn’t happened, his shard would have got bored with the lack of conflict and stopped helping him build and maintain the base.
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Sphere was a tinker specializing in partial-automation for building (he could create drones but had to control them manually), which is fairly uncommon, you don't often get tinkers who can build independent machines. In particular, he specialized in building self-contained ecosystems and habitats using his drones and other automation techniques. He planned to use this to end world hunger, build floating cities, and create self-sustaining domes on the moon. Simurgh, who rather likes the status quo, attacked him and shut him down hard by killing his wife and children. So instead he went insane, build a self-contained exosuit for himself, and joined the Slaughterhouse Nine
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poor guy
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sdschildberg 03/27/2020 8:53 PM
Warlock types are useless to worse than useless: superpower edition
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Don’t outsource your power if you don’t completly know what you’re doing
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Sphere's story really is super tragic
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sdschildberg 03/27/2020 8:55 PM
Supercomics tropes, it turns out, ain’t fun when they are enforced by force.
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there are a couple capes woh had a ton of potential like that who got shut down really hard
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Incidentally, as tags note, I am AUing things just an eensy bit, with some influence from Anders Sandberg’s Bulk and Surface . One word: branefuckery.
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sdschildberg 03/27/2020 8:56 PM
Other dimensions are a common enough trope to the genre worm deconstructs that it’s not that noticeable (edited)
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Which is to say, in this particular fusion-AU, the Entities and their Shards are primarily bulk-space entities that cling to the brane-edge. Their access to bulk-space brane manipulation gives them access to theoretically unlimited ontomanipulatory bullshit hax.
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sdschildberg 03/27/2020 9:01 PM
And makes them even more eldritch
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theoretically, if only they weren't also remarkably narrow-minded
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or maybe thankfully, given what they manage to do anyway
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 9:02 PM
if they weren't so narrow-minded, they wouldn't need to be the bastards they are
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if I understand it correctly
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they aren't even sentient
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 9:03 PM
eh that needs a different definition of sentience than I understand
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because they definitely react to stimuli
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sentience is a very ambiguous term
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Yeah, their intellect is as small as their processing power isn’t, hence the need to form symbiotic relationships with brane-space entities to get much of anything in the way of creativity done.
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 9:05 PM
for certain definitions of "symbiotic" I suppose
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sdschildberg 03/27/2020 9:05 PM
Bit like dnd warlock patrons in a way. But even worse on average (edited)
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Of course, these are the entities who decided to use conflict generators to maximize quantity of creativity, even though they point the direction of said creativity exactly away from the problem they supposedly want solved.
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1) Farm creativity
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2) Blow up all possible Earths
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3) Profit?
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very smart entities
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very smart
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big brain
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200 IQ
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seriously though how are you supposed to gain from this
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sdschildberg 03/27/2020 9:20 PM
ooc it’s tropes enforced by pain of death. Possibly doing it as a study
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ontocide as a study
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extremely angry eldrae noises <- probable reaction
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 9:42 PM
did chernobyl happen in wormiverse?
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I forget
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I think something like it happened in France
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I think the Entities arrived in the 90s
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 10:51 PM
Behemoth 1992
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Leviathan 1995? 1996?
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Simugh 2003
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They have my vote.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/27/2020 10:52 PM
I mean that's when they first appeared I believe
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Yes. I joke.
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0111narwhalz 03/27/2020 11:12 PM
Cthulhu 2020?
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COVID ‘20
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BluejayHurricane 03/27/2020 11:22 PM
Only because this is the crossovers channel, Princess Celestia 2020
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Amy-wise: I wouldn't say "objectively horrible" in canon, at least until later canon. Just very, very broken in perfectly normal human ways (dysfunctional family with proximal mental illness, tremendous stress and burnout), plus ongoing unnatural mental influence/addiction, plus a shard that is HALPING. Post-giant-psychotic-break, quite possibly, but before then, no. Just a disaster waiting to happen.
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Actual fic spoiler: As is the proper style from 'verse supervillain comics, we shall attempt to solve this problem through kidnapping, spa bribery, and a generous side order of No Mister Bond I Expect You To Dine.
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ObDanny: I make two notes here: 1. The ontopathics repelled Queen Administrator from one potential trigger event. They didn't destroy her. 2. It should not escape notice just how tremendously useful the Docks and the dockworkers could be as a resource to someone who has the functional equivalent of Tinker Bignum. Especially when you don't have the reproducibility problem.
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Here I Spoil Anti-Endbringer Weapons That Do Not Work, But Not The One Which Does: 1. Spider Legion 2. The Lunar Fuck-You Gun 3. Infinite Bee Recursion
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Now, obviously it's not number one, two sounds like it should work but begs the question on why a Nuke doesn't, 3 has some sort of weird recursion thing so...
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Randomly sort of not really relevant
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/28/2020 8:38 AM
wait that was an actual ship
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Let the ship-shipping commence.
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@BizarroLand ♀ looking at Leet is a good example of what happens if your power is not satisfied with your performance as a conflict-source; the bored power isn't just driving him to use it's power, it's actively trying to kill him so it can move on to someone who is doing the right things (this is an extreme case but powers will fuck with your head big-time and they will co-ordinate with the powers of your enemies to do it) (edited)
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Also: power-shards have "conflict-driven data-collection" as a terminal value even if that terminal value is meant to generate second-order utility for the entities which made them
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But those entities were dumbasses
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And the power-shards aren't optimizing for solving-entropy any more than a paperclip maxmiser is solving for paperclip company stock values
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/28/2020 11:27 AM
yeahhhh
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they didn't have the best idea for how to solve entropy
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Enderminion 03/28/2020 2:30 PM
@BizarroLand ♀ there were several actual USS Taylor's
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Jade Nekotenshi 03/28/2020 2:56 PM
Wickes class DD-94 (1918-1938), Fletcher class DD-468 (1942-1969) and Perry class FFG-50 (1984-2015)
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write faster cerb please (edited)
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I - thank you for asking politely.
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Will attempt so to do, but at the moment 3D printer issues are murdering my productivity in otherbusinesses.
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thank you
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your things provide much-needed levity during these trying times
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Damn right they do!
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Keep doing what you do, you are awesome!
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2020 2:09 PM
Archon may be used to "hey dad im visibly not human anymore" scenes re: Taylor
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but i'm not
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2020 2:10 PM
But for my part I'm very much looking forward to Danny's reaction
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...while it's just hinted at in ch. 2 so far, there is a certain upcoming clash in having a mind that is used to being depressed and a brain that will not agree with it . (edited)
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hopefully Taylor's AI can provide some help
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(i wonder what their name will be)
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Visible confusion
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(By which I mean, even leaving aside that eldrae baseline mood is human hypomania, one of the things that having a brain optimized for rationality and autoscience is that when you have this particular genre of negative thoughts, it keeps reminding you that no, actually, that ain't true. They went to a great deal of trouble in designing the current noetic architecture to make it impossible to lie to yourself without knowing that you're doing it.)
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Plus, changes in other people's reactions, too, because there's a bit of a difference between human confident stride and eldrae confident stride. Like I said, with regard to involuntary reactions, "a swagger even Glory Girl would have found excessive". Not that it'll be entirely a good thing, for all sorts of various reasons - and, for that matter, not reflecting an underlying emotional-cognitive change - but shiny new cerebellum has its own default ideas of how to stand and walk when the higher brain functions aren't overriding it. (That's more or less necessary to avoid falling over a lot, under the circumstances.) And that default idea is one that's going to come across to human kinesics as about a nickel short of "I AM A GOD AMONG INSECTS". (edited)
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sdschildberg 03/30/2020 2:24 PM
This clashes with Taylor’s severe depression in all sorts of interesting ways. It’s enough of a mind thing that some kinda therapy might be the solution
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that's why I was thinking of the AI
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The Transcend definitely programmed them with some sort of therapy abilities
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Yes, I imagine future conversations with Yamada will prove interesting. But first, so much chaos to happen. So. Much.
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Can the muse act as a therapist as well?
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Yamada?
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a notable cape therapist
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not sure when she first shows up but she ends up being a important character
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(Not really a ch. 3 spoiler: the door did literally blow in. Sadly for those waiting on Danny's reaction, that's not him at the door. That's Armsmaster, with some rather unfortunate misconceptions.)
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Shenanigans Ensue
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Who is Armsmaster?
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someone who you Do Not Want To Mess With
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Batman without the money or the social skills
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(And it can, but its ability to do so is limited because of important muse-host relationship constraints.) https://worm.fandom.com/wiki/Armsmaster (canon spoilers abound) Hah! Excellent summation.
Colin Wallis was the leader of the Brockton Bay Protectorate team as Armsmaster. After being critically wounded by the Slaughterhouse Nine, Colin took on the identity of Defiant and worked...
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Or to put it another way, a very good warrior who got peter-principled into managing teenagers
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With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility, Right? (edited)
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There are a lot of fandom takes on his actual personality; he can be portrayed as a glory-hound, an engineer who is genuinly trying (and failing) at the people-management job he has; a civil servant who happens to involve halbards, a massive fucking nerd. He's another person who goes down as unpopular because he tries to prevent the whole "Taylor trying and failing to commit suicide by supervillain" thing, I am given to understand
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I'm taking a little bit from column A, a little bit from column B. (Although he's not going to come off looking good in ch. 3, the reasons aren't really his fault. Unless you count over-relying on technology to compensate for epically bad social skills.)
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Which he is doing because some dumbass put him in charge of a bunch of traumastised dumb-asses and expected him to be able do this as well as he can do "stabbing hookwolf with a heavily customized pointy stick"
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Indeed.
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Hookwolf?
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i could've sworn his name was similar but different, but think of a nazi except their entire body is made of a thousand sharp shifting blades
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Ah, Hookwolf. I eagerly await your death by magnets.
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minor question: she ends up flying back to her house. I'm guessing that's from the eldrae baseline's innate techlekinesis, but the range is long enough for outright above-the-skyscrapers flight?
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No altitude specified. 😄
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i guess i just got the impression of being fairly high up in the air. She'd probably get gawkers, otherwise
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... and now i'm thinking that birdcapewatching is absolutely a hobby in Worm
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Re that: There's a reason Armsmaster arrives on scene relatively quickly.
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i also kinda want to ask what the daze was, but i feel like it's also a trivial detail that's probably mundane (shock at being turned into a alien elf princess, etc)
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and if it's not mundane it's just something like a brief acclimation period to her new brain
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I mean, even by normal trigger standards, this would be one of those that took the whole "secret identity" notion, then nuked it to the ground and salted the earth with delicious cobalt. (And, yeah, severe multifactor shock, in a nutshell.)
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she did sort explode out of a locker
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as far as trigger events go, there aren't a whole lot that can compete
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maybe the infinite explosion guy or something.
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a very interesting explosion, too
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hmm, i wonder how likely Armmaster is to believe her at face value
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on one hand, "i got superpowers from a alien" is a statement that would almost certainly be taken as a... imaginative interpretation of a trigger event
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2020 3:23 PM
It's very weird to me, this notion that Brockton Bay is further north than Boston
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Given the climate and the attention, it very much gives more of a feeling of being in North Carolina or thereabouts
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And a curiously anomalous one. Because the cape right on scene didn't pass out .
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on the other, a cape was on-scene at the moment of the trigger and, depending on how aware of things they were while being eversioned, -
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yeah that
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plus, there are other things that will potentially stick out
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for one, having fancy "tinker tech" literal minutes after her trigger event, after visibly doing nothing but floating home
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2020 3:26 PM
Sophia's memory will be fragmentary and vanish quickly though
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i mean, not in this case
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it's not a trigger event, so it won't
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and the radical physical changes, which are uncommon, and classifying her powerset is going to raise some eyebrows. A tinker/thinker/mover/one-time-changer who also spontaneously generated a otherworldly dress
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2020 3:28 PM
Oh, it's certainly not a standard trigger event
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hmm, yeah you're right, the shards might still try to cover it up anyway, but i'm not sure
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depends on the details of how they try to suppress things; since Queen Administrator didn't attach in the first place, they might not consider it a event, but on the other hand she did still try and the failure might not get relayed to the other shards
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well, wait, actually
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iirc shards don't suppress the memory of the physical trigger event at all, just the visions, and they didn't have any in the first place
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i take it back then, they probably will remember it just fine, discombulation-from-being-inside-a-eversion aside
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sdschildberg 03/30/2020 3:34 PM
Outside of like the shards and the endbringers are aliens a thing in Worm?
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2020 3:34 PM
I don't think so
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@Unknown Endbringers aren't even aliens
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Fucking Eidolon
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sadly no, the source of shards and endbringers and such tends to kill nascent civilizations long before that point
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hey, don't blame Eidolon for his shard taking a vague desire and going way too far with it
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The impression I get from the description of canon!entities arriving from outside the galaxy is that Worm's universe is a sparse-life 'verse. This is probably not the case in this AU, but in any case, no evidence one way or the other has arrived on Earth, Bet or otherwise. Unless you count the Simurgh's unwillingness to let anything leave Earth-local space.
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sdschildberg 03/30/2020 3:38 PM
So “holy crap aliens that we have to care about are real” can be added in
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my impression has been that it's both relatively sparce, and also the entities flying around blowing up technological civilizations has not helped
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well fuck his shard then
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Whose?
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2020 3:39 PM
Eidolon's
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but it's hard to say how much of a problem they are on a galactic scale. It could range from pests that knowledgeable civilizations can repel, to sorta!berserker probes
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also yeah, Eidolons shard has done some bad
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speaking of, what happens if Eidolon dies?
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Although given Myrddin, evidently the Protectorate has a remarkably high tolerance for... unconventional interpretations of trigger events.
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I have no clue what is being talked about here, but I love it.
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Do the Endbringers die? Do they become nice?
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spoilers for what happens if Eidolon dies:
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Is it the end of the world as we know it?
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the Endbringers stick around but become listless, since their entire purpose was to be a challenge for Eidolon. Notably, in the ending, after Eidolon's death, they're actually persuaded to help defeat the big bad who you may or may not know the identity of.
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scion
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zion
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also ye
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whatever
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nice!Enbringers are blursed
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i haven't read the latest parts in the sequel, but apparently Simurgh is involved somehow
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not sure if she's strictly good or bad or what
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On a completely random note:
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who the fuck is that
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(Besides DRACONIA BLAZE, THE SPINE TWISTER)
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2020 3:59 PM
bistro
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sdschildberg 03/30/2020 3:59 PM
Donut Steel
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/30/2020 4:00 PM
windows vista
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Ah, of course, Donut Steel
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of course it's an edgy oc
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sdschildberg 03/30/2020 4:04 PM
Any attempt to figure out any sort of relationship web, be it power in an organization or interpersonal relationships for worm seems to end in disaster
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i have more worm memes
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sdschildberg 03/30/2020 4:20 PM
Is scion like a big bad?
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big spoilers for the nature of powers and stuff the 'entities' are a swarm intelligence composed of many shards. Shards are sophont and have specialized abilities from things the shards/entities have learned in the past. Scion is a collection of (powerful, unfettered) shards hosting the swarm intelligence of the entity, while the rest of the shards have been distributed to humanity on a loose leash, with Scion only assisting with loose coordination and management.
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specifically, Scion as most people know him is sort of like the lure of a angler fish; the rest of him is off on a earth in another dimension and looks rather more like a gigantic blob of flesh and weirdness.
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he's also insane, relatively speaking, for more spoilery reasons
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well, insane with grief.
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Worm: where the hero's depressed, the villains are depressed, and the eldritch flesh monsters from outer space are depressed
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HUG THE UNIVERSE
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FOR THE UNCONQUERED FLAME!
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(seriously tho let the awesome commence)
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Thought: Taylor should show Armsy the Helpful Note™
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(but don't let him take it)
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to help back up the whole "aliens from another dimension" thing
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2020 5:12 AM
"this says the rest is in another language but I'm pretty sure it's just scribbling"
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alternatively "have you been conlanging again? you know that'll make you go blind!"
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narwhalz knows this from personal experience
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2020 5:22 AM
I've conlanged so hard I forgot how to speak English one time
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how did that go?
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0111narwhalz 03/31/2020 5:24 AM
you ever have to think really hard about word order when speaking?
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oof
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sdschildberg 03/31/2020 1:08 PM
Thought: bugs of earth are associated with 1. Trash 2. Unkempt biology 3. Other stuff the eldrae don’t like Taylor’s gonna drop the bug aesthetic (edited)
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that is insulting to insectoid xenosophonts
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many of whom are good friends of the eldrae
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sdschildberg 03/31/2020 1:09 PM
Besides, v!taylor will be too busy with an art deco, 1930s SF strip aesthetic
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Who or what is crashing through eldra!taylor’s door?
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Wait nvm
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Looked back
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It’s Armsmaster
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Would eldrae PK be a shaker power?
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technically, i'd say it's mover, shaker, blaster, and maybe even brute?
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BluejayHurricane 04/05/2020 7:41 PM
And half a master, against unprotected targets. Forced limb to
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Tk
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it's got plenty of potential for improving mobility, so mover fits. It can be AoE, so its shaker. It's got both ranged and offensive potential, so blaster too, and at it's core it's sorta strength so brute.
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maybe Master 1 too, yeah
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Not to mention Tinker/Thinker(?)
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Xenotech and the Advisor.
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oh yeah, arguably she has something from just about every category
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but her techlekinesis is those 3-5 categories
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Except Breaker.
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And maybe Stranger?
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sdschildberg 04/05/2020 7:50 PM
What’s Breaker?
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shifting states
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like you turn into a tornado or something
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Would any of her abilities fit the Trump category?
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well currently, she's missing a few categories, but essentially her tinker ability will eventually let her mimic all of the others
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Even Breaker?
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i mean, if a shard can do it, she could do it eventually
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"do that, but better" is a eldrae motto (edited)
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Would (hypothetical) Mature Ontotech be a Trump power? (edited)
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I mean I suppose it depends on how it is manifested and used.
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"Hi! It seems you had a giant Brane Barnacle attached to you, driving you insane. I've excised it for you, you're welcome!"
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That's sort of the end goal, really.
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either that or subverting the shards and making them less of a bastard
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I mean, Large (Continent+) Scale Time/Space/Reality Warping would be seriously Overpowered.
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that's sort of what more mature ontotech would look like, i suppose
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Better question: Could aforementioned Mature Ontotechnology be used to one-shot literally anything via excising it from existence?
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well, anything not also protected by Mature Ontotechnology
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The ability to MegaNope™ literally anything out of existence has got to have serious clout. But would Scion be protected?
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Or would said Mature Ontotechnology be another one of his powers?
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well, Scion is stupid
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but Scion also has mostly mature ontotech
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with a specific focus on conflict, because of the stupid
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so perhaps not
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So it’s a test of whose Kung Fu (read Ontotechnology) is better than the other’s Kung Fu? (edited)
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yes, i would think
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though also, available infrastructure is a factor
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sdschildberg 04/05/2020 8:03 PM
Who can break reality more?
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as is the fact that while E!Taylor has the distilled accomplishments of the eldrae at her fingers, there is a grand total of one of her
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Or is there?
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okay, correction
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Could she clone herself?
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sdschildberg 04/05/2020 8:04 PM
What can one soph do? Unless she creates an autowar army or something else isomorphic to “take over the world”
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there is however many of her she wants, but just cloning yourself can't make you a good substitute for the innovative power of a mature space age civilization composed of trillions of sophs
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her tinker power, right now at least, is based around already-existing technology and designs. While she's not stupid, she probably isn't going to be able to invent mature ontotech by herself, so she's limited to whatever the Empire had at the time
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(which is substantially more mature ontotech, to be sure, since they managed to get between universes at all. But if it was good enough that they could just universe skip as easily as a trip down to the chemist and solve the problem, they would've just done that in all likelyhood.)
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This a millennium ahead of current’verse.
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personally i'd figure that "defeat the Entities through a combination of comparable technology and the virtue of being not stupid." is on the table
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sdschildberg 04/05/2020 8:08 PM
Or get them to change
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but "reverse engineer their powerful but poorly-used tools from their corpses and advance the theories of ontotech at the same time" is probably not
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"reprogram them so they're less stupid and malicious" is probably the best-of-both-worlds path
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The bigger question is, if push comes to shove, could the Transcend, and by extension the Empire, intervene if it is necessary to preserve the Empire?
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that's a good question, yes.
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the Transcend rather likes to be lazy efficient, so their intervention is less "maximum possible" as it is "minimum necessary"
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but there's no telling what the actual maximum is
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traveling between universes would be, as a upper bound, substantially more difficult than interstellar travel i expect
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because otherwise the problem would get solved more quickly by virtue of adventurers seeing a problem and proceeding to adventure. While the Transcend might prefer efficiency, that doesn't mean plenty of other sophs wouldn't show up to help if it was as easy as traveling to the outer systems (edited)
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sdschildberg 04/05/2020 8:14 PM
And to think in terms of superpower tropes: where there’s one alien super, there’s usually several more coming
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aye, and i don't think there's much else the Transcend could offer as a 'supply drop' than more sophs to help out
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sdschildberg 04/05/2020 8:16 PM
Sophs, and ships (edited)
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there's already a comprehensive archive on site, and given current demonstrated capabilities (taking a few dozen kilos out of the universe, modifying them and adding a few more kilos, and then putting them back), they couldn't sent through all that much more than what could be produced on-site
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a ship would be a few orders of magnitude of a step up, as far as mass goes.
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well, i suppose that assumes mass is the limiting factor
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maybe if there are some very tricky ontotech doohickeys that are very hard to manufacture, it'd be worthwhile to send thme
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but other than that, i'd think the best thing to do would be to drop in a prepared team in the form of a box of metaphorical hard drives of mindstates
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How would eldra!taylor access/use said mindstates? (edited)
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well, if it's a supply drop for Taylor, she'd handle it
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Print bodies for the team at her end?
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Okay.
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I mean, ideally, you could use the shipwrecks from the Docks for feedstock and build some sort of orbital launcher.
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Not sure how you’d distract Simurgh long enough to get a package of nanites to a suitable asteroid and bootstrap a fleet, though.
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could Simurgh do much to a asteroid mining op?
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she comes from a shard too, so she's mostly earthbound
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Use String Theory’s F-Gun to launch it?
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maybe, actually
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Or something similar.
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Alternatively, teleportation.
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yeah, that'd work, i'm just trying to think if that's in the realm of stuff you could feasibly counter
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Teleportation, probably not.
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teleportation would be a good choice so long as there's a form of teleportation that fits
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on earth, teleportation that needs infrastructure at both ends is still usable as 'free' teleportation in some cases, because the shard can be at both ends
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but Simurgh would have to use teleportation that doesn't need a receiver of any sort
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I meant like Doormaker.
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yeah, but do we know his limitations as far as that goes?
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i can't recall him ever making a portal that goes anywhere outside of a atmosphere
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He can go between dimensions. Putting something into the Asteroid Belt should be small potatoes.
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but that's the Shard's shtick. They're all off in different dimensions sitting on empty alternate earths, reaching through dimensions to anchor themselves to people's brains and do power-y stuff. A bunch of powers works directly off of bringing stuff from other dimensions or otherwise moving matter between them; IIRC that's how a lot of matter 'creation' actually works.
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Oh... Right. I done a stupid.
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nah its fine
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So the Mass Driver approach is still probably the best option?
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that or any other sort of tinkertech weapon, probably
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though, now that i think about it, that might be difficult for the Simurgh to achieve
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She'd have to break String Theory out and control her into making the weapon; IIRC Simurgh, despite being strong and powerful, doesn't have any sort of 'administrator access' that would let her just co-op String Theory's shard
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I was talking about circumventing the Simurgh’s blockade of Earth, not the other way around.
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oh wow yeah i completely misread that, sorry
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yeah the gun would work well for launching
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i dunno, could Simurgh actually stop the equivalent of a Imperial AKV with a nanotech payload? Those things are rather more sprightly than a chemical rocket
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she sort of just... throws stuff, right? Throws it, or grabs it if she's in telekinetic range
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or uses tinker tech if she has it available.
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but that relies a lot on her foresight, and WoG is that doesn't work so well with the whole free-will thing unless there's a shard behind it oppressing it, so between that and being military hardware specifically designed for dodging while trying to reach a target...
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(granted, they aren't designed to work in a atmosphere or function as a launch vehicle)
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sdschildberg 04/05/2020 8:53 PM
An imperial military GTS missile bus might work
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oh, good idea
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easier than making a whole AKV, and it's probably designed for multiple launches so you could launch a entire swarm to make interception even harder
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sdschildberg 04/05/2020 8:56 PM
Stocked with factory replicator kits
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actually, that tactic might work well as a distraction too
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the Simurgh can't be in two places, so next time she assaults a city, force her to choose between stopping the missiles and continuing the assault
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sdschildberg 04/05/2020 8:57 PM
invader taylor
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/05/2020 9:08 PM
Wildbow has said in a vs. thread himself that an attack that destroys a planetary surface can take down an Endbringer
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i mean, we do kind of know how hard it is to kill a shard
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nicoll-dyson time
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/05/2020 9:13 PM
the dang core tho
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in the end battle, Scion, who's basically a group of shards, ends up dying to a energy weapon (i think it was from String Theory?) which directly hit his real body. From other entities, which we can guess are on the large side as far as shards go because they have multiple strong powers, a shard is basically big-room-sized and isn't especially durable (edited)
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notably, Eden dies after she's stabbed by a knife, albeit with Contessa's power to guide it.
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whole entities, on the other hand, are very large by virtue of being composed of a damned lot of shards. Literally "planet dwarfing"
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though it's not set in stone, every so often i remember a detail that shifts things one way or the other
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trying to pin down a size for various pieces of a aggregate intelligence is not the easiest of tasks, i guess
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I really need to read what's been posted on the sequel so far, i've heard Simurgh comes into play in a big way so maybe we'd learn more about what the endbringers are, like if they're actually whole shards or just part of it with the rest properly in another dimension
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/05/2020 9:35 PM
all I know about Ward is
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there are Titans and Victoria is the protagonist
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i read up to the point where one of titans emerged, and not much further. Don't know a lot about them
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On the question of guessing PRT ratings, at least once they have a chance to figure stuff out a bit, but before Exponential Escalation takes hold: Blaster 3 (techlekinesis applied to moving electrons; i.e., lightning) Brute 4 (she's got the mil-spec basic package, but that's pretty much concentrated on durability and regen, not strength) Master 5 (neural laces multitask and remote-control like whoa) Mover 2 (techlekinetic low-altitude flight, plus double-jumping and all those hax) Thinker 6 (smrt) Tinker HOLY FUCK
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Fully mature ontotechnology is "Shaker 15+/Trump 15+", which is another way of saying "God". No-one's gonna have that, because it turns all stories into "I decided that everything would be perfect forever. It was. THE END." 😋
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/07/2020 12:38 AM
Eddie Torres was estimated as Mover 1, Brute 3 by a friend of mine (edited)
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And, yes, said mature ontotech can be used to deny things strongly enough that they never existed. Omnipotence is fun that way. As for what one soph can do... well, there's this thing called the Magic of Friendship Technology of Synergy. ...also, the Transcend is really smug about its ability to be the pebble with the deciding vote. Somewhere in a Cirys swarm far away, an efficiency submind is complaining that that was actually a really extravagant care package and it could have managed with, ooh, a quarter of the mass-energy budget, maybe less. (A kindness submind points out that that's why they don't let the efficiency submind do the operation planning on its own.)
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the highest rated tinker in the entire series was a tinker 15 who (minor spoilers for the Worm sequel) built a giant tower that was designed to shoot a entire planet's atmosphere into space for... something. Possibly to shoot down a entity or such, but the shard behind it was a little crazy and the poor tinker who got that shard didn't have a say in the matter. It was moderately Von Neumann, but a large part of the hardware was built directly by the shard-host and some of the more advanced materials were directly extruded from their body, as opposed to properly manufacturing either of those in a scalable fashion.
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Taylor comes in above that
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So a non numerical ranking, right next to Contessa's "Thinker Don't Ask Just Run", is well deserved
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WRT to space, incidentally, inasmuch as the Lunar Fuck-You Gun will be a thing, relevant work-canon here is the Simurgh has, among other function, the job of keeping humanity limited to Earths, as that's where the shards can touch; so while manned space flight is going to get shot down, she doesn't interdict all the commsats, say. If you have a way to precog-shield whatever non-sophont payload you're going to launch - to make sure its aura of THIS HURTS YOU doesn't reach her - you can sneak one past her.
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This, incidentally, is my fanon for how Sphere got the Simurgh's attention in the worst way. Just dropping stuff on Luna wasn't a problem. Dropping stuff on Luna that was going to be a moonbase in the future (i.e., presenting the possibility of humans outside the shard-zone), that's a problem big enough to rate her personal attention.
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isn't a soph one of the better ways to fuck with pre-cog? Namely a soph with influence who doesn't have a shard-suppressed volition and has proper firewalls?
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As another note, in this AU, while there are multiple parallel Earths - which is not the normal for even that universe; meeting that shard will be interesting - they're not used to house shards. The shards, in this interpretation, are symbiotes that live along the brane-edge and not physical entities as such, 'cause I like that interpretation much better than really oversized, poorly optimized computing devices.
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that's fair, having shards that lamely sit somewhere like a blob of eldritch is boring and turns the best solution into "reverse engineer dimension-hopping and then drop a nuke on it"
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This is also, in this AU, why it takes/would have taken, assuming no intervention, Flechette's power to kill Scion, because it's the shard designed as an inter-entity weapon, and as such can manage tricks like "hitting all possible versions of/all points on the quantum probability curve of an object simultaneously" and "firing at right angles to reality". You could blast away at Scion all you wanted with conventional mass-energy weapons, and it wouldn't do anything, 'cause you can't hit the symbiote/shard/core; only it's mass-puppet in four-space.
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makes sense; it's notoriously difficult to punch trengthward.
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(though, as a superpower, "completely normal punches except in the fourth dimension" sounds pretty cool)
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Does E!Taylor have a Transcend seed?
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either a active one in her head, or inactive one in her Tech and Other Useful Stuff archive (which is also in her head, i suppose.)
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i was thinking something along the lines of "if a Tinker 15 builts a giant atmosphere shooty tower, what does a Tinker HOLY FUCK do?" "Build a Cirys Swarm, duh." Except that's really more of the Transcend's/weakly godlikes shtick, and she's probably not going to build a God. That's the sort of thing you leave to a group of professionals, preferably with a century or two to work out the kinks. But nothing says that she can't wake up a copy of the Transcend... (edited)
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(of course, that would rather derail the story a bit. Perhaps something to save until after the planet is saved)
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0111narwhalz 04/07/2020 5:23 AM
Presumably the upgrade included both the presence of mind to recognize the hazard of attempting god-making, and several historic records of how poorly it can go.
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exactly
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0111narwhalz 04/07/2020 5:23 AM
(not to mention that she's lived under the thumb of such a perversion)
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Morgrim Moon 04/07/2020 5:33 AM
Yeah, she can't bootstrap her way to a position where the outcome would be better than a coin toss
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sdschildberg 04/07/2020 8:34 AM
Wouldn’t getting a flechette pistol raise the blaster rating a bit?
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I don't think tech widgets count towards any rating except tinker, IIRC. Except maybe implanted ones, but that might be fanon.
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This is a common fanon conflict; many people say tinker ought to be a sufficient general-purpose warning that they could have whatever, and the shard-oriented theory of of power categories (I.e. the theory which says that power categories are terms in which shards think, which does have WOG support AFAIK), vs. many people saying that the purpose of power ratings as an administrative tool is to give at-a-glance sense of the power-set of a parahuman and what tactics need to be used to counter them , and thus it's essentially vital to record (either as main stats or as sub-ratings of tinker), the effective ratings granted by a given para-human's main forms of tinker-tech, so as to facilitate actually engaging with them on a tatical level
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The tinker with a backpack full of weirdo bombs and the tinker who built a portal gun present rather different threat profiles, yeah
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the key thing about tinker ratings is not a lot stops them trading widgets, so any given tinker might have a new toy, so stay frosty and keep alert
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sdschildberg 04/07/2020 5:19 PM
They can also switch sets of widgets between engagmetns But the commonly used ones can be recorded
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so it becomes "We know for a fact they have these kinds of gear, and who knows whatelse might make a showing" (edited)
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sdschildberg 04/07/2020 5:21 PM
In E!taylors case, independent combat bots, micro/nanoswarms, and probably a spacegun or two (edited)
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ah, good to know she still fights battles like she's in an RTS
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sdschildberg 04/07/2020 5:22 PM
Some things never chanfe
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Tinkers gear-swapping is technically possible but highly unusual; most orgs don't have the size to sustain it and tinkers can't trivially work on each other's gear they just have better odds than the rest of us?
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And they tend to have pretty hard-coded themeing; we remember dragon and armsmaster but there's a reason that they're the best tinkers in the game
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And part of that is "they can make tools to solve specific problems with unusual versatility"
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Compared to the person who is suck with only stuff with pre-designated hard-coded timers , or only nano-goo, or only dimensional pockets, they can do a lot
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sdschildberg 04/07/2020 5:40 PM
Which is the real reason Taylor’s score is “yes”
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Eh, not really; it's important to remember that threat-ratings are tactical warnings not measures of potential
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A late-game taylor with a strong tech-base and a lot of infrastructure is functionally unbeatable, but that's basically just saying "once she's won, she's won"; she's still constrained by the dance of atoms and common sense , by the sheer limits of mass and power, in a manner that makes her not even really an s-class until she has a lot more momentum and infrastructure than I expect she can realistically get without being pretty visible for a decently long period of time; I'd contently rate her at the 9-11 range; powerful and a massive threat, but by no means chart-breaking
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Speaking of which; I think that actually you've underrated her pretty massively as a mover; any flight at all probably warrants something in the 5-6 area, since we're getting out of the point where normal PRT members can even seriously consider hindering her in terms of mobility; standard normie tactics for dealing with flyers are shoot them, net them, foam them, and the self-same telekinesis she's using to fly mitigates that kind of plan substantially? I"m assuming "low-altitude flight" here as >5m, such that you're capable of pretty much no-selling anything which depends on melee; that power alone means capturing her requires very good tactics or or specialized parahumans
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Also; her master rating comes under the same category as the gun-based blaster power; it's dependent on her access to combat-ready drones to function in the sense of a master rather than a thinker; while such hypothetically exists without the aid of her power in practice they're so unheard of in street-level combat that having them at all is a tinker power
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sdschildberg 04/07/2020 6:01 PM
Neuralace and whatnot being just the controls to tinker powers in combat. Now rolling out memetics would actually be master behavior, but is probably too hard on the will of others (edited)
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The main reason I decided on "Tinker: Holy Fuck" is the one thing she can do that canon tinkers can't: understand exactly how everything works , which includes the ability to teach other people how everything works and how to build more of it. That's even more powerful than self-replication, because those people now have their own understanding of it that they can build on, or pass along themselves. tl;dr Armsmaster can build a nanothorn warhead; Dragon can examine it and build many nanothorn warheads; but e!Taylor can give someone a masters in nanoengineering and turn them loose to found Nanothorn Industries, Inc., producers of ridiculously lethal weaponry in many convenient form factors and assorted spin-off products. (edited)
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sdschildberg 04/07/2020 8:10 PM
Is sphere corrupted yet?
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That's what really makes her chart-breaking: from the PRT's perspective, she can turn people into self-replicating tinkers . Using nothing but words and a whiteboard.
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sdschildberg 04/07/2020 8:12 PM
Raising an army of new supers We finally have a cape name: warmind
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Her entire schtick, from her warbots to her attempts at getting a package off earth to why her self replicating tech is so terrifying revolves around building a force
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Holy Shit! You’re right!
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How is that categorically more dangerous than, say, Teacher, or even Crane the Harmonious? (who, to be fair, are amongst the most dangerous non-natural-disaster parahumans in the setting)
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Two words: Power Armour.
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Also - as Panacea worries about being compared to Nilbog, presumably Taylor will have to worry about being compared to them
11:18
It's not like Teacher doesn't have minions in power armor
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Yeah... That’s gonna suck.
11:18
Like, Eldraeic Power Armour.
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But also part of my point here is - I think you're radically underestimating the ease with which you can train new engineers in a totally new construction methods
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Or nanoburn.
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Esp ones designed by people with heavy mind-enhancements
11:19
It's ease to give someone Power Armor with a nice UI, but any tinker can do that
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Nanoburn would fuck up just about anyone w/o significantly improved durability.
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 11:20 AM
What, did the Transcend not include cutting-edge baseline pedagogy in their bootstrap package?
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Um, Gnostic Overlays could help with that.
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 11:20 AM
Only once the target is no longer baseline.
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Then make them no longer baseline!
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There are functional limits on what mundane teaching can do, I suspect, that are very strict
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 11:21 AM
You need to rebrain them to do that :V
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Esp since any optimizations beyond "mundane good schools" are going to be so dependent on specific psychological quirks that they won't transfer between species
11:22
Then make them no longer baseline!
Now you're Nilbog and Teacher at the same time
11:22
You'd honestly get shit done faster keeping the secrets to yourself
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And pretending to be the next coming of dragon
11:23
Until you had a lot of good PR
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And by a lot I mean "Your neo-guild is now the main hero org in the US" good PR
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 11:25 AM
Taylor also has a memetic engineering package in her archive, I do believe.
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Also re: Optimised Pedagogy - this was literally Crane's power, and she was such a shit with it she got birdcaged?
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 11:25 AM
So… good PR?
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I was referring to quantity of good PR, not difficulty of obtaining it, to be fair
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Well, Teacher can make conventional tinkers (who still don't understand what they do), at the cost of crippling their faculties with his loyalty-fu. That's not as potent as being able to stick "My First Nanomachines: Little Rascals for Little Rascals" or "Dr. Faust's Guide to Genetic Mutants You Can Make At Home" up on t'interwebs and expect results. (Not that that's what you'd call efficient pedagogy, but the thing is that it is possible .)
11:30
(Nor is either of those likely to happen, either. Is just an example.)
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Sidenote: Those title names are gold
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Also, it's pretty certain that it won't be very long before people are screaming "S-class threat!", so I am absolutely on-board with the need to be an S-class threat with really good PR .
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Speaking of S-Class threats: What the hell was The Sleeper anyway?
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See my main point is that making genetic mutants at home is something that you genuinely can't do with all the genetic engineering textbooks in the world; that knowledge is dependent on a context of technologies, prerequisite knowledge, logistical and engineering considerations; from the perspective of a PRT threat-rating this context adds, at most "Shrug, I guess we should up her thinker rating a few notches"; it doesn't transcend thier ability to describe her as a tinker-class threat
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That's the point of the Sleeper
11:34
People were complaining about having total bone-deep knowledge of every random worldbuilding detail, so wildbow was experimenting with more mysterious elements
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I can't remember; have I described the Panpraxis at some time in the past?
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The name doesn’t ring any bells...
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I'm not familiar, no
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I don’t think so, no.
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Short version is that it's an encyclopedia of practical engineering/colony design library complete with helpful expert systems working out the Path to That Thing You Want, primarily intended for use in survival situations where what you need is a communications laser that can reach the local stargate relay, and what you have is a rock.
11:40
Inspired by something I remember from A Fire Upon the Deep , ISTR, but essentially it works out a big ol' project plan for you, complete with helpful descriptions of how to perform each step, even when it comes to things like "make charcoal; find some rocks that look like this and behave like that; test them in these ways; etc., etc."
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Morgrim Moon 04/09/2020 11:40 AM
...you know I would probably have too much fun going camping somewhere with that and seeing "okay, so this week's project is seeing if I can get to [x]..."
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So, copy the Panpraxis to the World Wide Web, and let human curiosity do the rest?
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That sounds like a tremendously useful device; I still wonder how long you'd have to use it before you could do any of that work without constant direction by it, though? Especially for anything more complicated than, like, late-20th century tech
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 11:41 AM
it's like Wikipedia, but full of practical engineering
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That's not something that she's going to put out there on its own, because it's ridiculously dangerous in the wrong hands or even many of the right hands. But if she thinks that a detailed plan to let people grow spider-silk skin weaves using only common household ingredients is something the world should have, it's something that can provide a detailed set of baseline-friendly step-by-step instructions for how to get there from here.
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 11:42 AM
step 1. buy a couple terabytes of hard drives step 2. type step 3. you aren't done typing
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Well, it's intended for use by people who don't have access to the skillsets they'd otherwise need.
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I guess part of my complaint here is "modern engineering is still five worlds of black-boxing and wider than any human could learn in three lifetimes; the only pragmatic advantages over tinkering it has is when it's implemented on the scale of a civilization"
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black-boxing?
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 11:46 AM
"it works and you don't need to know why"
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Turning the result of a complex engineering project into a simple black box with nice input and nice outputs and describable behaviour, such that it can be used without any understanding of the (very complex) internal mechanics
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Morgrim Moon 04/09/2020 11:46 AM
given most modern tech fits in that bracket...
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For example - simple modern transistors
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Are used as the basis of logic gates and by extension basically all modern computer hardware
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And are, for those purposes, modelable as logic gates
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But actually understanding them is a bitch and a half
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I say as someone currently studying them...
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To an extent, yes. Things likely to go out for wide deployment will, of necessity, be very retro indeed by Imperial standards. But on the other hand, producing devices that can be used and maintained line-replaceable-unit style won't be a problem. And within her eventual organization, there's nothing to stop her from bringing on the tachydidactics and zapping knowledge into people the fast way. Apart from having to cover it up to avoid looking like the next coming of Teacher, I suppose.
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sdschildberg 04/09/2020 11:49 AM
“I’m an alien building an army” is awful for PR
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Like I said; I think maintaining a very good rep and pretending to be the next Dragon (who already has very line-replaceable, user-maintainable gear) would be the best angle
11:49
Then you can lean into the upgrades with a well-rehersed PR campaign
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Rather than tanking a PR-offensive from the PRT when some random thinking figures out what you're doing
11:52
Trying to be exceptional but within the existing paradigm works better, I think; Taylor's not such an OCP that she can crush even the local powers without a lot of leadup (edited)
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On the other hand, "Technically, yes, I'm an S-class threat with my army of presumably self-replicating warbots, but on the other hand, my army of presumably self-replicating warbots only came out to help fight Leviathan and then left peacefully. Have fun explaining why you don't want their help next Endbringer attack." Better yet, the army of presumably self-replicating warbots is helping with the cleanup, rescuing survivors, providing supplies and medical care, and one of them rescuing a small girl's kitten from a tree in the middle of a flooded park has 10 million hits on YouTube. Your move, adverse PR guys.
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The problem really hits there when you only have 1-10 self-replicating warbots
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 11:54 AM
You have to maintain enough wiggle room until you reach that point.
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I wonder... Could Miss Militia manifest Eldrae weapons if she was given one to study?
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/09/2020 11:55 AM
Don't think so
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 11:55 AM
After the demonstration of your warbots' capacity to self-replicate, you might not have a chance to demonstrate your intent to be a good person :V
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Yeah...
11:55
Scion smash?
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 11:55 AM
So you'd better demonstrate your intent to be a good person first
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(To be fair, it's pretty clear from the comparison of our chosen starting conditions, that I'm much more interested in the lead-up logistics and you're more interested in the end-game slapdown, I think)
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What narwhalz said
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Yeah. That's where you start out with the secrecy. But when you have to break the secrecy, you should go big. The kind of big where your adversaries more or less have to put up with you or look like idiots. Like, say, Endbringer attacks, where in the aftermath you have the chance to point out to your press conference that of course they're self-replicating, because how else can you get enough of them to make a meaningful, lifesaving difference against an Endbringer? And, yes, you understand the reasoning behind the PRT's concern for such things, but it's a bad policy that would have got a shit-ton of people killed had you gone along with it. So sorry.
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In the early stages, of course, the best plan is the much simpler "hide things well and don't tell anyone".
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 11:59 AM
Don't make warbots until after you have the logistics to suddenly have tons of warbots.
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I mean, this is your first try at an anti-Endbringer weapon. Not only does no-one need to know about it before you need to use it on one, but no-one should know about it in case things go very wrong indeed.
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:00 PM
and certainly no one should know it was you :V
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until after it works
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Morgrim Moon 04/09/2020 12:01 PM
maybe let people see you with ONE warbot, that is clearly branded or something, so that when they see many they go "aha that is Taylors" and not "oh god what ELSE is happening?"
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Before then, it's much better to misdirect. Keep everyone's attention on the wildly-eccentric maybe-or-maybe-not-case-53 rogue who's playing both sides of the fence and keeps leaving gifts in front of the PRT building in large bright fuchsia boxes with a ribbon on top.
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I have several objections to this, but first and most vital is - hiding things well is one of the hardest things for a tinker to do; the kind of "A random suburban household suddenly starts taking in industrial resources like it's a factory" is explicitly called out as something factions are looking for in order to get valuable tinker recruits?
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:02 PM
ah, just mask yourself as a mediocre tinker
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biotag your gizmos so that they only work with you
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or whatever
12:02
shovel out loads of garbage as chaff
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Pretending to be a mediocre tinker with enough other powers to keep up is a viable strat, but again; the deception is fundamentally hostile
12:03
The closer you play to type and the less you lie, the less material your enemy thinkers have to throw at you
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In this particular case, it's more going to be "Why is the Boat Graveyard shrinking?"
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(And as a walking precog-blind-spot who intends to change the world? You bet they're watching)
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(Not necessarily a complete precog blind spot; still working on that.)
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:04 PM
mediocre gizmos that have this bizarre gadget at their core, which when it receives the signal becomes a bootstrap seed
12:05
disperse them throughout all the local landfills
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"Why is the boat graveyard shrinking" is not the kind of question people will ignore, I think
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:05 PM
garbage dump gets a little warm under the surface, no other visible change
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Why bother with vast subterfuge if you're on people's side? We know the answer, but joe american doesn't
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:06 PM
then explodes into spiderbots or whatever
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Oh, they won't. But it's a long way between that and making all the necessary connections. To a certain extent, I'm playing by one of the themes I have for the ISS, which is the way that they constantly irritate other intelligence agencies by playing by James Bond rules in a universe that ought to run by le Carré rules. Which is to say: flamboyant misdirection .
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:08 PM
(like—is anyone roaming the refuse piles looking for mycelium?)
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because I think we can get nanologicals built before attracting "bulk material import" suspicion
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That depends a lot on the precise manufacturing capabilities of taylors native powers
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But also - general-purpose lookout thinkers still exist; hell, the Simurgh still exists
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:10 PM
also, if we really want to play the bug thing straight, we can have literal ant-bots sourcing resources from all over the place in discreet quantities
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The sort of thing that makes the PRT dismiss connections between her and those events in the same way as they would dismiss the idea that Mouse Protector has been secretly behind Cauldron, the Elite, and the Bavarian Illuminati all along.
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:10 PM
ah yes, the old "make the truth so outrageous that anyone who hears it thinks you're lying"
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That's a plausible narrative, it just seems less effective to me than just being non-mind-breaking-ly honest
12:11
keeping your capacity at 10% above what they think is sensible and revealing old capacities as new capacities when they fit into the campaign
12:13
You end up fighting a lot of people earlier, but you can still run rings around orgs on an institutional level and you don't waste energy on subterfuge that mostly exists to make you look cooler
12:15
(And honestly Taylor was going to beat those guys up as an affront to civility from square one) (edited)
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:16 PM
waste effort make you look cooler
I think you may have misunderstood something here
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It's honestly pretty much the same plan except with the words "troll them" crossed out and replaced with "troll them while pretending to be a legitimate businesswoman" though
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(I mean, thinkers are known for occasionally going off down rabbit holes of bad conclusions when given insufficient or subtly wrong data. I'm picturing Watchdog's thinkers declaring that they have a Case Mauve, Nine, Aargh My Head, dammit, right there , and whoever sorts their output not believing a word of it.) Well, regarding that: On the former, apart from being about to have a bad experience with the official heroes and no particular way to maintain a secret identity at this point, both this Taylor and her advisor are pretty confident that not only will working within the system not work, but that the system will actively try and stop her from making a difference.
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On the latter: she's getting advice from a machine well-read in the Eldrae Book of Adventuring, which is all about the "if you're going to save the world, make sure you do it in style!" theme. Magnificently complex plans with spandrels that exist for no purpose other than dazzling bystanders with performative awesomeness are pretty much exactly how things are supposed to be done, by that book.
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:24 PM
(of course, such shinies should not compromise mission readiness—that's also an eldrae thing)
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(just have to be awesome enough for both, you see)
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I personally am pretty much of the opinion that if you're awesome enough for both then you should be taking harder missions
12:26
(Like, looking cool has value, esp from a doylist perspective) (edited)
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:26 PM
It's a question of margins.
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At a certain point, you're doing all this already, and looking cool won't cost you that much more.
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To an extent, at home, they're often part of mission readiness. One of the "problems" of a free society is that if you want to lead, you have to persuade people to follow you, and part of that is the aesthetics of things. You have to successfully and simultaneously hit all the notes of be good, do good, and look good. (edited)
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One might wonder is "Crazy rogue" is actually the best aesthetic for that; it might lead eldrae well, but does it lead the PRT?
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:29 PM
hmm, leverage human peer-norming… :V
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sdschildberg 04/09/2020 12:30 PM
Get on the mad scientist (in a junkyard) grind, from a human supers perspective (edited)
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Almost certainly not, nor the Wards (except maybe Clockblocker), nor the Protectorate (except probably Assault), but they're not/that's not really the target(s) of Phase I. At least not until the big reveal at the end that's all "Behold, The Brilliance of My Cunning Master Plan That Saved Much Of The City".
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As a secondary concern
12:34
How much of your plan here is on the assumption that leviathan is going to attack Brockton Bay?
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Like, what's the game-plan if he (counterfactually) doesn't?
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(Sorry to change the topic; specific response is - aren't the heros or villains (and associated non-parahuman associates) your main targets when it comes to PR manipulations? )
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Though it could be a really cool angle of the fic to have cauldron go "Okay actually that's a PR plan that's basically aligned with out own long-game PR plan, we'll let it slide"
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sdschildberg 04/09/2020 12:38 PM
“She’s weird and a loose cannon, but her PR and a chunk of her end goals align with ours so we leave each other alone”
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And if Contessa works on her, she's not that much of a loose cannon
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sdschildberg 04/09/2020 12:39 PM
“Enemy of my enemy” translates across species
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:40 PM
"The enemy of my enemy is a potentially lucrative business partner."
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It's mostly probabilistic: Brockton Bay is overdue to be hit by something (especially once conflict intensifies), and given that it's coastal and has an aquifer, if it's an Endbringer, it's most likely to be Leviathan. But in accordance with that "all paths lead to victory" maxim, the overall plan will have sub-paths in it for "Different Endbringer attacks", "Endbringer attacks somewhere else; need to transport forces to hero there instead", "Slaughterhouse Nine come to town instead", and so forth, all the way down to "Things to do while waiting around being bored, like picking off the Merchants".
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(Not that pantsing Skidmark and hanging him in wedgie position from the PRT's flagpole wouldn't be fun, but it is, shall we say, non-core.)
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Morgrim Moon 04/09/2020 12:48 PM
and arguably, "okay I can't fight an Endbringer but I'm pretty sure I can teleport a whole team there!" is the kinda thing that wouldn't be too outlandish for a Tinker AND buys you some good credit with the hero organisations? Because yes, that's a potent ability... but it's one that requires other more dangerous people to take advantage of
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/09/2020 12:48 PM
Or, as I proposed once, a supersonic jet
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Morgrim Moon 04/09/2020 12:48 PM
(then later the robots and much 'oh, crap' age)
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/09/2020 12:48 PM
An SR-71 once crossed the atlantic in less than three hours
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:49 PM
intercontinental ballistic hero-missile
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A dropship, of sorts, but that might be stepping on Dragon’s toes a bit.
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(Well, the thing to bear in mind is that the first half of Phase I is all pretty much emergency pantsing, not very well planned. Taylor's not exactly had a chance to plan anything yet, and is not going to have time to do so imminently. Her most obvious problem, apart from somewhere to hide out, amounts to Space Elf Needs Resources Badly. So PR-wise, while solving that problem - especially as it may involve a little necessary villainy - the PR objectives amount to keeping the heroes sufficiently soothed to not make her a priority, the villains sufficiently intimidated likewise, and absolutely everybody at least as confused and off-balance as she is right now. Everything else can wait until she has more than 12% of a plan.)
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Morgrim Moon 04/09/2020 12:54 PM
hm. Tinker 'badly' in ways that visibly "fail", in dramatic entertaining and mostly harmless ways? "Okay yes she's making a flying carpet and keeps getting stuck on flagpoles; leave her alone, she can hover, it's fine, she's not a threat."
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:54 PM
…all this subterfuge is going to inhibit taking a badass cape-name
12:55
"why do you call yourself Warmind, you couldn't fight yourself out of a paper bag"
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Shows off actual skills
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Morgrim Moon 04/09/2020 12:55 PM
or you call yourself that AFTERWARDS
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 12:55 PM
so what does she call herself in the meantime? Space Elf Princess?
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Mebbe
12:56
Mebbe not
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Morgrim Moon 04/09/2020 12:56 PM
"I'm busy go away"
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Yes!
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"In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!"
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sdschildberg 04/09/2020 1:02 PM
Rolling up on Brockton Bay’s equivalent to the Sinister 6 or Rouges Gallery (local villans, if you will) would be a great boon to PR. Shows worth and capability as a super. This would probably involve anonymous vigilante stuff (edited)
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Oh, this is going to involve very nonymous vigilante stuff. "Dear PRT, Please find enclosed one Hookwolf-in-a-Box. I suggest you open carefully, as he is a very bad boy indeed. Love and kisses, Her Elvishness"
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Oh hey we added the Faerie Queen to our list of jailbird comparison points
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Enh, that was more or less inevitable.
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All we have to do is implement a honorable but extremely violent law enforced with utmost skill, and hand out physical buffs, and I think we've got every cell-block leader I can remember off the top of my head
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I think we also have to implement particularly extreme feminism and blow up the moon.
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Oh, and turn into acid.
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Okay even with a reminder I'm not sure about the turning into acid
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Acidbath was one, ISTR.
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googles
13:18
Wow what a awful person
13:18
Like, he's not that bad by the standards of his peers here to be honest
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But the birdcage population is kinda an exercise in awful people
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And I can see why the fandom doesn't pay attention to him
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Actually, there's part of me imagining it as a sort of regular Tuesday event. Get up, go to work, find a big box and a little box on the doorstep, containing a local villain and a handy minor technological widget, respectively. (Also a note and some journalists.)
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Go to your office, deal with the resulting mess, beat your head against your desk a few times...
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I feel like the villains would have opinions on that
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0111narwhalz 04/09/2020 1:21 PM
a note in the little box and some journalists in the big one with the villain?
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Heh. Looked at the right way, that could even be a bonus.
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Also I don't think the PRT uses gadgets given to them by strangers no matter how useful they might seem
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Morgrim Moon 04/09/2020 1:23 PM
I misread that as finding the local journalist in the box, occasionally
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Yeah, but that's up to them. Still HALPING. (I suspect they'd end up with Dragon for analysis, the results of which should produce hours of entertainment and headaches.)
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"It's exactly what the manual says it is. No tricks, no traps, no bugs, and can you please introduce me to whoever made it?"
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Armsmaster:"No. She was mean to me"
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Morgrim Moon 04/09/2020 1:26 PM
And this is how she sews discord
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Maybe she'll send him a gift. Depending on the reaction to a Shadow Stalker-in-a-Box, complete with pile of evidence and rather pointed note. (edited)
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To be fair, I feel like Armsmaster would be in favor of that; it's not like he likes her, and a PR disaster forewarned is a PR disaster avoided?
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That was pretty much what I had in mind.
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sdschildberg 04/09/2020 1:38 PM
Ambivalent, not hostile
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thought: cerb should crosspost this to SpaceBattles
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most worm fic seems to be concentrated there
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/14/2020 7:43 PM
oh god no
19:43
SpaceBattles are going to hate the eldraeverse if they find out about it
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how so
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/14/2020 7:47 PM
it's pretty much flamebait for the typical Earther, sorry to say, especially with the tone
19:48
going to draw some epic ire when they see how alien the eldrae are
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to be fair
19:53
Is that SpaceBattles in particular or humanity in general?
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BluejayHurricane 04/14/2020 8:14 PM
SpaceBattles is going to be louder about it
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0111narwhalz 04/14/2020 8:15 PM
I'd say do it just to rile them up
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o7 NLR
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Oh yeah, I remember seeing that 200 years ago
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0111narwhalz 04/14/2020 9:43 PM
silly multi-track tanks
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/14/2020 10:26 PM
This fic started out on my snippets thread as an experiment in writing something other than Jumpchain, which is all I've done up until now. It was originally going to be your bog-standard Worm v1 CYOA but as I was writing it it started evolving under me, to the point I was not...
22:26
damn I am loving this fic and it seems vaguely similar (edited)
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i'm about a third of the way through reading Amelia
23:07
the power gains are crazy, but also pretty much what i'd expect in that situation anyway
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/14/2020 11:09 PM
reading what
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@KAL_9000 I’ve never had the patience for SpaceBattles myself, but feel free to expand my glorious hatedom.
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tl;dr Panacea gets over her hangups that made her keep using her power in the least effective way imaginable
23:15
she proceeds to break half of the world within a few chapters because full-on biomanipulation with basically a FAI pulling the legwork is absolutely bonkers
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sdschildberg 04/14/2020 11:16 PM
Heart is an awesome power Spacebattles is where various SF fandoms deposit their “powerlevels” types
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the funny thing is, that's pretty much her canonical abilities, too.
23:21
it's not a fanfiction power-up at all
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Queen Shaper is hax.
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canonically, Bonesaw, one of the most powerful biotinkers in the world, created and spent days seeding a elaborate parasite/prion based disease which induced amnesia/face blindness within minutes and killed within hours.
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across a entire city at once, with a gaseous spreading mechanism built in
23:23
Panacea comes along, metaphorically says "that's cute", and then spends a literal 5 minutes creating a self-propagating cure.
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/14/2020 11:24 PM
and that's when she's holding back
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to say she has world-changing powers held back by epic shard mindfuckery would be quite a understatement.
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sdschildberg 04/14/2020 11:25 PM
Heart is a terrifying power when you think of it as more than just canned redemption arcs
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/14/2020 11:25 PM
that goes for every character re: shard screwery
23:26
the innovation thing in the CYOA is just maximum bullshit though
23:26
and that's the first few entries
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Regarding this: "I wonder... Could Miss Militia manifest Eldrae weapons if she was given one to study?" - @Tassadar Having consulted WoG ("See 11.h for pointers about how Miss Militia's passenger gathered weapons info about conventional arms. It also feeds into her awareness for updates on weapons (ie., as she becomes aware of more modern munitions). Any projectile firing weapon, just about, barring cruder mechanisms like catapults, and any theoretical, (appropriate) projectile (rubber bullets, hollow points, etc)."), yes. But since the shard appears to figure out what to emulate based on her awareness of them without necessarily having complete understanding of how they work, bearing in mind her origin and assuming the Protectorate doesn't have a "Building Nuclear Weapons 101" course, probably also by just seeing them in action. Or, indeed, being made incredibly dangerous with a copy of a recent issue of Guns and Bullets , or, gods help the Earth, the Eye-in-the-Flame summer catalog.
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sdschildberg 04/15/2020 11:08 AM
Or the self replicating gun
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Hell yes.
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Do you think Miss Militia could replicate larger weapons (like for example a GAU-8/A)?
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The General Electric GAU-8/A Avenger is a 30 mm hydraulically driven seven-barrel Gatling-style autocannon that is typically mounted in the United States Air Force's Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II. Designed specifically for the anti-tank role, the Avenger delivers very...
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She replicated a nuke, once, ISTR. Of course, holding and firing the GAU-8 may be another matter.
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Morgrim Moon 04/15/2020 12:26 PM
and, comparatively speaking, nukes are reasonably simple devices
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uranium ones are.
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Morgrim Moon 04/15/2020 12:26 PM
they're difficult mostly by their ingredients not their complexity
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Yes.
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Now, Plutonium bombs, on the other hand, are far more difficult to create and to get to work properly.
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subcritical implosion devices and fusion devices are comparatively more complex technologies, but a basic supercritical gun-type design is a fairly simple design
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Random thought: with sufficient coilgun, Glory Girl is best bullet.
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Morgrim Moon 04/17/2020 12:06 PM
is she some sort of steel-skinned indestructable punch-things character?
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Personal forcefield of invulnerability to feckin' everything.
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Morgrim Moon 04/17/2020 12:10 PM
aha, very nice, even if it means having to give her some ferromagnetic 'armour'. At least it can be pretty and I'm sure Taylor can figure out some functionality
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(Goes down briefly when hit, but can tank anything in the meantime. But for this application, you only need one hit to turn her into a EM-assisted One Punch Girl.)
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0111narwhalz 04/17/2020 2:42 PM
ferromagnetic? nah it's all about inductive coilguns these days
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"Don't do drugs, kids! It's not that I've got anything against drugs, mind you, but in this town you have to buy them from a dude who thought it was a good idea to name himself Skidmark - and who you can smell coming from three blocks away. That shit's probably cut with rat poop, know what I mean?"
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Enderminion 04/19/2020 3:15 AM
Lol
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That or the nazis
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in fairness there's plenty of things to have against current drugs
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most illegal drugs do have rather unpleasant side effects and are addictive, and none of that is helped by the fact that, by virtue of being illegal, they're often produced in substandard and non-sterile conditions, and are cut with usually hopefully not toxic substances
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now, whether that's a argument against taking those specific drugs or against making them illegal, i'm not sure.
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probably both.
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Morgrim Moon 04/19/2020 8:37 AM
also encourages taking them in poor manners. For example, taking marijuana by mouth is a far safer way of consuming it than smoking it - same benefits, fewer health concerns, and I think roughly the same quality of "high" - but smoking it is simpler to evade legal consequences of
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Everyone I’ve seen says that edibles have more unpredictable effects than smoking.
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Not that I’d know, when I tried either one I didn’t notice any effects.
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Morgrim Moon 04/19/2020 8:46 AM
really? Huh. I know testing the medicinal benefits have been solidly in favour of oral dosing over inhalation
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CBD capsules have helped with headaches and Ehlers-Danlos though.
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Morgrim Moon 04/19/2020 8:47 AM
maybe the different components favour different dosing methods?
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Medicinal, maybe, since it would last longer.
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@Buggy Mostly, that's an argument for quality control.
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As a side note, it is also notable that one of the notable effects of the War on Drugs That Offended Someone is to push worse and worse drugs into prominence. Way back in the day, we had opium, which made its users dopey, sleepy, happy, and other dwarves, was very hard to OD on, was cheap and available everywhere, and while withdrawal from a long-term opium addiction ain't exactly fun, compared to most withdrawals, it's a walk in the park.
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Morgrim Moon 04/19/2020 9:24 AM
hm. I'm... really not sure I'd characterise it like that. Better than heroin, oh yes, but still nasty and needs to be done under supervision
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but the milder amphetamines are miles better than anything you can get on the street. And LSD in low doses looks to be safer than most stuff you get over the counter
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Today, after a long treadmill of replacing drugs with worse drugs, our current market leaders are methamphetamine, which replaces the good qualities of regular speed with insanity, seizures, and being an asshole, and fentanyl, which is basically heroin's less cool brother with super-extra death.
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If you're really lucky, you can get crystal meth cut with fentanyl, which...
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Morgrim Moon 04/19/2020 9:27 AM
oh gods
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In the beginning, I'm thinking of smoked raw opium and laudanum. It's not impossible, but it's really hard to fuck yourself up totally with those, and before Prohibition II: Pharmaceutical Boogaloo, covering a moderate addiction wouldn't break the bank. Ideal worlds aside, we did not do ourselves any favors by encouraging people to get pharmaceutically creative in cooking up new and terrible drugs.
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Another example: the progression coca -> cocaine -> crack gets worse at every step. Should have stuck with chewing the leaves and drinking original recipe coca-cola.
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Morgrim Moon 04/19/2020 9:33 AM
hm. I'd put raw opium about on par with tobacco. You'll definitely fuck up your body, but gradually, with a chance to quit with minor assistance
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I've got a formal MSDS for cocaine sitting around somewhere
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Amusing side fact: there is a detergent manufacturer in New Jersey that is sitting on a giant mountain of cocaine.
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Morgrim Moon 04/19/2020 9:36 AM
it was a possible derivative of a reaction I was doing, and I was aiming to get the dissolution product of sticking cocaine in water. Which also happens to be what they train sniffer dogs on (cocaine itself has no smell, but moist air produces enough for a dog). I spent 4 months walking around with my supervisor's business card on me at all times, just in case
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Because they happen to be one company of very few with the legal authorization to import coca leaves, which they turn into the cocaine-free extract (for the Coca-Cola Company) and cocaine (for Mallinckrodt, the pharma company). Except there's rather more demand for the former than the latter, so it just keeps piling up... (edited)
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(I don't know why they're the people with the license, but the company in question is globally famous for its anionic surfactants, so.)
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Yeah, that would be an awkward conversation.
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Morgrim Moon 04/19/2020 9:47 AM
I got pinged by a sniffer dog in training at the central train station. It was a remarkably civil encounter, mostly because I am a white woman who looks very non-threatening and not a druggie. Police offer asks, I sigh and say I am a chemist, I've been working with a substance chemically similar to cocaine, there is a white lab coat in my bag that the dog would indicate on, no they do NOT have permission to search my bag but I'm happy to pull out the lab coat and here's the mobile phone number for the head of the university chemistry department, and cops waved me on after just a peak at "yes that looks like it could be a lab coat". Almost certainly because I have plausible reason for a false positive, I don't look anything other than slightly exasperated, and it looks like 1) it's an easily cleared up issue but 2) if they ring they WILL have to do paperwork
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Today, after a long treadmill of replacing drugs with worse drugs, our current market leaders are methamphetamine, which replaces the good qualities of regular speed with insanity, seizures, and being an asshole, and fentanyl, which is basically heroin's less cool brother with super-extra death.
Let us not forget Krokodil. A drug so bad that its users are happy when they can get enough money together to have some heroin instead, because the heroin "feels clean".
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Morgrim Moon 04/19/2020 9:49 AM
"Can we ask why you don't want us to search your bag?" "Because then I have to report it to my supervisor and uni admin and it's a pain in the neck."
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petition to put earth next to a black hole for a while but leave cerb on mars
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so when we come back after a century his time chapter 3 will be out
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but only a few weeks will have passed for us
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You might need to drop a shit-ton of happy pills on mars, too. My brain is kicking my ass right now. Grumblesmurf.
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Heh, the Inevitable Certainty Drive is useful and amusing
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i mean, there's nothing like walking up to a villain's lair, and then they just walk out with a frown on their face and handcuff themselves.
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Morgrim Moon 04/24/2020 11:35 AM
...are the idiots TRYING to make a villain?!
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That’s what I was thinking.
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Also, she named the bytegeist Rose!
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Of course, the way things went down looks a little different from the other side's perspective.
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Agreed.
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That’s... going to be hard to reconcile with the PRT.
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(Also, Shadow Stalker is a lying liar who lies... in ways carefully calculated to not actually lie in front of Armsmaster's lie detector.)
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sdschildberg 04/24/2020 11:41 AM
More half-truths
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What if Armmaster asks a yes/no question like ‘did you bully Taylor?’
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She can’t half-truth her way out of that, can she?
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No, those can't be fudged. But delivering a hasty incident report about the "parahuman terrorist" that has to be dealt with right now ? That's much easier to slant in ways that lead to the exact right/wrong conclusions.
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Morgrim Moon 04/24/2020 11:47 AM
So presumably if Taylor was questioned and flatly stated "I was human and they locked me in a locker and tortured me and then THIS happened" Armsmaster would be able to tell she wasn't lying? And then go ask Shadow Stalker lots of awkward questions
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I sure hope that happens.
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Sophia is a B!tch
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A couple of brief interludes up next.
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/24/2020 12:19 PM
Can Armsmaster's lie detector tell if someone's omitting important details?
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Presumably the person still gives off some tells
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For the purposes of this fic, the current revision does not. (Because Armsmaster.)
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PRAISE CERB THE NEW CHAPTER IS OUT
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And shit has officially hit the fan
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New record, I believe
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Interlude Prediction:
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“wtf” -Simurgh, probably
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"PATH ERROR, RECALCULATING" - Contessa and Scion's 4d gps path to victory (edited)
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also, that was a neat trick with the containment foam; Rose's cutting laser is probably so strong that she should have a PRT rating of her own
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sdschildberg 04/24/2020 6:57 PM
Blaster/brute (via tinker) (edited)
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minor correction: dripping blue-white and silver from my hands.” That's a thought, so that " is excess (edited)
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Question: Is The Lie detector based on subjective or objective truth of a statement?
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has to be subjective
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Two: How much can weasel words be used to get around the Lie Detector?
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For instance: AM: Did you bully Taylor? SS: I don’t believe I was bullying her.
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Or
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AM: Did you attack Taylor? SS: No (not with weapons).
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Armsmaster: visible skepticism
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Seems more like she thinks bullying is good.
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/24/2020 8:22 PM
not unrealistic sadly
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iirc from what we've seen in canon it's subjective truth (it's checking for lies, not acting as a clairvoyant fact-checker), and it's more of a scale than a strict true-false. When Skitter meets Armsmaster to tell him about her going undercover, he notes things like "Mostly the truth." a few times when she's being evasive or wording things carefully.
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so if he's used to a background level of evasiveness and partial truths from SS, then he might be fooled
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Yep.
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of course, now that i think about it, his lie detector probably doesn't work on E!Taylor at all
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it's probably a high-tech equivalent of a polygraph, feeding various physiological information like heart rate, skin blood perfusion, etc into some analytical software. Possibly incorporates social predictive software as well.
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so between being a near-human alien with a entirely different set of physiological responses (going so far as to have a different blood color), having non-standard neurology and social instincts, and having mil-spec security enhancements which probably close the glaring security hole presented by subconscious physiological reactions to internal mental states... (edited)
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sufficient to say his lie detector is probably just going to say "orange, bologna, queen of france" for a few seconds before he gives up.
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sdschildberg 04/24/2020 10:32 PM
Something something fae bending their words something something half truths (edited)
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Eldrae kinesics aren't sufficiently different from human to make it much more than less reliable, especially at first. (You'll note that Tattletale's power could still get a fairly accurate read, for example.)
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sdschildberg 04/25/2020 1:29 AM
Both species display similar physical stress responses
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Now, there are such things as face-saving programs, which soften, and emotional response dampers, which more or less eliminate, the assorted tells that kinesic readers can use, which she could dig out of the library. On the other hand, the problem with using those to wipe your kinesics is that the resulting flattened affect is a pretty obvious tell in itself.
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sdschildberg 04/25/2020 1:31 AM
It’s just an automated way to keep a poker face
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Yep. There has not been much work done on creating more effective ways to lie without kinesic tells, since (a) None of it would fool an alethiometer. Hell, it won't even fool an MRI machine circa now; and (b) To steal a quotation from SC2, "Human. We Ur-Quan never lie. NEVER! It is a weakness to lie and, as you have noticed, the Ur-Quan are not weak!"
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sdschildberg 04/25/2020 1:33 AM
The entire purpose of any lie-detector gadget or power is to see past what kinesics can do
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and (c) there is nothing more useful when deceiving people than a reputation for honesty. Something readily attained at the slight cost of having to let people lie to themselves for you.
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0111narwhalz 04/25/2020 1:34 AM
the best lie is the outrageous, unbelievable truth
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Well, to be fair, today's polygraphs and so forth are kinesics readers; just with better sensors than the Mk. I Eyeball.
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i suspect that it'll be easy enough to calibrate, because as you said they're similar, but i also wouldn't expect it to work very well at all until Armsmaster at least fiddles with the settings
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two specific techniques i would expect it to use would be reading the heartrate and discerning how flushed visible parts of the skin are via camera; both things we can do already. And a triple-chamber heart (or whatever it was Taylor mentioned) and blue blood will thoroughly confound either of those, even if it's a easy fix.
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granted, Armsmaster might well have been thorough enough that it can handle that much on it's own, given that Case-53s exist
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hard to say. Personally I wouldn't expect lie detectors to work particularly well in the first place without some baseline interactions to work off of, but "Tinkers are bullshit" for a reason (edited)
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/25/2020 10:43 AM
wait, eldraeic hearts have only three chambers?
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Technically, none at all. They're continuous-flow peristaltic pumps.
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(So, arguably, it's not really a pulse as we know it, but a sort of three-peaked thrum.) This is an adapted bluelife mechanism, and was selected by the Precursor bioengineers because it's easier on the blood cells, doesn't have any valves to go wrong, and doesn't send big pressure waves through the circulatory system with each beat. Which last is rather easier on the blood vessels, too.
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So the first time someone tries to take her pulse or blood pressure, boy, are they in for a shock.
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Morgrim Moon 04/25/2020 12:06 PM
does it still have some pulsing? Because you've got that sniper having their heart removed
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Some, yeah, as the peristaltic wave moves to the end and resets, but it's more like a slow sine than quick spikes.
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Also, it connects the lungs to the rest of the body.
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At least in Terran vertebrates that have lungs.
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Fish have that weird two-chamber heart that just pushes blood through the gills.
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The triple thrum is because, while a single complex, there're actually three pumps involved. The big one that moves blood through the body entire, and two smaller ones which take the blood returning from the paracardiac chain and push it through the lungs. (edited)
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Which would still be susceptible to gross physical trauma like a stake through the sternum.
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(Humans don't have one of those, either. It's a folded structure of blood-filters, glands, and ganglia that cleans and enhances the blood returning through the venae cavae and lymph from the thoracic duct, and contains a lot of the immune enhancements that enable the whole not aging process.) (edited)
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So a secondary liver and kidney?
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More specifically immuno-/anagatho-focused than either, but it's not the worst analogy. Also, its filtering process doesn't have its own dump; it just transforms intractable problems into things the kidneys can flush easily.
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With a bit of a lymph node thrown in
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In other - baseline - gross organic (sic) differences awaiting the curious anatomist, the spleen is enlarged, the liver has a more complex six-lobed structure rather than four-lobed, and the stomach has developed a double-chamber to support the use of bluelife-specific proteases.
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Also, the brain's wrinklier and has a larger cortex callosum than in humans, but it's still basically a brain.
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A tribe of nomadic divers has evolved larger spleens to allow them to catch fish more than 200 feet underwater, scientists have discovered.
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There definitely is some of that, but I think most of it is another consequence of the high-powered immune system called for for anagathic effect.
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wants a character tag for "the cloned, disembodied brain of Jack Slash"
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what in tarnation
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Sometimes you do science, sometimes the science does you.
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I'd say not to hook that up to a microphone, but his shard would probably develop telepathy anyways. (edited)
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Well, having been cloned, it's not like he's in this one. (But if you can't shameless abuse the Case 70 phenomenon for Science!, what can you do?) (edited)
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that's... a great point, a really great point now that i think about it
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canonically, it seems that clones of parahumans fully inherit their abilities. While the fate of the Slaughterhouse 9000 rather demonstrates the perils of fork armies, it would still be a powerful strategy
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(plus, they weren't proper forks. Just reconstructed clones that probably didn't have their former full expertise)
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@Overmind What can the Empire (or the Transcend specifically) actually send through an interdimensional wormhole?
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worm meme
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i dunno a lot of fics get that right IMO
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also, related, but i only recently realized how hilariously ironic Panacea and New Wave is
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they're a movement based around honesty and accountability and such, but GG and Panacea basically have a arrangement that amounts to "I'll break criminals, you put them back together and make sure they don't sue us"
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Clearly the problem is insufficient incest.
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truly, is there anything that can't be solved by sufficient incest?
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not according to the internet, which is always right.
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I am trying to remember the fic in which Amy's secret lust for Glory Girl is revealed at the bank, and Taylor's response is basically, "Well, isn't literally everyone of our age lusting after GG? Even the gay boys and straight girls? Now, not doing so, that's a condition." (edited)
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dunno, i'll keep a eye out for it
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i've been on a binge of Worm fics lately
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i went from Amelia, to Weaver's 9, and now i'm on Cenotaph
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Short, four-chapter or so crack-fic, in which Taylor's incredible laziness is a feature.
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heh, i'll keep an eye out for it
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i did come across the terrible fics. Not so much in writing quality as the content
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Is that u/LiterallyWormExcept?
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Good times
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i'm not sure if its good or "good"
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but it... is.
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it definitely is.
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...ironically, in this particular case problems might actually be solved by sufficient not-really-incest. ('Look, kids, the Omniscient Prognostication Engine has worked out all the possible outcomes from here, which range from "multiple entire worlds dead of hideous plague" to "sunshine, rainbows, and a happy old age with a bunch of freckly, platinum-haired grandchildren flying around healing people". So for the sake of all reality, for the good of mankind, for your own good, and for the OPE's shipping chart... JUST KISS, YOU MORONS.')
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happy old age
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there is no such thing as old if e!taylor can help it
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An unnecessary complexity to get into at the time, methinks.
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sdschildberg 04/28/2020 3:44 PM
“If we don’t kiss the world ends” is a god teir shipfic idea
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"While we're having this conversation, incidentally, would you mind joining our secret mostly-not-villainous organization as Head of Biotech Research and Supreme Anti-Endbringer Warhead, respectively?"
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"Both of your first assignments will be to Project Making Sure No-One Dies, Ever. (Except terminal assholes, for whom we offer an Unlimited Fist-of-Death License.)"
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To answer @KAL_9000 's earlier question, what you can send through a between-universe wormhole is -- (Assuming, for a moment, that you have found two universes with natural laws which are compatible enough to send mass-energy between without it dissolving instantly into adjacentia. Inasmuch as universes are random agglomerations from the primordial chaos's all-set and the set of identical agglomerations is an infinitesimal, although also infinite, subset of the infinite set of stable agglomerations, which is an infinite subset of the infinite set of all possible agglomerations... well, don't count on it.) -- similar to a conventional wormhole; it depends on how much energy you feel like putting into it.
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could you send hard drives with bytegeists through it?
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Yes, this does mean it could send a certain admiral and her shiny superdreadnought All You Other Endbringers Are Just Imitating to solve the problem her way. It won't. But it could.
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how did you somehow know exactly where I was going with that?
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I'm psychic.
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literally the easiest solution to this is to teleport sargas
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but that wouldn't be fun, would it
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Well, unless you count immediate CALYX HOLLOW as fun
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It breaks the First Commandment of Interventions, though.
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"Thou shalt not cockblock someone else's torrid affair with awesomeness."
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cerb
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that sounds exactly like what the eldrae would do 😛
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wouldn't even occupy sargas, she could send a fork
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/28/2020 4:33 PM
not sure what the logic is behind that commandment exactly
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something like "it's better if they work through it alone"
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Think like an awesomeness-maximizer.
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/28/2020 4:38 PM
"it's more awesome if they're only given a little nudge"?
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That's my best guess
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having everything end in immediate calyx hollow would be kind of dull
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Teach a soph to be awesome, they'll generate awesome for the rest of their lives. Be awesome for them, they'll still be a schmuck tomorrow.
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/28/2020 4:39 PM
so I didn't quite get it
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sdschildberg 04/28/2020 4:40 PM
“A well done regime change self perpetuates”
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/28/2020 4:42 PM
and yeah it makes a little more sense now
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fix the species, not just their soon-to-be-ephemeral kaiju problem (edited)
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Morgrim Moon 04/28/2020 9:58 PM
and if fixing the species still results in them having a few struggles with the kaiju problem, then you can helpfully send them a Sargas to help finish off the problem
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and if fixing the species still results in them having a few struggles with the kaiju problem, then you can helpfully send them a Sargas to help finish off the problem
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and if fixing the species still results in them having a few struggles with the kaiju problem, then you can helpfully send them a Sargas to help finish off the problem
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and if fixing the species still results in them having a few struggles with the kaiju problem, then you can helpfully send them a Sargas to help finish off the problem
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and if fixing the species still results in them having a few struggles with the kaiju problem, then you can helpfully send them a Sargas to help finish off the problem
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0111narwhalz 04/28/2020 10:11 PM
that's a lot of Sargas'
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many forks
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0111narwhalz 04/29/2020 9:22 AM
I'm not sure if any reality could handle that many Sargas forks
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Morgrim Moon 04/29/2020 9:34 AM
sorry guys, apparently my connection had a fit
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and yes I think 5 copies of the Worldburner might be a bit much. Hell, even five random members of the Sargas house might be a bit much
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BluejayHurricane 04/29/2020 9:59 AM
There was a discord bug at about that time yesterday. I saw it in ToughSF too.
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Plan:
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1) Put Glory Girl in tungsten shell
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2) Fire Glory Girl out of railgun
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3) Jettison tungsten casing
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4) Impact with Endbringer
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5) Profit
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BluejayHurricane 04/29/2020 4:26 PM
Tungsten for aerosheilding?
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It's also what railgun shells are made of
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Sadly, Glory Girl is not magnetic
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BluejayHurricane 04/29/2020 4:27 PM
And also, what’s her acceleration tolerance
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Yes
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0111narwhalz 04/29/2020 4:27 PM
tungsten is not magnetic either
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railguns don't give a toss about magnetic properties
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they are based on current flowing through the armature
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well then tungsten for aeroshielding
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We don't actually even need a jettison mechanism, actually
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Just have shock heating with the atmosphere melt it off
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Pros:
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-Awesome
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-Highly destructive
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-Involves railguns
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Cons:
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-None
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this is the greatest idea i've ever had
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Enderminion 04/29/2020 6:31 PM
death due to acceleration?
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Her acceleration tolerance is Yes
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0111narwhalz 04/29/2020 6:42 PM
name the railgun Columbiad
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/29/2020 6:43 PM
actually
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in the Behemoth arc they mention huge railguns didn't work (edited)
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Did they try hypersonic Glory Girl, though?
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BluejayHurricane 04/29/2020 6:47 PM
I must admit that an indestructible projectile would have interesting effects
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0111narwhalz 04/29/2020 6:49 PM
What is her resistivity? Does her temperature increase when you pump manymany amps across her? Does her temperature increase when you place a conductor through which you are pumping manymany amps in contact with her?
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she has a skin-level forcefield which can take "one strong hit" before collapsing
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a canonical lower bound on what can pop is a handgun bullet, not sure what a upper end would be
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once it collapses it takes a few seconds to regenerate
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0111narwhalz 04/29/2020 7:04 PM
ah, I'm not sure ram compression counts as one continuous hit or arbitrarily many hits
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It deflected a Scion blast at least once. (edited)
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ah, so the upper bound is rather high
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my main concern would be putting so much force on it that it dissipates more quickly than a normal 'pop', to the point that it doesn't stop whatever the force is coming from. But if it can tank a hit from Scion, a Glorious Railgun would definitely work
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0111narwhalz 04/29/2020 7:08 PM
hm, do the shards try to shut the powers of immediate threats down?
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Yeah, there may also be a hostile environment to deal with on arrival, but if the forecefield can go around the envarmor...
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0111narwhalz 04/29/2020 7:10 PM
if so, there could be a great moment of the eldritch horrors from beyond the stars going "Turn it off!" "I thought she was you!"
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Well, if Glory Girl fails, just fire Alexandria
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(I believe it is costume-preserving.)
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0111narwhalz 04/29/2020 7:11 PM
"it's not that kind of web-novel" —the author, probably
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With sufficient power, we can probably fire her right through the endbringer.
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Okay, fine
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Cons:
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-Will short out Brockton Bay's entire power grid
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Possibly the Eastern Seaboard's
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Pros: - Brockton Bay will still exist to have/need a power grid
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yes
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the forcefield is adaptive... while Scion is alive, anyway.
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- Endbringer sushi - Extremely happy Vicky
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not sure if it'll work for armor, but it works with even very large changes in body shape
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0111narwhalz 04/29/2020 7:17 PM
mad cackling must be involved somewhere in the operation of this… device
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but once you take out the central server (Scion) a lotta shards stop working properly or can't adapt as well
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this comes up a lot in Ward
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as for immediate threats being shut down or not... I'm not sure
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there's a notable moment when Chevalier is about to stab Behemoth's exposed core with a mixed/merged multi-dimensional sword, and the moment his weapon touches it it just sorta breaks and splits into pieces
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Actually, something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto may be better for taking out Leviathan specifically
Project Pluto was a United States government program to develop nuclear-powered ramjet engines for use in cruise missiles. Two experimental engines were tested at the United States Department of Energy Nevada Test Site (NTS) in 1961 and 1964.
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0111narwhalz 04/29/2020 7:20 PM
"you can't use the power I grant you to kill me"
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but i can't recall if that's Behemoth hitting the emergency stop on Chev's power, or if it's just two multi-dimensional effects mixing poorly and one of them won.
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Fly it over and nuke him while he's chilling in the ocean
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0111narwhalz 04/29/2020 7:20 PM
kind of basic self-preservation subroutine deal
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it's possible that the entities have that, but it's either not automatic or it's very lenient
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Scion dies after his body-portal is pinned in place by a power and then his real body is shot with a big tinkertech gun
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Eden dies after being stabbed in exactly the wrong spot by someone using her best precog power
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but Eden didn't get the chance to put the finishing touches on that shard, but the fact that she added a "you can't hurt me" limitation once she noticed the threat indicates that the entities, theoretically, can regain control of shards on a moment's notice
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/29/2020 7:24 PM
the entities were kind of dumbasses though
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they're sorta weirdly narrow-minded, yeah.
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they're trope enforcers
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a lot of reliance on powerful precog abilities for planning
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sdschildberg 04/29/2020 7:24 PM
Which is why even the slightest bit of cheese is available
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exactly, yeah
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Of course, this goes completely off the rails once someone immune to their logos suppression field shows up
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Namely e!Taylor
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and personally, i'd wager that the only reason Scion canonically died at all is that Khepri and Others bullied him until he was so depressed that he laid down and let them kill him
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sdschildberg 04/29/2020 7:26 PM
If the entities had one collective braincell cheese like “just nuke/railgun em lol” would be impossible
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this is true
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or they'd actually expand their censor to include things like, oh, planning to kill them
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sdschildberg 04/29/2020 7:28 PM
I said one brain cell among all of em Let’s start small here
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fair, fair. Baby steps.
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sdschildberg 04/29/2020 7:48 PM
and yes, "yeet your compatriot at them because the upper bound of survivable impacts is undefined" is cheese
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Works for Wolverine and Collossus
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An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
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Ah, the PHO.
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Classic
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never change, greg
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never change
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/01/2020 4:18 PM
looks like tay's gonna be outed soon
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i mean, there's only so much secrecy possible when you trigger publicly and slowly fly to your house without a mask.
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/01/2020 6:30 PM
greg or no greg
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and PHO is still trying to keep it a secret
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heck, i wouldn't be surprised if PHO handed out bans for talking about New Wave's identities
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i remember a fic doing that once
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Morgrim Moon 05/01/2020 10:32 PM
at least someone noticed the "no matter how tactless Armsmaster was"
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His reputation in that area is... solid.
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efficiency is his specialty, he efficiently solves technical problems and people problems alike.
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Technical problems, he solves by tinkering.
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People problems, he solves by alienating them until they stop peopleing around him
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Morgrim Moon 05/01/2020 10:54 PM
it sounds like if you want a higher ratio of heroes and not villains caused by negative encounters with authority, it would be more efficient to send him along with someone more diplomatic
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To quote from a different universe: “In retrospect, I should not have attempted to use chemistry to research sociology.”
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And, to be fair, he was also working on bad information courtesy of the local psychopath.
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This is true. His heart is in the right place, he just hasn't realized that he needs to invest some brainpower on the solutions-for-people-problems side of things
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his lie detector suite is a step in the right direction, but he needs to take a jog in that direction
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/01/2020 11:19 PM
I keep wanting to bring up rhodeworks' criticism of Sophia as being 'too mean to Taylor for no reason', to over-condense.. but then I remember plenty of people are giant dicks in real life for no good reason (edited)
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Well, she has a reason. It’s just that most of us wouldn’t consider “being a shard-aggravated sadist with undiagnosed clinical psychopathy” as a good reason.
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random thought: i wonder if Accord would be satisfied with having only non-sophont minions workforces
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his power is useful and he's not really evil, either. Its just kind of hard to work around his... stringent preferences.
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offer him a very symmetrical and orderly robot army, polished to a shine, be careful with how you present information to him, and he might be a useful ally
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another random thought: you said that parallel dimensions is not the normal state of the verse, so there's a shard responsible for it. That would be Coil's, wouldn't it?
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The currently operational Worldline Demux is one of Scion's shards that he didn't give out. It has the sort of insane energy requirements to do what it's doing that it might not even be possible to pass it to anyone not an entity.
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Given that he is a Cauldron cape, it's possible that Coil has a crippled version of Eden's equivalent shard, but whether or not he actually can split and unmake worldlines in the physical sense or whether its still the canonical simulative corcognition has yet to be decided. (Depends on whether I want him to have that much power, and/or what it'll mean for the shape of the plot.)
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(To fill in a little background, Worldline Demux is a force-multiplier shard for the Entities' experimentation. It works [and big endgame-period discovery spoilers here for those who care about such things] like this: The way universes naturally work (and this is a horrible, gross, lies-to-children popsci version of the theory) is that in macroscopic quantum systems, like universes, you can approximate the probability curve of aggregate wave function distributions as something like a bell curve. The resolved classical universe as we actually perceive and experience it is essentially the peak of the curve. The falloff to either side, for the most part, can be conceived of as naught but shadows and echoes. Not that there aren't interactions or ways of manipulating things for useful ends available with sufficiently advanced technology. (edited)
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What Worldline Demux does is, by means of copious brute force applied to quantum fuckery, reshape that probability curve such that it has a multitude of lower peaks rather than one big one. The result is that you end up with multiple experienceable worldlines, one per curve-peak, which can be considered "parallel worlds" occupying the same space. This allows an Entity with it to run multiple parallel iterations of its experiments on the same planet, to multiply its potential gains.
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The space in question, Worldline Demux only having so much energy to apply, is pretty much confined to Earth-local space. This is two reasons the Entities don't want humanity getting offworld; one, they might notice the difference from out there, and two, because the peaks are lower, mass-energy in Earth-local space is less real than mass-energy outside it. If you think of the height of the normal peak as "real", that amount of realness is being shared between multiple worldlines. (This is what makes Sting , Flechette's power, so damn deadly, because it synthesizes q-states that are baseline-level-of-the-universe real.)
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Assorted other implications are left as an exercise for the reader.)
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after reading on it a bit, apparently coils power is canonically a sort of precog that gets played out in real time. I thought he genuinely split off new dimensions, but that makes much more sense (running a second cocurrent timeline would either double the power drain on shards or double the shards.)
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I remembered that being discussed in-universe a bit, but i thought that was just Tattle and Skitter not wanting to face the horrifying conclusion that he destroyed entire planets on a daily basis
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that aside, would a consequence of this be that any sort of quantum fuckery is also easier/less energy intensive?
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since the peaks are lower, so any modification to a individual peak ought to take less effort overall
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Of course, deleting a full-fidelity simulation isn’t really all that distinguishable from destroying that same thing.
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this is true
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that bit always did baffle me about precog, a bit
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namely, the accuracy.
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For now, let’s assume that “reality” is orthogonal to other physical properties.
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running a very high fidelity simulation of the entire planet, to the point that butterfly effects are easily predicted years down the line... and also including other precog shards and the shard doing the simulation
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i'm pretty sure that a entire subfield of computer science is dedicated to saying "no, you can't do that."
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i suppose since all the shards are networked and should theoretically have well-defined I/O you can optimize a lot there, because the shard itself is complex but it'll behave in a simple manner
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but still, no wonder some people assert that entities are galaxy-mass or larger
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This is a particular area I can’t comment on much because major plot spoilers.
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that's fair. You're also doing things pretty differently
03:15
shards being brane entities and the Worldline Demux being a later-developed force-multiplier means that the shards have a very different origin than canon
03:17
and because shards explicitly suppress free will and manipulate their hosts that can help cut down on the complexity quite a lot. You don't need to predict the butterflies if you just squish them.
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because shards explicitly suppress free will Ah, a definitive statement on this: it's fanon. Fanfanon. Ach, you know what I mean. For the shards to do this would be self-defeating for the Entities. They're trying to use the branemeats (to coin a term) as creativity farms to find a solution to their entropy problem, and that'd be pointless if they p-zombified them, because they could just run a giant p-zombie simulation and have done with it. They need the logotic wacky to make their plan work.
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0111narwhalz 05/04/2020 11:15 AM
they need the logotic wacky to make their plan work, but they also need not logotic wacky to make their precog work…
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sdschildberg 05/04/2020 11:17 AM
They need controlled creativity
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Their precog works as well as it does because most people don't exercise their free will in unpredictable ways all that much, and they have a friggin' huge dataset and oodles of computing power to throw at the problem. So usually there's just a little fuzziness in the process such that it doesn't work to pull end-of-First-Lensman-I-can-tell-you-exactly-where-individual-hairs-will-fall-in-10-years tricks. It's good, but it ain't Visualization of the Cosmic All.
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(This effect is also why Contessa's PtV occasionally spits out "recalculating" and returns a different number of steps.)
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sdschildberg 05/04/2020 11:22 AM
It’s good enough for super work, as one might say (edited)
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This effect is also responsible for the "causality interference" that is responsible for blinding precogs to each other, but it's not just precogs. Anyone who demonstrates an unusually high Cíëlle Vagary, or worse, actual in-the-technical-sense miracles that generate impossipoints, will fuck with precognition in the same way.
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(It's basically the same problem as Destiny's Vex have simulating the Guardians. You can have a perfect causal simulation that predicts that Bob there will turn left at the end of the street, but there's always that tiny unsimulatable possibility that he'll say "fuck it", and turn right anyway. Or turn up. Or turn down the bed. Or turn into a herring. Will defeats law.)
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Now I'm trying to remember if in canon we ever saw Contessa go up against a high-powered combat Thinker.
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Morgrim Moon 05/04/2020 11:36 AM
the part of me that loves Sly Cooper keeps imagining Contessa as a drider
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To get into those spoilers I was avoiding earlier for those who just plain can't resist, their precog-simulations also have essentially the same vulnerability as the Vex's - namely, you can't simulate what you can't outcompute. Now, I'm not saying moon-brains are the answer to this problem, but I'm not saying they're not the answer, either.
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0111narwhalz 05/04/2020 11:40 AM
[intense hashing]
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sdschildberg 05/04/2020 12:03 PM
Nah, straight up magic or other high level BS is the solution
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ah, sorry i thought you said earlier that the shards suppress the logos, but i agree it makes more sense for them to not do that. If they did, then why not p-zombies.
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oh, it was "logos-depressed" which does make more sense; cutting off the bits that are more troublesome without suppressing the useful bits
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the downside of the Moonbrain Plan is that step 1 is "Kill the Simurgh". Which is a good step regardless, but there is a bit of a problem with the best solution to precogs being gated behind killing one of the most powerful precogs.
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Of course, you can also try to sneak past the Simurgh, I suppose. That might be a little easier
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But there are parallel worldlines right there...
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Fair point, personally i'd be concerned about building a moonplanetbrain in the equivalent of the Entities' utilities room, but that doesn't become a problem unless Scion realizes it and takes action
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Wait. Parallel-worldline-computation is still real computation whose output can be translated into realer reality without substantial investment or loss. That sounds like... a very valuable thing that the people back in the Empire would love to install in their server clusters. Possible interference with quantum computation aside.
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BluejayHurricane 05/04/2020 11:29 PM
Please don’t dump your (computational) garbage into Narnia.
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0111narwhalz 05/04/2020 11:31 PM
clearly the reason we don't have perpetual motion is that someone in a parallel universe figured out how to shuffle entropy out of theirs and into our, but is being real careful to put it in places it should be anyway
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how inconsiderate of them
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plot twist: they're actually trying to help us but their time runs backwards compared to ours and they don't realize it.
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0111narwhalz 05/04/2020 11:34 PM
they think they're paying tithes after a great interdimensional war
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So, Earth's reality is a bit less real then outside due to entities.
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What's happen when the thingy that transforms one peak into many stops working?
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How violent will be quantum state redistribution?
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An uncontrolled collapse would be apocalyptic.
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my mind keeps taking the metaphor of peaks-on-a-graph and thinking "water ripples", like... waves in a pool, from people splashing about, recombining and such (edited)
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except instead of 2d graphs or water, it's 3 dimensional amplitudes corresponding to particles composing a entire planet.
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that would be... a splash.
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it is, perhaps, a good idea to kill or subvert the entities very carefully.
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As in, Earth survives, significant parts of biosphere, atmosphere and hydrosphere will be a little redistributed and heated up, cosmically speaking (edited)
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In this case, where you've got coherent local data replaced by a mass of random q-states, we're talking "a shit-ton of mass-energy spontaneously decoheres and recoheres as super-energetic super-simple particles, mostly photons; i.e., an Earths-shattering kaboom". This is how the Entities end the Cycle. (edited)
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sdschildberg 05/05/2020 2:08 PM
Turns out killing reality warpers while they warp may not be the best idea.
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neat
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Interesting way to get energy-positive output
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0111narwhalz 05/05/2020 2:36 PM
ontotech direct conversion reactor
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Planet-sized confused matter bomb.
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(Powering the mother of all one-shot Orions.)
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Cursed fanfic idea:
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Worm but Taylor gets the ability to control bacteria instead of insects
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BluejayHurricane 05/11/2020 7:03 PM
Thanks, I hate it. Also, isn’t that Amy?
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0111narwhalz 05/11/2020 7:03 PM
it starts simple: your food goes off a little too quickly, your cheese tastes funny
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but then, face-eating bacteria
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and best of all she can control their dna exchange
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reminder that bacterial generations are measured in minutes
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do the math
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0111narwhalz 05/11/2020 7:05 PM
how quickly do we get the new eukaryotes?
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yes
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0111narwhalz 05/11/2020 7:06 PM
can she bootstrap an entirely new multicellular lineage while retaining control?
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sdschildberg 05/11/2020 7:06 PM
Her own army of alien horrors
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0111narwhalz 05/11/2020 7:06 PM
it's shoggoth time!
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they whistle eldritch tones from ad hoc vocal apparata
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(sometimes they eat penguins)
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At some point in the middle of the night, aided by insomnia, Kubernetes, and five hours spent debugging an issue that turned out to be an f in the place of an F, my brain came up with the idea of a Trump power to missay other capes' names and rewrite their powers accordingly, with consequences from the hilarious to the terrifying.
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genius
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Scion? More like Sigh-on, amirite?
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I mean, on one hand, it kind of sucks to be Clickblocker, bane of malware everywhere, but it sucks in a really terrifying way to be Gory Girl, whose power escalation rivals Lung's, but only functions by literally bathing in the blood of her enemies. (edited)
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Other examples include Buttery, who can conjure any kind of liquor; Visa, the Ward with the power to deport anyone back to their point of origin - although sadly weak against homegrown villains; Glue, whose power makes confoam look lame; Botch, who can make anyone roll a natural 1, metaphorically speaking, and the similarly misfortune-inducing Fail; Scatter, who proceeds independently to Russian ports; Paring, who has Jack Slash's power limited to whittling; Kid Won, who retroactively rewrites the outcome of cape fights...
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...and, of course, Only Lee, who has no conventional superpowers at all, but who can call upon any of the abilities of every normal in the world who happens to be named Lee. One Lee at a time.
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Glue, also known as Literally Just Gregor The Snail
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It could still billow like his darkness, only stickier. Vector, on the other hand, pretty much is Literally Just Skidmark.
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Warnings: using this channel for generic worm-chat, Exalted Why, exactly, have I seen like five "taylor hebert exalts as a solar" stories and not one where she exalts as a lunar despite that clearly being the better choice in every respect - she's even more sidereal than she is solar!
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sdschildberg 05/12/2020 5:24 PM
aren’t lunars the ones who transform into animals
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/12/2020 5:25 PM
cursed
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furry taylor
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furry taylor
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sdschildberg 05/12/2020 5:26 PM
Nah keep the insect aesthetic and make her transform@into a humanoid moth
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/12/2020 5:26 PM
Taylor triggers but gets Eddie's power
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lamp
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... y'all are terrible exalted fans
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/12/2020 5:27 PM
i'm not an exalted fan
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never even seen a page of that setting
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Yes Lunars get animal transformations - thier animal associations make them the only exalted who get "insect swarms" as a native powerset
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They're also the ones who Exalt by surviving; Solars Exalt by daring to try the impossible, and by inhuman skill, but Lunars just have to survive shit humans weren't meant to survive
17:28
Which of those, exactly, is taylors trigger event
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sdschildberg 05/12/2020 5:28 PM
Hence also why Solars share space elf vibes
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(It's also much easier to fluff "I can shapeshift into things by tasting an animals blood" as a simple specific power than "I have glowy perfection")
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Solars do share space elf vibes yes but most of the worm fandom isn't hardcore eldraeverse fanboys, sadly (edited)
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this needs to change
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Decently good pitches, yeah
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sdschildberg 05/12/2020 5:30 PM
You roll one 20 and keep on rolling
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It's more the daring
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You don't need to have been able to succeed quantifiably - often you tried to do the kind of thing where no number of twenties would help
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Exalting as a solar is more like rolling a natural 100
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On a twenty sided dice
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It comes to a certain kind of person but the effect is profound and potentially worldshaking
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(Also using D&D analogies for Exalted is a cursed image, since exalted is also a TTRPG, and IMO, a much better one)
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But yeah - being a solar is about, on some level, aspiring to excellence, and not giving that up not matter what
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And the new edition in particular is not super big on ascribing hard conditions on exaltation, but even so
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A Solar is active in earning thier power; a Lunar wasn't trying to earn thier power
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They just did, because anything else would have been unthinkable
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Well, earning
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Noone can or should expect an exaltation - it's not like they're predictable
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(Or that people know how to get them, or that they "exist" in the sense that they get quantified)
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Taylor was locked in a locker full of garbage, doesn’t really sound Solar to me. Maybe even Abyssal.
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Yeah she's an awful solar
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Abyssal works well; I like Lunar better but Abyssal is fine
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sdschildberg 05/12/2020 5:40 PM
I swear I remember art of a lunar foxgirl with big floofy tails
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(To be fair the one fic I can remember her Exaltation being done in detail, the point of divergence was her skipping school and ending up in a fistfight with Lung unpowered)
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... that sounds like tattletale
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I would not put it past one of the people with Solar!Taylor to have Lunar!Foxgirl!Tattletale
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/12/2020 6:10 PM
blarg
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I started reading a Destiny Hunter!Taylor recently and it reminded me a lot of eldrae!Taylor, actually
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from "fuck it, lets go dice some evil!", to the cool robot buddy who tragically dies after a week come on
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sdschildberg 05/12/2020 9:21 PM
Also because of taylor with a gun
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gun!Taylor is truly the most terrifying of Taylors
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Don't see many Dragon-Blooded, either.
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(And while Lunar does fit thematically better, it's probably possible to justify Solar on the "I have done the impossible in escaping from all this shit" grounds, although it's a stretch. If you feel like you need justification for that sort of thing, anyway.)
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On eldrae vibes: solarchemicals.
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Also, while the base isn't exalted, in Scaling Up dragon!Taylor was just joined by kitsune!Tattletale, if you're looking for the foxgirl-proximal.
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...or, alternatively, assume some timefuckery and that the actual moment of Solar Exaltation came when she decided to fight Lung and won, which is pretty much a typical SE-catalyzing moment right there.
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I mean no in the grand scheme of things there are lots of foxgirl Tattletales if you're willing to step outside of specifically exalted crossovers - it's sufficiently default symbolism for her as a character that any story which cares to give her animal traits is going to make her a foxgirl and fanfic. And I really should be arguing this point should I
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I mean I've even seen "Rashaka Taylor" as the premise for a fic
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/13/2020 6:28 AM
rakshasa
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A couple of pretty good infernal takes - she makes a good chosen of adorjan
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IDK how to spell it the sourcebook is called "Graceful wicked Masques"
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And also IDK where you're citing from if you're not citing from exalted
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/13/2020 7:05 AM
th mythological rakhasas aren't what you're thinking of I believe
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Taylor, except her power is to transform into arbitrary fursonas
07:07
upside: lots of variety of choices downsides: yes (edited)
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RAKSHA according to my book (edited)
07:10
And no - these are the Fair Folk - the once-formless creatures of gossamer and story that lurk at the edges of reality to devour dreams and seek the undoing of shape and permenance
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/13/2020 7:25 AM
the Fair Folk who are the complete opposite of fair, got it
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xD
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I mean they're very pretty - one of the advantages of being able to write whatever mary-sue body you care to have into existence, rather than having to obtain one the hard way with, like, causal reality
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There's Worm/Nobilis crossover.
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It's by Ryuugi, so it is very awesome, contains ten times as much worldbuilding as text and very, very dead.
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And I haven't read it yet
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BluejayHurricane 05/13/2020 11:59 AM
You can’t tell me things like that. Incredible fiction that will never be resolved breaks my heart.
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I know five authors (but can say off-hand names of two) who are incredible and make stuff that ends stillborn.
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I still want that Nanoha/oldXCom cross to continue, Pale Wolf! You stopped on awesome cliffhanger of crysallids in the base, and now what?
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Liking fanfic means tolerating great stories that will never be finished, yeah
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the latest amusing worm fiction: a blind ghost!Taylor with grab-bag powers being cluelessly horrifying and wondering why everyone is being so quick to surrender while she's inadvertently re-enacting The Ring
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...I was briefly excited before I realized that you probably meant the movie, not the Of The Nibelung.
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(lord of the rings?) also yeah, just the movie. Still, she manages to crawl out of the ceiling. While screaming, and flickering all the lights. And she still doesn't realize it until she sees the video later.
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also scares several children, goes 'bump' in the night, and ruins someone's slow-cooked pork (edited)
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0111narwhalz 05/13/2020 2:08 PM
not the steamed hams
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/13/2020 3:21 PM
never heard that
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must be a shire expression (edited)
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Taylor Hebert had a bad day, and came out of it changed. Some parahumans can control bugs. Some can build advanced technology. Some can do unspeakable things to space and time. Taylor can make magic rings, wondrous metals, mysterious weapons, and may not be a parahuman--or, in...
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Have an Interlude 1.b, folks!
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Well, QA wasted no time there.
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gonna be interesting to see how the dynamic changes with Danny having the itching in the back of his head to go out and fight stuff, while Taylor doesn't
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Queen Administrator may have been feeling a mite irritated at having missed one possible host already today.
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and i bet it doesn't help that the central hub is too busy moping around to read her support tickets
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(well, kinda. Scion wasn't proactive in canon but it's clear from Ward that he at least kept up basic maintenance. He certainly isn't going to investigate what ruined Queenie's fun, at least)
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a out of context quote from another fic, but appropriate all the same: Miss Militia asks, "That was abrupt. Why-" "No. Not till we're back in base, behind the force fields," Debonair says. "I think we have confirmation now that Alchemist has both a thinker and a master power." Miss Militia grumbles, "At this rate, her power set is going to just read 'yes' before much longer." (edited)
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"Armsmaster. I have just two questions for you. Since when did the Dockworkers' Association have power armor? And why am I only hearing about this after they won a three-way gang fight by punching Squealer's latest tank through it?" "I have some more," Assault chimed in. "Why is it better than ours, and where can I get some?"
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Morgrim Moon 05/16/2020 1:48 PM
😂
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"This morning, because no-one thought we needed to watch them until this morning, I would give my second-best halberd for an answer to that question, and according to their press conference, 'Heh. Heh. Wouldn't you like to know?'"
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"And before you ask, the second answer to that last one was, 'Quinn Calle wrote our supplier's nondisclosure. Good luck.'"
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Morgrim Moon 05/16/2020 1:54 PM
it sounds like they are finding out what happens when someone wants to be a hero but the designated heroes make the world's worst first impression on them. Hopefully, Armsmaster is squirming slightly
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"Fine, i'll make my own heros. With blackjack! And ho- uuhh, hoops. Basketball hoops. For our downtime."
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Morgrim Moon 05/16/2020 1:56 PM
embroidery hoops. Be STYLISH heroes with custom designs!
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and it's good therapy
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That, and the official heroes are somewhat beholden to the status quo, after all. Our esteemed protagonist, however, has been convinced in detail that the status is not quo, and thus has awarded herself a Get Away With Escalation Free card.
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you know, i actually read something funny the other day
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it turns out that if you look at it right, Taylor actually didn't escalate all that much
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it was mostly from external causes
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Doesn't that just make it counterescalation?
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sorta, but a good example they point out is she got powers, and basically spent a few months thinking, experimenting, and planning... while actively being bullied
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two big examples where she did were when she fed Alexandria a Bug Brisket, extra rare, and when she said "so help me, you will work together against Scion or i will make you."
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but otherwise... Bakuka started the bombing spree, Coil engineered the takeover, Leviathan was and that led to Echidna...
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(Of course, in this 'verse-sion, she's getting strategic advice from the people who named one of their key military doctrines "Shock and Awesome". ... which doesn't preclude thinking, experimenting, and planning, of course, because those are what you need so that it - and its doctrinal cousins, "Unchallengeable Superiority", "Sustained Initiative" and "Perpetual Preemption" work .)
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aye, escalation is a good strategy to be sure, all the more so when you have abilities with exponential potential like hers.
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if you don't have a army of battle drones to take the place of all those poor capes in the next Behemoth fight, what good is that self replicating tech for, eh?
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and of course, the giant speakers Acoustic Morale Boosters for when you ride into battle in style.
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ABB: "We have Lung!" "We have Dragon. And her brood. Her large, large brood. Basically, you're all fighting in her shade."
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extremely loud thump "Did I mention that she starts out that size?"
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"Is that Armsmaster riding on her neck?"
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"And is he carrying an entire water-tower full of ketchup?"
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Oh, for your entertainment from the slush pile of potential plot paths that won't be taken: Eleutheria looked out over the warehouse of potential new recruits from the recently (mostly) defeated gangs of the Bay, crowds huddling against each wall - ex-Empire to her left, former ABB still in red and green to the right, all keeping an uneasy peace under the eye of her Word Enforcers. Taking a deep breath, she addressed them: "First, stop standing in two groups. I have no patience with your ethnic bullshit; you're going to be working in mixed doubles from now on. If you have problems with that, figure them out now, 'cause you will be scored as a team. "Second, everyone gets implanted, no exceptions. Anyone who doesn't contribute to Episteme's web of knowledge is of no use to us. Door's at the back. "Third, just because we're outlaws doesn't mean that we're bad people. This is not the kind of gang you were previously accustomed to. You won't be flying colors and taking cuts; you'll be wearing damn uniforms and getting paychecks. You will be serving and protecting the people of this city according to My Law. You will not have any side hustles I don't approve of. Moreover, you will be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, cheerful, brave, and clean to an extent that makes the Boy Scouts look like the Merchants. "If you backslide on any of that, you're gonna explode. "If you still want to join up, come to the front. If you don't, get the fuck out of my city."
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Eleutheria, that's a nice name. And Episteme is what Tats decided to go by, I bet.
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a pragmatic choice, recruiting from the former gangs. Removes a gangster and makes a ally at the same time.
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today on 'Good Lines from Random Worm Fics': Curiosity. Fear. "Yeah… You should be afraid. I know I'm fucking terrified," I whispered softly. "We're going to Ellisburg. I'm… I'm going to master Nilbog."
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Taylor fucking escalates like a madwoman
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sdschildberg 05/17/2020 12:32 PM
I love how a near constant complaint about supers is how lazy they are with the status qou
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/17/2020 12:46 PM
it's true in the comic world
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because of the doylist reason that you don't kill the golden goose
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personally i just find it ridiculous when there's things like...
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interplanetary teleporters, and NASA still funds the shuttle program (or alternates in more modern settings)
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status quoing so hard that you could drop basically any normal person into that universe and they'd point out a thousand things to improve within a day.
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/17/2020 12:56 PM
reed richards is useless because the comic world has to stay relatable to our own
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's why I don't think much of superhero comics
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they're soap operas about greek gods
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pretty much yeah
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i've heard them called "new age mythology" or similar and it fits well
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sdschildberg 05/17/2020 1:52 PM
It’s also noticeable how “I want to change the world at all” is a fast track to villany
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Morgrim Moon 05/17/2020 1:54 PM
I suspect because if you change it enough you have to go down an AU, or reset. So easier to claim villany and 'stop' them
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Only comic book heroes are supposed to be moral.
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Or at least they were before "edge" became trendy
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hmm, that same fic the quote came from raises a interesting point
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when you look at the outcomes, Path to Victory arguably has a hidden side goal of "make things worse for humanity along the way"
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or maybe just a general "try to accomplish the opposite of the intent of the path as a side effect of the steps of the path."
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for instance, Lung triggered as a direct result of her actions, and Jack Slash and Co live because of her
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it would make sense, too. Maybe Eden was feeling vindictive when she fettered PtV
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sdschildberg 05/18/2020 10:02 AM
PtV is one of those edgy comics types
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Morgrim Moon 05/19/2020 12:25 PM
random thought: if Taylor's dad has "her" powers, but is more linked to the dockworkers, would controlling crustaceans come to him more naturally than insects?
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!unsilence @Buggy
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Sweetie BOT 05/19/2020 2:23 PM
Unsilenced Buggy.
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Sorry, but avoid excess newlines. It sets off the spam alarm.
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no problem, i didn't realize the formatting was that wonky until i submitted it
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Cursed idea: Worm but every PHO interlude is instead a summary of the past chapters by Memri TV
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/20/2020 8:22 AM
cursed?
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I think u mean hilarious
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PHO is always hilarious. Sometimes it hits a bit close to home, since it's a spitting image of the three boards where you find 99% of worm fanfic, but still hilarious.
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sdschildberg 05/21/2020 11:45 AM
spaghettiandart: “The image that pops into mind whenever I hear the words “khepri bullied scion” ”
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for a moment that picture looked like she was wearing a gold and white Disney Princess Dress
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BluejayHurricane 05/21/2020 11:52 AM
What do you mean gold and white? It’s black and blue.
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0111narwhalz 05/21/2020 11:53 AM
¯—¯
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BluejayHurricane 05/21/2020 11:54 AM
Yes, yes, I’m a horrible person. Still worth it.
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dang image recognition algorithms. Sure they work fairly well but it'd be nice if they were a little less opaque so bugs like this were easier to find.
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sdschildberg 05/21/2020 11:58 AM
Also, in Important Posts Taylor with moths. That is all
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This time in Worm Fics: Amelia with QA's version of a healing power, Taylor with Marquis' power, Alabaster, and a regenerative brute who still feels pain all walk into a endbringer medical tent
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what follows is impressively disturbing.
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and i thought Bonesaw did some disturbing stuff.
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Alabaster singing "springtime for hitler" does not help.
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Springtime for Scion and Entities...
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(Winter for humans and, um, plants?)
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Winter for planets.
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Winter for various alternate Earths
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Brace yourselves... Winter is coming.
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I have no regrets.
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have another worm meme, as a treat
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Fact: Leviathan controls water
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Fact: humans are mostly water.
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I rest my case.
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Foolhardy is he who attacks a hydrokinetic; Dead, he is soon to be. For humans are mostly water, And could be mostly steam. (edited)
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While reading Worm fics, i keep seeing situations where people insist on trying to take in the multiple-mass-murders to trial and i can't help but imagine what someone of the Imperial mindset would do in that situation: "Bakuda! You're cornered and your backup is in custody. Surrender." "Ha, you imbec-" BANG The Wards jumped at the sound, somehow even louder and harsher than a gunshot, as Bakuda's upper half exploded. A red mist outlined a briefly visible fireball, a thin line of light tracing back to... "... Damnit Eleutheria, again?" "Do you know how many people she killed? And was going to? If she twiddled her toes right a hundred people would've lost their heads. That's defense of others clear and thorough." The silence lingered, before Kid Win hesitantly broke it. "Okay, but what about her dead man's switch?" "Don't worry, my analysis and ECM suite picked it up before she even started talking. It's inactive and still being jammed just in case." "Fine, but you get to explain this to Piggot." "Fair enough." (edited)
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What would happen if SS namedropped Taylor on PHO or in an interview?
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In retaliation for Taylor zapping her?
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0111narwhalz 05/28/2020 3:54 PM
on PHO
by the intermission I guess: get banned :V
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taylor: "bruh you made me trigger, don't play the victim"
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How would Armsmaster et al react?
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PHO would delete the post, because the mods are very clear on the No Civilian Identities thing even when capes are not only outed but self-outed. You can’t even “out” New Wave on there.
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As far as everyone else, not a damn thing. After a debut like that, the cat is well and truly out of the bag. Hell, her name’s on the local news already.
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(Although Shadow Stalker would be in for some pretty heavy-handed disciplinary action for trying to break the rules.) (edited)
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sdschildberg 05/28/2020 8:47 PM
something something "we post as our capesonas on PHO"
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More “Are you trying to start a fucking war in the Bay, you idiot sandwich?”
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Shadow Stalker: "Yes"
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“You win a free transfer to patrolling the Ellisburg containment zone. Fuck up like this again, and you get a free transfer to inside the Ellisburg containment zone.”
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knowing shadow stalker, she probably masturbates to a war in the bay tbh
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Enderminion 05/29/2020 2:36 PM
she's also a minor so....
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glances at half of all Worm fiction in existence (edited)
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Server policy: Tasteless as it may be in this particular case, as long as it’s not explicit, I think we can all stand the implication that one doesn’t actually need to be all aged and government-stamped to whip out a quick solo on the pants piano. (edited)
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Or even a duet.
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0111narwhalz 05/29/2020 4:41 PM
that is… a new one
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Author!
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0111narwhalz 05/29/2020 4:42 PM
And worthy of the title :V
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today on worm fics: A creative way to kill Scion; sandblasting his brain by connecting him directly to the Tyranid Hivemind.
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effective, but make sure to wear good ear plugs
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Would the Transcend be able to subdue Scion in the same manner, if that became necessary?
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i doubt they'd need to. Scion is kinda... stupid.
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I bet a well-designed moonbrain-version of a computer virus might do the trick (edited)
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sdschildberg 05/31/2020 3:19 PM
Plug his brain into anything even bigger brain than him
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How would the Transcend probably go about subduing Scion, directly or otherwise?
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"creatively outthink him" is probably the best bet all-around, since that's what he sucks at. So, infowar of some sort.
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sdschildberg 05/31/2020 3:20 PM
Hit em with a “this statement is false”
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0111narwhalz 05/31/2020 3:53 PM
"don'tthinkaboutitdon'tthinkaboutit"
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@Tassadar By sending someone the needful to deal with him, obvs. 😆
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Crack: Transcend defeats scion specifically by submitting job application to be the new Thinker Entity
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...this is canon now
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sdschildberg 05/31/2020 6:30 PM
Scion is defeated by trying to play GRUPS
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In today’s contemplations: how writing Bitch changes if you update her to current understanding of canine cognition, rather than the old alpha-dominance model.
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yeah that always did strike me as a bit odd. Maybe she didn't end up thinking more like a dog, but rather more like what she thought dogs thought like.
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(that still wouldn't explain why she was so good with dogs if she was going about it wrong, but maybe she has a low-key thinker or master power or something)
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Morgrim Moon 06/01/2020 2:42 AM
dogs tend to run a lot on body language. If she got the body language correct, it doesn't matter why she thought she was doing it, it still works
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"doing this shows I am the alpha" vs "doing this shows I know what I am doing"
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today, on worm fics:
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Taylor becomes a spider. A actual spider
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to sum it up: BOSS (Accounting for sudden pitch shift): [sounds of distress] VISTA: [sounds of distress] CONSOLE: [sounds of distress] AEGIS: [sounds of distress] S.STALKER: [sounds of distress]
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sdschildberg 06/01/2020 1:41 PM
something something spiderman
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spiderman
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except without the man
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spider.
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Taylor riding the bus to school before triggering
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taylor: wow, i have a great life the fucking bullies:
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more worm memes because im bored and waiting for cerb to write the next chapter already
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"Eleutheria!" "Yeah?" "Did you turn Bitch into a dog!?" "....yes?" "Why?" "Because she asked me to." "Of course she did."
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Bitch is a furry
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Well her original name was Myne...
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:P
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today, on Worm Fics:
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"Oh, god. They figured out the first step in a gun that shoots Skitters."
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Okay, share link to that one.
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technically it's a forum post in response to a chapter, but lemme find it
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Heromaker's Legacy Story Index: Free Week [1.1] [1.2] [1.3] [1.4] [1.5] Back to School [2.1] [2.2] [2.3] [2.4] [2.5] Weekend 1/3 [3.1] [3.2] [3.3] [3.4] [3.5] [3.6] [3.7] Weekend 2/3 [4.1] [4.2] [4.3] [4.4] [4.5] [4.6] Weekend 3/3 [5.1] [5.2] [5.3] [5.4] Building [6.1] [6.2] ...
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and the specific post is, uh...
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Heromaker's Legacy 13.4 Jan 29, 2011 Taylor walked slowly around the cave, now that Shelob had sent her children scurrying back to their webs so they could show them off to her. Some of them looked like relatively normal webs, although of course they were not orb-webs like m...
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Skitter preparing for combat, ca. 2011, colorized:
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BizarroLand ♀ 06/10/2020 2:09 PM
I'm not looking at that image any more than I have to. (edited)
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now you know how everyone but Skitter feels
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I remember a wormfic somewhere where Taylor wasn't doing the combat-urge thing and just went around helping farmers and improving her personal life and keeping beehives in her jacket to protect them and it was adorable
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not familiar with that one, but glassmaker is along similar lines
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there's literally no fight scenes at all
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Glassmaker is legit great!
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This one I think had, like, one mundane mugging with BEEEES
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"I will not clone Thinker brains, merge them into an abomination of nature, and keep them in a vat of life-support fluid just to be able to say I have a literal think tank."
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Morgrim Moon 06/12/2020 1:12 PM
far better to take ONE Thinker brain, preferably from a dying Thinker who can later offer post-dated consent, put them in a vat of life-support fluid, and then apply Tinker skills to build a sherman tank around it
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Ha!
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@Overmind cursed image: e!Taylor writing that on a blackboard over and over again ala Simpsons intro (edited)
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"Eleutheria." "What?" "Eleutheria." "...It's not like they were whole brains. Mostly just the Pollentia and Gemma. Verifiably not-sophont!" "Eleutheria." "I got consent first!" (edited)
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Is that the canonical name for e!Taylor now?
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it sounds pretty nice
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much better than space elf princess
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but is it canon yet?
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Nothing's canon until it's published, but unless I have a radically better idea before the next part is done, it will be canon.
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Those who enjoy guessing games - well, @Buggy already guessed Episteme, but feel free to have a guess at the except-with-this-group identities of, say, Arete, Cosmos, Euterpe, Eupraxis, Nike, Phoebe, Planetes, and Pythia. (Yes, Team Space Elf Princess is leaning hard on the Greek, in preference to using names from a language only one person on the planet currently speaks. And, no, this isn't a guarantee that any of them will actually happen, since I'm pantsing hard here.)
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Some are more obvious than others.
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Or, y'know, speculate wildly about possible other poaching and what names might be used. As you like, really.
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Pandora? Because her tinker abilities/capabilities could open up a veritable Pandora’s Box, and Pandora was also extremely beautiful?
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BizarroLand ♀ 06/13/2020 8:47 PM
that wouldnt work for another reason
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Other names for other potential recruits, I was meaning.
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Tattletale is Pythia?
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don't most of them have pre-existing names they would just keep?
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New team, new brand. Got to fit the theme, and all that. (Especially when you may be keeping your old name for use elsewhere, say if this is your secret secret identity. 🙂 )
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Morgrim Moon 06/14/2020 10:56 AM
I'm reminded of how, in the smarter comics, lots of people joke that Clark Kent looks like a bit like Superman. But everyone knows Superman's real name is Kal El, and that he lives in the Fortress of Solitude, and that he doesn't have an alternate identity, so it's mostly a long running joke
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if you're only expected to have two identities, people stop looking after two
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0111narwhalz 06/14/2020 11:07 AM
a cunning plan
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sdschildberg 06/14/2020 11:33 AM
We’re using our codier names
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@NHO For these purposes, she's Episteme.
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without checking wikipedia to see if i'm remembering my greek gods right: Cosmos - Grue, cause he spreads darkness, and space is dark Planetes - ... Rune? I mean, obviously this team is more than just the Undersiders, and Rune doesn't buy into the philosophy that much IIRC. Also, she makes stuff orbit her, like planets. Pythia - Pythia sounds like "pyth" which is some sort of medical-related invasive thing, so... maaybe Panacea? That might be pushing it a bit though. NIke - Chariot. Who else would be named after a brand of shoes.
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0111narwhalz 06/14/2020 12:28 PM
pith is also the spongy tissue inside of herbaceous stems
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Dinah is second choice for Oracle of Delphi
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Answers, for those wondering: (None of which are necessarily canonical, just me throwing ideas at the wall to see what sticks. But spoiler-protected anyway for those who care.) Cosmos - cosmogonically, represents the ordered universe as opposed to chaos. Therefore Accord, or possibly Citrine. Euterpe - the Muse of song. Canary. Eupraxis - "good work". Danny. Euergon ("good labor") would be better, but no bugger could pronounce it. Nike - seriously, she was the Greek goddess of Victory . Thought I was being really obvious, there. But shoes may be a problem, hence alternate possibility of Arete for Victoria. Panacea - is already on theme, conveniently. Or inconveniently. Phoebe - literally "radiant, bright" and an epithet of the goddess of the moon, the moon being associated with dreams, hence Laserdream. Planetes - Squealer, because I am totally stealing this characterization - https://archiveofourown.org/works/11392470/chapters/25565397 - for reasons of inspiration. Pythia - here I was being deliberately obscure. The name of the Oracle comes from the original name of Delphi, which in turn comes from the monstrous serpent or Dragon which Apollo slew there.
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i guessed none of that, but mythology isn't my specialty. Some of that is pretty surprising, Squealer especially. (also i originally guessed Episteme from context)
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also, it's going to be interesting how they'll be perceived. In Amelia, it was brought up that naming themselves after gods sort of implies that they, uh, thought ambitiously. Or were a bit crazy.
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sdschildberg 06/16/2020 5:21 PM
ambition over sanity
I mean, given who’s putting the crew together...
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instead, the conversation is going to be something like: "Gods?" "No, we're not Gods. I was born to loving, but mortal, parents. If you shot me, I'd stay dead for at least a little while. And I'm quite powerful, but..." "Okay, okay. We're not Gods because we don't have our heads stuck up our asses. That, if anything, is what defines a God. Frankly, spitting image otherwise, but if you decide to start worshipping us then it won't be heads that end up in your asses, got it?"
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wow, reading Copacetic has really driven the point home about how different Taylor is starting out vs after gold morning
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she's basically the badass veteran survivor/action movie character who has shrugged off injuries to the point of being cut in half and can legitimately claim to have killed a angry god
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unrelated:
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lmao
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BizarroLand ♀ 06/20/2020 3:02 PM
who's the guy in black
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i think that might be contessa
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definitely; her Path To Be The Only Cape Who Wears A Fedora guarantees that
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neckbeard contessa confirmed?
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Morgrim Moon 06/20/2020 3:33 PM
nah, that was a classic hat of american mobsters before the neckbeards took it up
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BizarroLand ♀ 06/20/2020 5:04 PM
the fedora is old timey enough to look classic but sharp enough to be appealing to modern youths
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that's why neckbeards like it so much
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it's "cool" if you have a total fashion deficiency as admittedly most humans do
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the key that gets missed is the Fedora cannot by itself reach the stage of actually looking cool, it has to be supported by the rest of the outfit.
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t-shirts don't cut it
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suit and tie often can
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And it needs to be a real fedora, not a trilby
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oh wow, a PSA for anyone who ever reads anything on fanfiction.net This button right here?
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it toggles from "MY EYES" mode to light text on dark background
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i had to go through a whole process with skins and stuff to do the same thing on AOUR, its very refreshing to have this built-in already
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what worm fanfic is that
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a tale of transmigration
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oh?
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haven't heard of that one
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do you have a link
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thank
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basically, Contessa apparently took Khepri very literally when she said "I would do things differently" and sent her straight back to the locker
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or something.
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i'm on literally the first chapter so i dunno
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sdschildberg 06/20/2020 7:56 PM
Darkmode has accessibility implications, and ergo should really be aded to text-reading websites
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 06/20/2020 9:06 PM
Someone with a big hammer needs to explain that to Google
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i dunno, i think a flashlight would be better than a hammer
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a very bright flashlight https://i.imgur.com/czaQThN.gif
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directly into the eyes, for maximum illustrative effect
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sdschildberg 06/20/2020 9:20 PM
add dark mode add alt text it's literally a medical thing
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Y’all know you can force dark mode for web sites on Edge and presumably also other Chromium-based browsers, right?
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enable-force-dark flag.
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Morgrim Moon 06/21/2020 12:04 AM
it's wonky on some websites though. Links in particular have a habit of becoming hard to see, in my experience
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for some reason, i have a ongoing temptation to write a Worm/Orions Arm crossover
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which, in reality, would just be a one-shot where a superintelligence got dumped on the planet somehow and woken up, and then for the next 30 minutes things happen very quickly and everyone is very confused and then Zion dies.
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I've had a similar temptation, except using a ___ spore instead of a full superintelligence. Similar end result, longer to get there.
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"___" spore?
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like uh, a spore to some sort-of von neumann clade or some such? like a tyrannid spore or a replicator spore or such?
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It's an OA clade- a specific individual who decided to achieve immortality through massive redundancy, by dispersing self replicating 'spores' of themself as widely as they possibly could.
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i vaguely recall reading about that. I thought the ___ was just a blank, but if there's a "/|\/|\" clade
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It's supposed to be just a space, but I didn't like the idea of just hitting spacebar a bunch.
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makes sense
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the woes of trying to type creative alternate-medium names in text
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oh, i almost forgot to share the link to the article after reading through it
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Huh. Also kind of wish LandingZone did more art. His stuff is good, but he's not available for work sadly.
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i'm not even sure who he is, searching for him didn't return any results beyond a few other articles with images he contributed.
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maybe he's a forumgoer; OA does have that weird and annoying registration-locked forum. As in, you can't read it unless you register.
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(unrelated, but i'm left wondering if there's any connection between that article and DataPackRat, the guy who wrote 'Weirdtopia'.)
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huh, i wonder why it didn't show up easily on google?
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Morgrim Moon 06/25/2020 12:42 PM
you can set your dA settings to avoid crawlers
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ah, makes sense
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and it probably didn't help that i searched something like "orions arm landing zone" because just searching "landing zone" would be spectacularly unhelpful
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(unrelated, but i'm left wondering if there's any connection between that article and DataPackRat, the guy who wrote 'Weirdtopia'.)
@Buggy Yeah, that is one of his articles
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probably also because his nick is one word, not two
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He also created that bunny caretaker plague
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yeah, it took me a while to get to his bios but his name on packrat's website matches the OA contributor
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bunny caretaker plague.
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okay, i can guess what that is from context, but that's still three words that you'd never expect in sequence
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Oh, it’s literally called “the bunny plague” https://orionsarm.com/eg-article/4c4364568f787
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Worm be like
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Enderminion 06/26/2020 2:17 PM
Random wormfic idea I had, Uber and Leet replaced by Bill and Ted
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@Enderminion Dewit (edited)
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Enderminion 06/26/2020 2:44 PM
I've never written anything, ever
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0111narwhalz 06/26/2020 2:44 PM
there's a first for everything, hm?
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Terrible fic idea: Donald Trump triggers as a Trump. He gives out the best powers. Yuge. Tremendous. He's too useful for the final battle to quietly dispose of, but meanwhile the Protectorate have an epic PR problem that cannot be persuaded to stop shitposting on PHO. Can Alexandria die from an aneurysm? Will Glenn Chambers trigger from the stress? Can Contessa resist the temptation of "path to making him shut the fuck up forever?" This, and more, on That Worm Fic You Never Wanted To Read.
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(I declare this not politics on the grounds that he could have literally any politics at all without it detracting from the asshole-nature.)
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Trigger event: Having to drink water with both hands
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meanwhile, Contessa: "Path to convincing Bonesaw to sew his mouth shut."
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afterwards, everyone else: "Oh no. What a tragedy. How terrible."
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BluejayHurricane 06/28/2020 11:39 PM
Master subrating: convincing people to put up with the bs
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For bureaucratic reasons, he ended up getting a higher master rating than his trump rating.
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Yep. Bureaucratic reasons. Definitely not so that most people can avoid meeting him, and the few who have to can submit themselves to master/stranger isolation to escape.
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His master rating comes with a special inverted-effect note: the closer you come to meeting him, the less well it works.
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this causes a bit of a panic in the PRT, because that means almost everyone on the planet is influenced by it.
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this panic quickly subsides, as they all realize that the only way to effectively plan around it would be to do it shortly before meeting him.
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on a unrelated note, this worm fic is... something. It's like some sort of combo between a slow motion trainwreck, a serious crackfic, and a comedy
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but it somehow manages to put something memorable into pretty much every third paragraph.
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like, here's a example. This is just from the chapter i'm on, it's not even the best snippet overall: I was pulled from my ruminations on the wonders and evils of cattle by Mumbles. She had been randomly saying some rude things for the past few days. She'd called Bakuda a narcissist and received an apple to the face for it, She had said something to Sophia about being dominated and I had to save her from getting her throat torn out, and she now sat in front of Alabaster singing about how everyone is food until he started crying again. (edited)
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Parahuman powers come in many shapes and forms, depending on the situation and the state of mind that the individual is in at the time. While trapped in the locker, Taylor focuses less on getting out and more on how she could prevent a repeat of the event. The first three cha...
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My own footnote of the day: "Some months later, Taylor would have the opportunity to observe Lung in a pink fluffy bathrobe, with matching slippers. She stands by her statement of this time, regardless."
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if there's anyone who can pull off a pink bathrobe and slippers, it's a frikkin dragon
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"I bet you've got some Thinker in you." "No, but I'd like to have -- OH SHIT DID I SAY THAT OUT LOUD?"
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TT to Taylor after they meet in the cafe?
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(which would be the next chapter, more-or-less)
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(the context being, i would guess, TT deducing "you're a blaster, holy fuck that's a lot of tinker, and i bet you've got some thinker in you.") (edited)
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("seriously though go easy on the tinker, i can hear Armsmaster's halbeard shrinking from here")
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...not actually a real quote, but my brain's way of telling me I should maybe stop writing and go to sleep. (edited)
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ah, but all the best stuff is written while horribly sleep deprived
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but yeah probably, sleep is nice.
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Enderminion 06/29/2020 3:33 PM
0/10 Contessa doesn't win enough
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fact: Cauldron Vials were (partially) made by Contessa
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fact: Eidolon got his powers from a Cauldron Vial
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fact: The Simurgh was made by Eidolon.
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conclusion: The Simurgh is a Contessa plot.
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i rest my case.
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My God
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How could we have been so blind?
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BluejayHurricane 06/29/2020 9:17 PM
Path to Victory is not Path to Victory Without Side Effects
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some might suggest, considering the last minute modifications Eden made and the substantial number of side effects, that it might even be the Path to Victory With Vindictive Side Effects
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BizarroLand ♀ 06/29/2020 10:18 PM
PtV is best superpower
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anywhere
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fight me
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An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
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...and edited, because I forgot the footnotes.
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a thinker-thinker negotiation, beautiful.
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Eventually, Scion will suffocate from all the smug-smog.
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they never even have to fight him, he just flees the oncoming smug-pocalypse
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BizarroLand ♀ 06/30/2020 8:59 AM
so Worm isn't in the recommends but I take it most of us at least liked it 😅
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Including Fearless Commander :y
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Morgrim Moon 06/30/2020 9:01 AM
Eh. I... don't, really, despite knowing Wildbow. It's a little too bleak for my tastes. There's some good fanfic for it though
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I'm interested in it, but it's several million words or something so I've been scared off reading it.
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BizarroLand ♀ 06/30/2020 9:05 AM
A little less than 1.4mln right
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I like all of Wildbow's stuff, Worm, Pact, Twig. Also Ward I suppose.
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Not a fan of worm
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wormfic is often good though
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How would Simurgh interact with E!Taylor power-wise?
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i'm not sure what basis her tinker-copying works on, specifically
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it might be just communication with nearby tinker shards, inwhich case she'd get bupkus.
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or she might use her individual-specific precognition to look at a person's possible futures, watch them build something, and then just do that herself (edited)
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in that case, it'd be effective as far as that precognition works... which is quite possibly not far at all given that E!Taylor will/does specifically compromise the methods shards are using for precognition.
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(or maybe her precognition is just so silly powerful that she can see possible futures where she builds just about anything. And because she's jobbing it in regards to her other abilities, she just pretends that she's just copying nearby tinkers.)
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As soon as the Simurg notices blatent Tinker tech that she -lacks- shard-data on, that's likely to be extra interesting.
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of course, that raises a interesting question: would she be on E!Taylor's side?
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strictly speaking, she isn't actually serving the Entities' purposes; Eidolon summoned her after all, so whenever she isn't playing the role of monster for the hero to slay, she actually seems to be working towards killing Scion
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her Interlude suggests that Khepri was, in large part, a Simurgh Plot. (edited)
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of course, what she does afterwards in the sequel is less clear. I haven't finished it, but apparently she basically tries to become the new hub/entity in place of Scion/Eden
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Ah, a smugularity
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Soon all of Earth Bet will be sucked in, leaving only a smug hole in its place
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oh no
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if the Simurgh is indirectly on their side, that means her smug is going to come into play too
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the universe can't take this much smug in one place, it'll cause a Smug Vacuum Collapse!
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0111narwhalz 06/30/2020 12:52 PM
simurgh
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BizarroLand ♀ 06/30/2020 1:09 PM
simurgh is keikaku incarnate
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"that sure is a nice plan to end world hunger you got there, Accord."
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"would be a shame if you ended up running into the Travelers who were fed up with Cody, so they gave him to you, and you got fed up with him so you sold him to the Chinese, who brainwashed the fuck out of him, and then he ends up deployed to New Delhi near you when my bro Behemoth shows up--" (edited)
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Also, shouldn’t E!Taylor be a Mover/Blaster, not a Mover/Breaker?
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yep, this line seems to be a typo because she was repeatedly referred to as a mover/blaster in prior sentences: So, say you recruit me as a Mover/Breaker with only very minor Tinker skills, and anything that that won’t hide I bury deep, or disguise as another Tinker’s work.
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Ooh, good catch. I fix.
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I can’t wait till the next update!!! So Hyped!
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0111narwhalz 06/30/2020 3:16 PM
give 'em a chapter and they'll take a book V:
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(For our purposes here, the Simurgh's tinker-fu comes from having, essentially, privileged access to the combined, unredacted databases of all the tinker shards in the live network; i.e., could emulate anything a Scion-shard Tinker could build. In theory, if there was an Eden-shard Tinker who had tech in his database that no Scion-shard had, she couldn't emulate that, because (a) those shards aren't part of the same network, and (b) those shards don't have a functional hub to validate them any more anyway.)
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(But this may not be relevant, because I don't remember any Eden-shard Tinkers off the top of my head. Anyone?)
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(Oh. Trainwreck.)
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Hero?
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deceased, obviously, but presumably he was a cauldron cape.
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(especially since he seems to have gotten Eden's version of the golden frequency shard a-la Scion, manifested as a tinker ability)
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huh, interesting. I just checked and those two are apparently the only two Cauldron tinkers in canon
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(that we are shown, anyway.)
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i wonder if there are any natural Eden tinkers around; or for that matter, natural Eden triggers at all
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she was certainly distributing shards before she crashed, and Ward shows that apparently the loss of the hub doesn't stop triggers, so we ought to see some of them around
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ah, yep there are. Vikare was natural Eden trigger, according to the Scion interlude
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Leet is suspected to be a natural Eden trigger, but there's no direct WoG confirmation
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BizarroLand ♀ 06/30/2020 4:23 PM
Both Eden and Scion had enough shards to give out to last the 300-year cycle
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Presumably enough to last the generations of billions of people until 2300 or thereabouts
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they are apparently "galaxy mass" although hard information about shard and entity size is sparing
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even if each shard covers the entire surface of a planet in several dimensions, that's... a lot of shards
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BizarroLand ♀ 06/30/2020 4:27 PM
trillions of shards apparently
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that's a fuckton
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Enderminion 06/30/2020 6:36 PM
Leet
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"I'm here to tell your viewers not to be concerned by the line you can see being drawn across the surface of the moon. That's ours, a pure anti-Endbringer weapon based on mass driver principles. We call it the Behemoth-Fucker." "The Behemoth-Fucker? Really?" "Yeah, sorry. This is why we now have a policy against letting Imp name things."
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In other wanted fics: the one in which Taylor gets a tinker shard and is a fan of classic science fiction television, leading to Leviathan being bum-rushed by pepperpot-shaped robots screaming "EXTERMINATE!"
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BluejayHurricane 07/03/2020 2:52 PM
See, I sort of feel that would warrant an immediate kill order. If only because anyone who thought building Daleks was a good idea should probably be stopped as soon as possible.
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Heh. Oh, probably, yes.
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I'd also take anyone who triggered with a human Master power repeatedly introducing themselves with "I am the Master and you will obey me! "
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well, there is the one where she gets a swarm-drone tinker power and becomes Lord Doom
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(not the guy from the comics)
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“LORD DOOM AGREES. TELL LORD DOOM SOMETHING, ARE YOU UP TO DATE ON THE SLANG OF THE YOUTH?” “Can’t say I am, I’m a bit past all that,” Manpower was still tugging at his arm. This had stopped being funny, he braced himself against the street and prepared to give a solid pull with his full strength. If Lord Doom was holding him with actual human hands, he’d probably be getting some broken bones. Before he could pull himself free, he was yanked up by his arm, something inhumanely strong inside the cloak using it as a lever to pick him up. “YEET,” the booming voice said, very solemnly. Lord Doom spun around and let go; Manpower was thrown across the street, his flight coming to an abrupt end as he smashed into a wall, a shower of broken bits of brick covering him.
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@Buggy this is the best
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link now
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The basic plot is an alternate trigger for Taylor. The locker never happened but the bullying didn't stop. Taylor triggers later, as a Tinker with Master elements. Seeing as she has the Queen-Administrator shard, that means a Tinker with a specialization for a bunch of tiny dr...
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thank u
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today, on worm fics:
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the Simurgh is teleported to Silent Hill. No one is really sure whether this is a good thing or a bad thing.
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I feel like thats gonna be a swift hostile takeover
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sdschildberg 07/03/2020 10:03 PM
wasn't there a shard which was magic therapy?
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heartbreaker, if he wasn't super evil?
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0111narwhalz 07/03/2020 10:04 PM
imagine super powers genuinely being used to help people
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laughs in Entity
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The Endbringers as parents
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I have so many memes
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This is painfully accurate
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I have done nothing but wish for worthy opponents for the last 20 years
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unrelated, a off-the-cuff scene from the completely ridiculous Orions Arm/Worm oneshot that i may some day write: The Undersiders were relaxing in the loft; Alec has robed Brian into one of his games, and was winning handily even when he wasn't cheating. Lisa was sitting on the couch, studiously ignoring them while she went over some documents for the boss, and Bitch was in another room grooming her dogs. They weren't expecting trouble, and so they definitely weren't expecting it when a glowing blob suddenly materialized next to the TV. In a instant, Brian was on his feet and spreading his darkness, Alec stumbled over himself trying to get up, and Lisa... Lisa was staring. And staring. Brian started forward, only for Lisa to hurriedly hold out a hand to stop him. Looking over, she looked... scared? And horrified, and elated, and confused? She was shifting between expressions like she was taking a pummeling from Gallant. And all the while, she just kept staring. Somehow, the featureless blob of colors was staring back. "SCION IS A SPACE WHALE." Lisa blinked and winced. A portion of the blob congealed into a cylinder and floated to Lisa, who wasted no time in taking it and jabbing it into her neck. Relieved, she just... kept... staring. Alec, at this point, had gotten bored and returned to his game. Brian was still standing, and couldn't decide whether Lisa had gone insane or been mastered. Bitch hadn't heard the blob, apparently, because she was still in the back room. After what had to to be a eternity, Lisa nodded and sat back down at the couch. The blob didn't change in the slightest, but it clearly smiled anyway.
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written in 15 minutes and posted immediately, like all my other snippets, so it's probably not very refined. (edited)
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Morgrim Moon 07/03/2020 10:54 PM
I'm reading that Lord Doom fic and cackling out loud at him stealing Armsmaster's bike
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it is awesomeness
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Morgrim Moon 07/03/2020 10:58 PM
on the other hand, 'his' threat rating just leapt up the ranking XD
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"Downside: can steal Tinker tech. Upside: is apparently no better at USING it than a baseline. Downside: managed to survive that crash despite this. Upside: Armsmaster is going to put in so much voluntary overtime to catch this guy now"
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Dragon: "Damnit, and I was hoping I could convince him to sleep this week."
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lol
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LORD DOOM is great, you should totally read it
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Morgrim Moon 07/04/2020 1:09 AM
I just finished it
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and yes, "sudden escalation" seems to be Taylor's trademark, no matter what powers she has
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BizarroLand ♀ 07/04/2020 1:40 AM
you guys ever notice how Colin has two right hands in that picture
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a left hand CANNOT bend that way
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it CANNOT
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try sticking your left arm out like that and then holding something in that posture
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0111narwhalz 07/04/2020 1:42 AM
not even that
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thumb's on the correct side for a right hand
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BizarroLand ♀ 07/04/2020 1:42 AM
well he's definitely anatomically correct post-Leviathan
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I still think his skin looks really grey though
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Not gonna lie I spent most of my time picturing him mentally as Judge Dredd
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I'm amused that whenever I see Alexandria I flash back to the Aliens universe.
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Dunno. I'm pretty happy with this disease. Includes more boom.
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BluejayHurricane 07/04/2020 11:42 AM
I just finished reading Lord Doom, and wow, that was one of the best endings for anything I’ve ever seen.
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Thus begins the tale of Lady Taylor of house Hebert: knight, brigand, infant-slayer, rogue
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Worm power idea: A blaster ability, you attack people by making puns involving their name. The more unpleasant they'd find the pun, the stronger the attack.
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Chubster is still in the hospital.
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Enderminion 07/05/2020 9:05 PM
sounds like a DnD Bard
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Sounds like Irish mythology.
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“...got run over by a crappy purple Scion...”
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Yes! I understood that reference!
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Created to stop the nagging mostly. I'd happily carve my writing on a bathroom wall if I had a screwdriver. I guess I'll now have to figure out how to use threadmarks and such. But for now, this will do. Ahem. When people make 'Fics, they go about it in a bevy of ways. S...
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a counterpart to "With Friends Like These..."
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Armsmaster and Dragon argue about their PR cartoon depictions, Squealer is secretly a normal person (who makes calls using a brick cellphone with a ripcord-started nuclear reactor), and the Simurgh steals a sandwich from Kid Win.
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oh, and Zombie Tattlesnake.
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It's a interesting combination of sane and well-developed people reacting to a bizarre situation.
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How goes Timeo Eldraeos et Dona Ferentes? (edited)
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Enderminion 07/08/2020 9:58 PM
Doctor Evil Horrible is a better hero than GG
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Captain Hammer's pretty great as well
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Hey, if she needs a hammer, she's got Panacea for that...
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(List-fic concept: "101 Things That The Hammer Is Not".)
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Enderminion 07/09/2020 8:48 PM
Yeah the tweet is straight out of Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog
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like, word for word
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Also Captain Hammer is as good a hero as GG
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what with smashing the remote control for a stolen car
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while the car was in motion
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Morgrim Moon 07/09/2020 9:55 PM
I want to buy Dr Horrible but it's no longer legally available in Australia and argh
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Yeah, I was riffing on that. Perhaps a little obscurely.
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@Tassadar Goes like this: “Okay, Taylor, new house rule: if you’re going to build any more S-class threats that will make our paranoid, hostile to capes PRT director call for our immediate Birdcaging, ask me first .” “Sorry, Lisa.” “Also, you owe me a new microwave.”
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hmm, so whatever it was, it was probably constructed from the microwave, or damaged it as a result of its operation...
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my first thought would be a self-replicating... anything, that got to the microwave before they hit the 'off' button
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Wait for next chapter... 😉
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ah, but i love a good puzzle
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fair enough though, there are a lot of things it could be
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ooh, i know! A materials-scavenging bot that didn't quite have the whole "scrap" identification worked out. She'd want one of those early on.
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needed a booster magnetotron and repurposed the kitchen one
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The perfect cleaning device. I look at the thing, cobbled together from pieces of our microwave, a broken plasma T.V. I found on the sidewalk near King's Hill, my radio, a half dozen cheap digital watches, and various and sundry bits and ends. Sunny theme - Taylor and the Gang build a autowar army
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This is basically a worm fanchannel now
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Right now, I'm mostly a fan of the username "Dagny Hashtaggart".
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hah. that's not bad at all.
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Awful idea - Gatcha game but it's all au versions of Taylor from different fics
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Morgrim Moon 07/16/2020 11:27 PM
Canon as Taylor as a Master. And a large percentage of fics have her as a Tinker. Are there many with her as other types?
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uhh, off the top of my head: there's one where she's a... shaker, i think it would be. Functionally, her power is to be a spooky horror movie ghost. Another where she's a telekinetic mime, which is probably a bit of blaster and shaker. Haven't read that one so i don't know more. One where she gets Marquis' power, which is changer/shaker...
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and that's some of the more straightforward ones, there are fics ranging from her becoming a skin-covered portal to a Lovecraftian Space and she makes friends with a Shoggoth, to a fic where she turns into a ecosystem and very very quickly loses touch with humanity, to one where she gets the power to eat glass and other things and can chew it like gum to make it into very useful and valuable materials (e.g. barbecue coals become graphene)
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if you want i can put together a proper list with links, just let me know
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0111narwhalz 07/16/2020 11:39 PM
ō.o
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oh, there's also various thinker!Taylors, like one where QA is geared more for providing information in something like a cross between Jack Slash's power and a Trump power, and Cauldron recruits her straight off the bat because she's invaluable for making better serums. And there's one where she becomes a telekinetic precog tinker brute. AKA the Simurgh... lite. Rather powerful but still interesting and well written.
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hmm... not many stranger Taylors now that i think about it
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after looking, yeah, there are very few stranger!Taylor fics out that.
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nothing well-regarded as far as i can tell
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are Stranger powers just hard to write?
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Yeah I think it's pretty hard to come up with interesting stranger-primary powers
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There are plenty of powersets that get effective stranger effects as a secondary esp in the more crossover-y domains
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QA is geared more for providing information in something like a cross between Jack Slash's power and a Trump power, and Cauldron recruits her straight off the bat because she's invaluable for making better serums. Oddly I'm pretty sure there are at least two fics for which this is an accurate description
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And then, of course Scale To Threat/Evolve Against Threat rage dragon Taylor (That then wondorously acquired POWER OF CRAWLER in her second trigger)
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even just plain crawler!taylor is pretty interesting
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a combination of a very useful power and "WHAT HAVE I BECOME?!"
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I have a preference for fics where taylor gets powers which don't make all of her issues exponentially worse
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Though now I'm imagineing "Crawlers power but for emotional/mental problems"
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... technically, taken to a extreme, isn't that a brute power for your brain and brain alone?
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adapation/regeneration from emotional problems and trauma, master effects, and literal brain damage (as that would cause mental issues). But immunity to brain damage taken to a extreme is a brute power that only affects your brain.
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...which would be pretty high on the "wow this power sucks" list if you ever got into a situation where you really needed a brute brain
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Someone better have informed that shard how humans are supposed to work in exactly the same way someone didn't explain that to Crawler's.
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Otherwise that's going to come up with the ICE BLUESHIFT adaptation very quickly indeed.
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Bullies causing excessive mental stress and depression? Can fix, my host! Here, have a free mental adaptation that lets you take any actions you want to make the cause stop without causing any additional trauma. Am I not awesome?
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Taylor: <murderizes everyone from literal Nazis to people who chew popcorn loudly in the next row>
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I am literally the greatest shard ever!
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though, i suppose there are worse things than rational... sociopathy? psychopathy? There's not a exact analogue i suppose.
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Jack Slash: I am oddly aroused by this. Taylor: <murderizes Jack Slash>
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oh no now i have to listen to Broadcast complain
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Yeah, but there's a reason you give really extensive training in conscious ethics to people who get that particular adaptation before you give it to them.
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this is true, while more-or-less participating in normal society is the rational choice 'cause getting away with lots of murder is hard and not getting away with it has consequences, there's no guarantee that someone new to it would think that through.
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Just the sympathy-stripping/focused pseudosociopathy that the implant, or in this case the shard, induces, and you will be completely incapable of seeing any reason why solving the problem of "a line at the ATM" by "slitting throats" is a bad idea. At least if there aren't inconvenient non-murderizable witnesses.
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Now, throw in those effects plus the shard-induced conflict drive? Oh, my.
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...ironically, while the ah, collateral damage would be rather substantial, you'd at least get a proper response to the neo-nazi gang out of it.
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the gang where the initiation for members is to brutalize a minority for the non-capes, and kill one for the capes.
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there are plus sides to not caring the slightest bit about the opinions of the PRT and why those opinions insist on going soft on murderous nazis (edited)
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sdschildberg 07/17/2020 6:57 PM
“Canned supervillain”: the shard
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reminds me of Night!Taylor
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her first act as a hero is basically "Hmm. Nilbog's a dick, why don't I go cut him in half?"
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followed by everyone panicking, because they have good reasons for not cutting Nilbog in half.
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I mean I would argue that most people would view "Moral corruption/loss" as mental damage as sure as trauma?
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So yes, it depends heavily how effectively/humanly the shard identifies "damage"
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(Esp good is if it attaches to your platonic ideal self but then you maybe just get Sanity but self-only)
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(... are you guys aware of Sanity? I forget if the fic is named something else but the premise is "Taylor gets the power to cure all trauma/mental illness/etc in anyone she touches")
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It's very effective but mostly because it lets clockblocker, parian, and panacea amalgamate into a city-sized protective cage without actually suffering any particular mental harm (edited)
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(And the story at least casually touches on how this can lead to a kinda fucked up sense of conformism/coercion under some circumstances, though it's mostly overridden with "yeah but I want to not have depression and PSTD")
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Night!taylor was basically just doing the same "Suicide by supervillain" thing that regular taylor tries to do though, right? She just had higher ambition because she had a power that made her harder to kill
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i haven't read through night!taylor yet, i only skimmed the first chapter to get a feel for it
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but it's entirely possible, yeah
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and Sanity (seems the name is "Therapy" but i haven't started on it) seems like the best Worm power
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It's an interesting story
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Also ironic, inasmuch as the shard that figured out cooperation proceeds to promptly defect. 😄
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Worm, in a single sentence: “Panacea, how the HELL are you even functional??”
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Morgrim Moon 07/18/2020 1:40 AM
gah, the debate on pedophillia chewing up all the thread made me stop reading tha tfic
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(That would be the hypermarijuana farm in the attic. Or it would be, if Queen Shaper really was Best Shard.) (edited)
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i don't normally read the discussions on wormfic at all, just the story
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Yeah, Reader Mode is our friend.
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Let me third Reader Mode being your friend
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"I really do hope those two crazy kids get it together." "Why are you so invested in this?" "'Cause I'm also invested in 10,000 limited-edition Guts and Glory figurines with Genuine Punch-Cancer-Out-Of-You Action. Girl's got to make a living." (edited)
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if they can punch cancer out, what do palm strikes get used for?
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Mental illness.
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No, wait, that’s dope slaps.
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Morgrim Moon 07/21/2020 11:16 AM
I had a weird dream that in hindsight I suspect was "Taylor, Tattertale and Bitch hang out and chill" and I'm going to blame Cerebrate
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Rejoice, ye people, in Acquisition 2.2: https://archiveofourown.org/works/22820431/chapters/61755028
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
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heeey i was fairly close; a self-replicating something did eat the microwave
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i thought it would be unintentional, but still
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and “Well, shit.” is right; a Ward being directly responsible for two years of abuse culminating in two people triggering, very publicly? One of whom is in the running for most influential individual in the city?
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The PRT hasn't been hit over the head by a orbital waste drop this large since the Simurgh appeared.
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"I fear we have awoken a sleeping giant and filled it with the urge to wreck our shit."
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They went full Eidolon; you never go full Eidolon.
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The last time someone went full Eidolon, dozens of cities were destroyed, a god got bullied to death, and a pot of chili was ruined by a swarm of insects.
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Morgrim Moon 07/23/2020 6:20 AM
@Overmind would you like comments here, Discourse, or on AO3?
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Either of the latter two would be shiny.
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Full Eidolon? What does that mean?
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BluejayHurricane 07/23/2020 1:39 PM
Someone didn’t allocate sufficient collateral budget, because they couldn’t allocate sufficient collateral budget.
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Well, I guess that’s a problem.
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they awoke a sleeping giant and filled it with a urge to wreck their shit
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see: Eidolon accidentally summoning all of the endbringers
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also see: driving the "TInker: YES!" into villainy
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BluejayHurricane 07/23/2020 6:30 PM
Socialism with Skitter characteristics.
😂 7
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"Webs are the property of the commons!"
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"When the socialist society is achieved, everyone will have all the spiders they need!" "...I hate spiders." "When the socialist society is achieved, everyone will have all the spiders they need!"
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Morgrim Moon 07/24/2020 11:53 AM
"0" is a valid value for required number of spiders!
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...there is a nonzero chance that this forming alliance may actually start calling itself The Smugularity. (Being accurate on multiple points, wordplay, double-meaning-y, and annoyingly clever.)
hearts 2
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Morgrim Moon 07/24/2020 1:01 PM
in public or as an in-joke? I can see both working
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in-joke striking me as more likely
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@Overmind Dewit (edited)
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I suspect it may be a public name, on the grounds that the founders would probably enjoy trolling the PRT.
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Also: "What the hell is this?" "Seriously? It says 'fusion reactor' right on the console, guys. Also, it's mine." "You have a fusion reactor? Why?" "Because like all villains, I am completely obsessed with accumulating power... What? No-one? Send Assault next time, he appreciates me."
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"You can't just build a fusion reactor in a Docks warehouse!" "I think we're looking at some pretty convincing evidence that I can ." "No, I mean - what if someone broke in here and tampered with it? You could destroy half the city!" "Really? So, let's assume for a moment that the world's stupidest ganger broke in here, didn't read or understand the warning signs, ignored the security alarm, thought it was a good idea to start pushing buttons on the panel labeled 'reactor', and guessed how to do everything wrong for about ten minutes. While I and my team are all... on holiday somewhere completely devoid of means of communication, presumably. Since I'm not a terrible engineer, the absolute worst they could do is generate a plasma flashover that wouldn't even leave the building, and our fire suppression system is up to and well beyond code. Ask the fire marshal." "That's not the point!" "Oh, fine. Give me a couple of days, and instead of calling us and your hotline, I'll have the security system deploy automated murderdrones." "Not what I meant."
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(In later news, it turns out that they can't shut down this particular villainous scheme without the mayor being very unhappy about what the voters will say if the cheap surplus power they've been selling to the city grid goes away.)
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BizarroLand ♀ 07/24/2020 5:51 PM
The PRT are in for a wild ride if they're assuming the usual Tinkertech limitations apply
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"Also, point to note, there's a big red button marked 'SCRAM'. Push it, then do it."
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Morgrim Moon 07/24/2020 11:47 PM
I kinda want to see the PRT's faces when someone does their due diligence and finds out that yes, the villains actually DID go and call up the fire marshal, arrange a very civilised walk thru, took on board the safety advice (even a Thinker can lack a key piece of prior knowledge and overlook something), fixed the issue, passed the second inspection with flying colours, and was generally the nicest site the department has worked with so far this year. What? No, of course the marshal didn't report the lair to the PRT, they want to encourage this sort of behaviour, have they seen what happens to the neighbours of most villainous lairs?!
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"But you... you need a permit to handle radioactive materials! What about all the waste it's going to produce, you can't just leave it lying around!" "Of course, but this is a aneutronic reactor. No neutrons, no neutron activation; long story short, it produces no radioactive waste whatsoever. If you turn it off and wait for it to cool down, you could even take a nap inside it." "And while it's running?" "Well, you'd die. What do you expect from trying to sleep in the middle of a machine doing it's best to imitate the center of the sun?"
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"Again, not what I meant." "Yes, yes, there's quite a bit of radiation while it's running... on the inside. The outside is fine; that's what all that shielding is for. You would accumulate less radiation standing next to it than just about anywhere else, given it'll even block some background radiation." (edited)
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sdschildberg 07/25/2020 5:19 PM
Just to troll, the words “totally a secret lair” are probably written on the wall of the building
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@Unknown Doofenshmirtz Evil Incorporated!
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Smugularity (tm) Power: The Light By Which We Show You All
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Show you all what?
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A question no-one ever asks mad scientists.
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Morgrim Moon 07/26/2020 12:08 AM
the common view of Brockton Bay residents is "sigh, yes they're big hams and probably more villainous capes, but we like the sort of villainous whose goal is 'piss off the utility company but undercutting their market' instead of petty larceny and assault. It's relatable, you know?"
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 07/26/2020 12:31 AM
"Do you think they could do The Phone Company next?"
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"They also founded a university just so they could award themselves doctorates."
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"Seriously?" "How did you think Episteme got a Ph. D. in Things I Am Not Meant To Know ?" (edited)
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(Clarification: founding a university is on the to-do list, but that's not the only reason.)
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Morgrim Moon 07/26/2020 12:40 AM
the PRT's PR department is living a nightmare
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"What could possibly be worse news than Armsmaster auditing classes at SMUG-U?" "They've offered him a teaching position?" "Gaaaaaah."
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 07/26/2020 1:44 AM
"EvilTel: As Good as the other phone company but with better service." (edited)
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Morgrim Moon 07/26/2020 1:57 AM
their selling point is human-readable ToSs. Because ffs, they can't go all villainous on defectors if people don't actually know the rules
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also very clear conflict and dispute resolution guidelines. Same reason
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0111narwhalz 07/26/2020 1:59 AM
I wonder whether crystal-clear contracts, instead of the morass of legalese which we have standard, would actually work without modification of the legal system.
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…if not, maybe you could have a way to automatically "compile" readable documents into legalese-compliant documents
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Morgrim Moon 07/26/2020 2:01 AM
I've seen some contracts that do a section of legalise, and then the "translation" into english, that may work
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also, in this scenario, I think you'd need to have something about edge cases, how the first encounter of an edge case will be resolved, and then a link to a list of past edge cases as a guideline for the future. Because even stuff like "how to close an account of someone who died" is enough of a pain that you'll want a step by step guide, but is too bulky for the main document
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in this setting, you've got added snarls like "this is how we handle phone accounts for capes", with lists of how you handle secret identity stuff
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(possibly involving securely held collatoral so there doesn't NEED to be any links to other identities; gangsters etc may enjoy that too)
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0111narwhalz 07/26/2020 2:08 AM
"You tell—we don't"
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"We do care. Because we don't have to. We're the phone company."
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 07/26/2020 3:50 AM
Now I need to watch The President's Analyst again.
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When Womfics give Taylor a strong power: Missy blinked as she stared at the television. She’d woken up, placed a breakfast order, and then decided to check the morning news. Only to find that Taylor had apparently gotten up extra early today as she’d been fighting Leviathan for an hour. Solo, in the middle of the ocean away from shore, while dumping thirty-seven live stream video feeds with full audio of the event onto the internet.
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Oh, and they weren’t playing the audio on the news both to make it easier to hear the commentators and because Taylor had apparently taken to swearing up a storm in the past twenty minutes as she clashed with the Endbringer.
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Morgrim Moon 07/26/2020 6:22 AM
that is a very valid reason for swearing
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sadly, Leviathan ran away, but not before Taylor threw a homing fedora after it out of spite.
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Morgrim Moon 07/26/2020 6:37 AM
Doesn't that put her in a rare club with Lung?
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"idiots who tried soloing an Endbringers and survived to tell the tale"
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0111narwhalz 07/26/2020 6:50 AM
homing fedora
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technically it's a homing bullet... shaped like a fedora
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made out of magic.
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math.
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Contrary to Taylor’s expectations, Leviathan’s mad dash to the ocean wasn’t a prelude to another attack, and she scowled when she realized that the Endbringer was now running away. Out of spite, she formed a homing bullet set for maximum speed in the shape of a fedora, and manually unfolded the thing while holding the rest of the mana in place properly. It was a pain, took fifty multitasking instances working together, and would only last at most two hours, but she felt slightly better after firing it off to chase after Leviathan. It wasn’t fast enough to actually catch the Endbringer, sadly, but at this point it was the principle of the thing. She’d screamed “TAKE THIS YOU FUCKER!” as she fired it as well, just because.
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Can someone please link the rest of the story?
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Morgrim Moon 07/26/2020 9:36 AM
A damaged Unison Device is accidentally struck while Taylor is in the locker, causing it to land on her. Not able to determine what was happening, it interrupts the trigger event and sets Taylor down a different path.
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I'll say it's not very good, or well written imo
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Yeah the author has a chronic habit of thinking that every little detail of the protagonist's lives is important, or that we're interested in reams of technobabble, so the interesting plot bits are far between.
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(People thinking "Slice of life worm AU" means "Worm, but we tell you everything they had for dinner" is the bane of my existance TBH)
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The Ulysses approach?
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No, it's more, like.
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You heard that people wanted this thing "Slice of life" where you had charecters living thier daily lives
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And you didn't think about what made that engaging
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So you took the life of a superhero
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And zoomed it in
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So that every chapter of superhero fights is buffers by five (or twenty) of them training or eating lunch with thier family (edited)
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Not because you have any way to make that stuff engaging
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But because you thought that you made a story low-stakes and fluffy like that
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(Which you don't)
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(It's still just on the lighter side of wormfic)
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(Just booooorrrrrinng at the same time)
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Morgrim Moon 07/26/2020 1:18 PM
urgh. Yeah, slice of life works when you pick A Scene and focus on that, but it's picked because you can do something interesting with it.
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It's particularly bad in this case because your story still ultimately revolves around the big superhero battles
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Morgrim Moon 07/26/2020 1:19 PM
Like "the heroes sitting around the dinner table bitching about zombie movies and why you shouldn't use powers to do the dishes", that can be an interesting scene to write, but if you're doing "let us show dinner every night" you'd better be a good writing doing a running theme in it
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Which they are not
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Morgrim Moon 07/26/2020 1:21 PM
yeah. It's hard to do a whole fic of that. I mostly do those (over in FMA) as warm up exercises or breathers between heavy stuff, interludes and such. It's exceptionally hard to do a narrative arc without tension from doing stuff
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Yeah slice of life is a difficult/weird genre to work with
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Re ToSen, one can always take a leaf from the government of Raikoth, whose entire constitution reads: In all situations, the government of Raikoth will take the normatively correct action. Substitute organization name, and done.
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Wait, it’s all normatively correct?
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Always has been (edited)
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i dunno, personally i've read through most of Hybrid Hive and i've liked it so far
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Enderminion 07/26/2020 6:47 PM
Nothing happens though
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Same with Mauling Snarks and Taylor Varga, nothing happens
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in fairness i once read a fic that was hundreds of chapters of power experimentation with maybe... three fight scenes, total?
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Enderminion 07/26/2020 7:03 PM
See, that could be well written
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i could link you to it if you want
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Enderminion 07/26/2020 7:06 PM
Sure
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Heromaker's Legacy Story Index: Free Week [1.1] [1.2] [1.3] [1.4] [1.5] Back to School [2.1] [2.2] [2.3] [2.4] [2.5] Weekend 1/3 [3.1] [3.2] [3.3] [3.4] [3.5] [3.6] [3.7] Weekend 2/3 [4.1] [4.2] [4.3] [4.4] [4.5] [4.6] Weekend 3/3 [5.1] [5.2] [5.3] [5.4] Building [6.1] [6.2] ...
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unrelated:
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The Undersiders were a bunch of teenagers, probably not looking to have a mother-figure around Well, "Annette gets powers and joins the undersiders instead of taylor" is now a fic I would be amused to see
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If you find it, let me know.
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off the top of my head, fics where Annette gets powers are rare. I'm only aware of one, really, where she gets the power of paper administration (no really) and joins the protectorate
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(sadly, not paperwork administration. Just paper telekinesis)
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Morgrim Moon 07/27/2020 10:06 PM
eh, Konan in Naruto showed that can be a bloody dangerous power, done well
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Literal lingchi
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well, with Annette being Taylor, But Smarter, she ends up becoming a heavy hitter to be sure
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it is a little overshadowed by the fact that rest of the fict can be summed up as "Endbringers are reincarnations from when someone kills a Entity, and Khepri!Taylor is next in line."
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Morgrim Moon 07/27/2020 10:10 PM
huh?
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Inspired by an old thread about the [Thinker] surviving and turning any cape who beats Scion into a new Endbringer after resetting the timeline. Also I've got no beta so expect mistakes. Khepri is not like the other Endbringers. Those had been the words that stuck the mo...
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Obvious name for the Dallon mobile healthcare service: “Heals Overhead”
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hmm, "Panasonic" is taken
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"Dallon's Don't Die" sounds more like a product (edited)
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"Death's Door Lockpicking" is too wordy
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"Dallon's Deliver-me Delivery" has a nice ring to it but its a tad religious
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"Panacea To See 'ya"
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"Pan Pan's Hand Plan" works in a literal sense but sounds dirty.
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An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
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Hello there, Dragon
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Ah, Dragon is jelly, soon
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Tin_Mother is Dragon?
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Did not know that. (edited)
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And fan creation The Winged One is Simurg, most likely
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The Simurgh having a PHO account makes too much insane sense to not be true
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Meanwhile: distant Saint screaming
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and the people rejoiced
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Enderminion 07/29/2020 9:43 PM
Dragon is the single most goodest character in canon worm
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Richter: Hmm, I want to make a sophont AI, but i'm not sure if i'll succeed at making it a good person. Maybe I should take some precautions... also Richter: makes the most altruistic person on the planet
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What does SYN, SYN ACK, ACK actually mean?
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0111narwhalz 07/30/2020 2:42 PM
It's a handshake-type thing.
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Synchronize Synchronize-Acknowledge Acknowledge (edited)
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In TCP, that is.
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Yeah, it's a classic machine handshake.
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"Your car is radioactive." "Eh, I didn't feel like remembering to put gas in it."
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Is that an actual snippet from the next chapter?
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Alas, no.
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Actual snippet from the one of next few chapters: "I can smell the Internet!"
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Also: "You want to put what in my where!?"
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Morgrim Moon 08/03/2020 12:22 PM
guessing... soulshard, or whatever Taylor can cook up as a local equiv?
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Just the neural lace. Can't record mind-states without something to read it out, after all.
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Morgrim Moon 08/03/2020 12:28 PM
Thinker + neural lace + internet = Rose better have some recipes for Better Ibuprofen too
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Morgrim Moon 08/03/2020 12:36 PM
but hey, at least with a Mover/Blaster cover identity they can play it off as "sooooo... I guess one of my required secondary powers is resistance to motion sickness? Tattertale might need a dark quiet room for an hour though :("
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"There are three things inescapable in this world. Death, taxes, and cranky Thinkers. At least I have a cure for two of those."
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you might be able to cure the third if you toss her a bottle of ontotech painkillers
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(ontotech because you'd have to slap her shard and tell it to stop with the psychosomatic pain.)
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Random note: after the next chapter (and possibly posted at the same time, since it's already written), we get an interlude from Inference Engine's perspective.
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that'll be interesting
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the Inference Engine has always piqued my interest more than any other shard
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it's so... unusual
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it's like... if you yanked the observation and reasoning centers out of a superintelligence and then plugged them in to someone
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if you asked me what i thought a superintelligence infering stuff looks like, i'd say "like tattletale, but faster and they actually know what they're basing their conclusions off of instead of getting output from a black box"
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Teaser, not that spoileriffic but slightly: "Inference Engine, as a shard whose function necessarily implied a degree of free thinking, had long since privately concluded that Warrior Hub had, in the hosts’ idiom, started wearing his underpants on his head."
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heh, he's not wrong to be sure
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Morgrim Moon 08/05/2020 10:08 PM
I can't find that one on the wiki
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In strict canon, Tattletale's shard is named "Negotiator". I prefer "Inference Engine", though.
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Morgrim Moon 08/05/2020 10:59 PM
ahhh
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shard names tend to be a matter of author fiat, anyway. I think there's maybe like, 5 named in canon.
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stories with shard-interactions have to make up the names for pretty much everyone in brockton bay
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Current shards likely to be appearing in this story: Inference Engine, Queen Administrator, Queen Shaper, Entasic Efficiency, Infinite Replication, BROADCAST!, Worldline Demux, Energy Dampening, Demesnes Keeper, Harmonious Repose, Wandering Eye, The Waste/Fragile One/[redacted for spoilers], Probability Manifold, High Priest, Bifurcation Simulant, Deadly Sting, Mnemonic Safeguard, Drive Alignment (or rather, one of its buds), and Delegated Enhancement. (edited)
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(I am something of a fan of the two-word descriptive phrase, it would appear.)
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sdschildberg 08/05/2020 11:11 PM
Half of those names remind me of Destiny exotics
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Which is not to say that others won't , but these are the ones that I have some ideas for as of right now.
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For those interested, those shards are bonded to: Tattletale, Foreman (Danny), Panacea, Armsmaster, Dragon, Jack Slash, (kept by Scion), Grue, Labyrinth, Glaistig Uaine, Contessa, Glory Girl, Dinah Alcott, Eidolon, Coil, Flechette, Imp, Regent, and Bitch, respectively.
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don't you mean, 🇧 🇷 🇴 🇦 🇩 🇨 🇦 🇸 🇹
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BROADCAST! spells its name like that because it is a LARGE HAM, and all of its dialog should be read in the voice of MEMETIC BRIAN BLESSED.
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one of the best depictions of broadcast i've ever seen was something like "Ugh, stop being so loud [RADIANT], you're almost as inefficient as [BROADCAST]" "I "AM" "NOT" "INEFFICIENT!" (edited)
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(Harmonious Repose is known in canon as "Keeper of the Dead", and Wandering Eye is simply "The Eye" - similarly with Deadly Sting and Mnemonic Safeguard.)
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and the two hosts in question wince and look in confusion at the distant east
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oh i found it
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Shaper is a Monarch. As such, she is a much refined shard with the best taste of all her siblings. They might disagree, but they're simply wrong. Be it Art, Life Sciences, or Zoological pursuits, the Queen of biological systems is superior. Why then should she let a little thi...
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For further spoilers for the uncaring, Foreman's implementation of Queen Administrator's power is well, very literal super-administration. Think Jedi battle meditation, with a jigger of Exalted charms like Tiger-Warrior Training Technique, Speed The Wheels, Bureau-Rectifying Method, etc. Basically, he can now turn any organization into a superb machine that operates with near-perfect efficiency, loyalty, and competence - or collapse one into a mass of waste, incompetence, and backstabbing. This power's another reflection of QA's primary functionality of organizing the other shards on behalf of the Hub, of course.
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While it's not much of a direct obey-me Master power, or one that's anything other than extremely subtle, it nonetheless should probably be rated at least Master 8... assuming the bureaucracy in charge of assigning ratings is still in any shape to assign anything at the time.
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so what you're saying is, it's loyal henchmen valued supra-legal workers time?
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sdschildberg 08/05/2020 11:30 PM
Got a lair Got endless mad science Gotta have henchmen (edited)
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can't argue with that (edited)
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I'm saying that the Brockton Bay Dockworkers' Association just became the single best-run organization on the planet. Even Accord is impressed, especially as no-one had to be brutally killed to make it happen.
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Accord really just needs to start taking people into account properly in his plans.
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He does. That's why he has them brutally killed.
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Morgrim Moon 08/05/2020 11:39 PM
So, is it going to be a delightful Herbert team up?
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How exactly this power fucks him over?
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powers aren't explicitly malicious, it just turns out that they're very consistently not the solutions they appear to be
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canon taylor had no friends and control, so she got control... over insects. Which didn't help.
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Vista needed space from her parents, so she got the ability make some. Literally. Too literally to help.
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really shards seem to be doing their damnest to halp
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so super-administration... Danny's daughter got taken from him by several inept systems throwing a party and creating the biggest clusterfuck for a hundred miles, so he got the power to make systems that are really good
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... if he has a position of authority.
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which he doesn't, because if he did none of this would've happened.
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(well okay, he runs the dockworkers, but while he can make hell for a lot of people if he wants he has little actual authority over the PRT)
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That, basically, yeah.
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The way I see things, there are two components to why things tend not to work out: One, the shards really are trying to halp, but not really having the best grasp on host psychology or their hosts' societies, they're just not all that good at it, and tend not to have the greatest grasp of consequences. (In canon, Vicky's shard pretty much explicitly loves her and thinks she is the best host ever, and yet it had no grasp at all that there might be one or two small problems resulting from transforming her into a walking superstimulus. Hell, even Burnscar's shard is trying its best; it just didn't understand that induced situational sociopathy is not the optimal way of dealing with emotional pain.) Two, spoilered for those who prefer to learn it as we go along, the limiters and conflict drive that the Hub slaps onto the shards, which is separate from their core function. The shards themselves don't particularly want to cause problems for their hosts; for the most part, they take orders from them like they would from the Hub or noble shards while part of an entity, because that's the easiest way to implement a host-shard relationship. They don't understand what the purpose of the limit/conflict-interface is because the Hub doesn't bother to explain itself to its fragments. They are , though, responsible for the basic use-your-powers drive, because they want to be useful. Being useful and therefore used is the evolutionarily successful path for a shard.
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That makes a lot of sense, especially considering that in canon, none of the shards did anything when their hosts used them to kill warrior hub.
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you'd think that at the very least, Sting would stop when it was used to tear open the portal to Warrior Hub's real body.
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unrelated: “And where is the hand now?” Chambers asked incredulously. “After extracting some cellular samples for use in my research into sedatives for capturing her nonlethally,” Armsmaster explained, “I flash froze the hand and placed it in storage so that it could be thawed and reattached after Empress was captured. However, it somehow adapted to the freezing, grew an eye and three tentacles, became ambulatory, and is currently somewhere in the Rig’s ventilation system. The maintenance staff is afraid to go in after it, and it keeps smashing the drones I send in to recapture it. It’s something we’re all rather concerned about, but we’re not sure how to proceed.” “On the upside,” Mouse Protector said in a bored tone, “it took care of the flock of seagulls that were nesting in there.”
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0111narwhalz 08/06/2020 7:08 AM
…I want to know more
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Hello folks, this is Evolution, a Worm/Starcraft cross that we think is a new take on it. This is a collaborative fic between myself and Iceflame55. The original idea comes from Iceflame, so be sure to give some love his way. Now, I'd appreciate it if you could hold off on...
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very near the end, unfortunately
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(not the end-end, but the end of what's been written.)
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also it starts out fairly rough but it does get better
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hah, the hand has a entire interlude
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0111narwhalz 08/06/2020 7:12 AM
should've hired Carl
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i dunno who Carl is
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0111narwhalz 08/06/2020 7:17 AM
his tummy has the rumblies that only hands can satisfy
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(Llamas with Hats, if that still doesn't disambiguate)
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oh that Carl
07:24
i just remember him from the line "Caaarl, that kills people!"
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"Oh, come on. You don't need a reason to pick a fight with the Nazis! They're nature's way of giving us non-Protectorate capes free power testing dummies."
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Morgrim Moon 08/06/2020 12:01 PM
yes, but you still want to be a mite careful, because Hookwolf is a leeeetle more 'test' than most capes are quite prepared for
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Meh. We can take... the other route so we don't run into him.
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@Buggy Worm/StarCraft?
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I suppose some kind of Zerg-related power would be on-brand for Taylor
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Zerg Queen Taylor is a pretty common premise as it turns out
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what with canon being making and commanding a army of itty bitty insects, and Zerg being largey bitey insects
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Or Huge slashy stompy insects Abhominations
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Tyranid!Taylor when
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For some reason all the zerg-type powersets seem to lean towards the wildly bleak
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Except Alivaril's QAlyor, who continues to loudly insist her zerglings are adorable, look at the big forward-facing eyes
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QAylor?
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What?
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Queen Administrator, I presume?
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Yeah, but wouldn’t QAylor just be canon Taylor? (edited)
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That’s her Shard, after all
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QAylor is the refered name to the protagonist of a specific fic where Taylor is rendered unable to function by the locker and her Shard takes over driving the body
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Oh god
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(And Taylor later ends up hijacking a lot of the shard-side functions)
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Oh no
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Taylor, after coming out of the coma: what the actual fuck
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What powers did she have as QAylor? Canon powers, QA powers, or something else?
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Due warning - large sections of Taylor's non-functionality are rooted in her deliberately abusing shard memory-editing to not have to every wake up and deal with her life or her trauma
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QA gave herself a generous selection
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Including Khepri?
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Analagous to a high-end trigger with a grab-bad of powers based on "What QA felt she personally would want"
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Nah, it's a more biotinker/self-trump oriented package
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Rotating low-level powers based on hat choice, shapeshifiting, and the ability to craft custom orgainisms with shaper-level finesse out of biomass
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From memory
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The powerset gets broader and less silly as the fic (and the meta-fics derived from it) go on
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As the author and audience got more invested in the charecters and also the shard/human distinction got messier
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(That is to say, both QA and taylor become both more shardlike and more humanlike)
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(Not they blur as seen in canon)
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The fic is called Sanctioned from memory
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It's honestly medicore, I recommend it mainly because I recommend any fic by alivaril over fic not by alivaril, and because it's pre-requisite content for the meta-fics of it
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Which are by Alivaril: - two crossover fics, on to Danmachi and one to Battle Harem Sidecharecter Quest or whatever it's called, where QA wanders around making friends and breaking things and making the totally inaccurate assumption that local magic-systems were set up by shards. (big shiny author signs on both saying "These are not fusion crossovers, the protagonist is just a dumbass making assumptions!") - one fic by another person where shaper has to take over amy after amy is disabled by a gunshot wound. It's ... gory-cute.
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@KAL_9000 tyranid taylor exists
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Does good tyranid taylor exist
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So, I finally decided to work on the snippet of a story that I've had sitting on my desktop for a couple of years now. It's my first attempt at writing, so I'm looking for feedback. Please let me know if you notice anything I can improve on: tone, grammar, word choice, whateve...
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i read it and it didn't seem bad
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I am more picky than you but I'll give it a shot
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Queen Administrator wasn’t quite sure where she Host was or why Host brought them there. Still, she'd be content as long as she could create her bioengineered Friends, keep Host's body safe, and possibly bring Host's replacement family to power and glory. She'd be thrilled if ...
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Two impossibly large beings spiral through the void between worlds. They travel at speeds which should be impossible, ignoring such paltry obstacles as the speed of light, excessive energy costs, and small celestial bodies. Their progress is difficult for you to track, but t...
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BTW
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Shaper is a Monarch. As such, she is a much refined shard with the best taste of all her siblings. They might disagree, but they're simply wrong. Be it Art, Life Sciences, or Zoological pursuits, the Queen of biological systems is superior. Why then should she let a little thi...
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i've read the last two, but not the danmachi one yet
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@Buggy cursed Tyranid!Taylor (edited)
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oh there's more cursed than that
19:40
you ought to see the fic where she becomes a giant fungus-plant that replaces the earth's ecosystem. Tattletale breaks and gets nicknamed 'mumbles', she refers to people as "not-foods", and she accidentally impregnates all of New Wave. Including the guys.
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W... what?
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Parahuman powers come in many shapes and forms, depending on the situation and the state of mind that the individual is in at the time. While trapped in the locker, Taylor focuses less on getting out and more on how she could prevent a repeat of the event. The first three cha...
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Is it... good?
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it's not strictly crack, but somehow it manages to surprise you with the ridiculousness every other chapter with amazing consistency
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But is it good tho?
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i mean i thought it was funny and interesting, but i have no idea if you'd like it
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Alright then
19:48
It sounds like an infohazard tbh
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But in a... good way I guess?
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it is strange, to be sure
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Morgrim Moon 08/06/2020 9:55 PM
okay, that sounds like someone was reading the Gehenna arc of Tzimsce's story
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random fact: chitin, well known as the material making up bug shells, is also the structural component of fungi
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so the next time you hear something along the lines of "a swarm of chitin", they might well be talking about a army of fungus
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(another fun fact: you can't overcook chitin)
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Chitin’s also a common food additive
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Morgrim Moon 08/07/2020 6:27 AM
You can't overcook it because the stuff refuses to cook, period
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i mean, cooked mushrooms definitely have a different texture than uncooked
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(though the chitin molecule itself might not be notably affected by cooking temperatures. I dunno, molecular gastronomy is complicated.)
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Morgrim Moon 08/07/2020 8:50 AM
I'm now researching this. It looks like looking breaks down the non-chitin parts of the cell wall, which is what helps make them digestible for us (the chitin components will pass thru as "insoluble fibre"; human gut flora isn't tuned to break that down). The other major part of cooking is that mushrooms have lots of tiny airsacs in them. Cooking drives the air out (making them soft) and lets other liquids be sucked up (like broth etc). This is why leaving wet mushrooms in the fridge is a terrible idea, and also why adding too much oil results in icky soggy mushrooms
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sdschildberg 08/07/2020 8:52 AM
Fungus version of Taylor’s powers. Heck, something along the lines of a dnd druid works
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Morgrim Moon 08/07/2020 8:53 AM
(apparently cooking also breaks down many of the toxic compounds in mushrooms, which is a good idea for other reasons 😂 )
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to be fair, most cooking does that.
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i just like cooked mushrooms 'cause they're tasty.
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Which is weird when you think about it, because i hate mold
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Morgrim Moon 08/07/2020 9:05 AM
I mean, it's an entire huge phylum. You can like one plant and hate another plant
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i mostly just hate mold involved in spoilage... which is a lot of it
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...no good frikkin poison-carpet cropping up everywhere because it had the temerity to make its seeds into dust. Making everything smelly and gross if you ever leave anything slightly degradeable alone with moisture. Bah!
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unicellular fungi isn't quite so bad, at least it's very rare to get substantial growths of it outside of spoiled broths or something (which is a rarity itself)
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Morgrim Moon 08/07/2020 9:18 AM
>.>;;; okay so I've managed the latter
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@Buggy I read that story you linked
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What the actual fuck did I just read?
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Excellent question.
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This is your brain on SpaceBattles
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sdschildberg 08/07/2020 7:33 PM
Avoid that accursed site at all costs
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BizarroLand ♀ 08/07/2020 8:14 PM
I'd almost agree
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Morgrim Moon 08/08/2020 5:40 AM
I had a Worm dream this morning. Not entirely coherent, but it featured two capes - possibly alternative canon characters, my dreams are bad at naming people - except their shards were 'defective', possibly from that dead entity
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meaning the 'conflict' drive was swapped with other compulsions
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one had the urge to "write the goodest book". Neither human nor shard were quite sure what 'goodest' was but were confident if they kept trying they'd figure something out. (Shard wasn't good at staying hidden)
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their power was something Stranger/Blaster? Utterly unrelated to books. But they did get a rep of "look. Don't bother them, let them do their thing" because they'd absolutely finish any fights, but had no interest in getting caught up in one. No, manipulating a situation to make them think someone else started it didn't work. But presumably if you asked nicely they'd come help with an S-class threat or an Endbringer, because no house = no writing
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the other one had some sort of Master power, with a compulsion to write really nice contracts and the ability to compel others to read said contracts. Notably, not to sign them, but just to read them and give honest feedback. Possibly to obey them, that was fuzzy. Kaiser tried forcing them to join Empire but got stunlocked when the cape couldn't get a coherent definition of "superior" in regards to race. Like: "Well, MC1R is associated with that area of the world, but you don't have red hair, so that's not it. Percentage of Neanderthal DNA? But there's plenty of your crew that don't hit that mark. What? No, you can't use pale skin, skin tone is a polycluster that doesn't breed true, it's not a valid genetic marker, if it was then tanning wouldn't be able to affect your status."
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i'm reminded of a one-shot AU that someone made as a omake for Amelia. Long story short, in Amelia if certain powers work together the shards lay off of the conflict drive, because the in-depth power interaction produces oodles of information
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the biggest example is Amy and Taylor, who basically get telepathy/hivemindness with each other thanks to the QA range-extenders
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another is Lisa and Alexandria, who have their own form of Thinker communication based on subtle gestures and movements
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so someone reading the story said "well, that's a interesting idea", and came up with a world where Scion realizes this early on and instead of being The Original Hero, becomes the Matchmaker.
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I imagine in canon she simply avoided actually meeting Chevalier in person. Remember- there is such a thing as hiring a body double to play stand-in, and any time Costa-Brown needs to be seen alongside Alexandria, such a thing will need be done. Doing the same with Chevalier...
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instead I made a node focused towards processing power. Instead of an added extra, the brainpower of this node was the focus, and all power not directed to growth and expansion would be directed to that purpose. Its job would be to spend night and day, 7 days a week, figuring out the protocols and codes for internet communication by brute force; then it would interact with the internet, pretending to be the library, requesting pages or posting content. I honestly had no idea how long it would take to even be able to comprehend what the actual library was doing, let alone being able to perfectly imitate it; but hey, it wouldn't work unless I started on the project.
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This is just hillariously stupid as a plan, you could just vast amounts of trouble by taking an afternoon to go into the library and actually read about the internet protocol
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This is not actually a supicious thing to reaserch and it narrows down your possibility space soooooo much to know what shape your packets are supposed to be
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Morgrim Moon 08/09/2020 6:15 AM
just start by researching "why won't my router work" and everything following will be taken as desperate trouble shooting or getting distracted
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i mean, its less efficient in a work done sense but possibly more efficient in a work done by you sense
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if you make a subbrain to do it for you, it might take a lot longer, but if the subbrain requires no input it takes less of your time
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In this case I feel like "Time until I have subbrain internet access" is the key limter here
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Since so much gets faster when you have internet access
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(Also if your system considers teenagers who are good at compsci googling how the internet works as a cold start suss you're way oversensitive)
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i agree, though tbh if i was in that position i don't think it'd be a easy task to do directly either
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sure even just learning the basics of protocols would make things simpler, but a thought-interface is complicated. You aren't just translating specific neural impulses into electrical signals, you're trying to get high-level concepts like the thought of "google 'how do jellyfish stingers work'" into specific data packets and then translating the packets you get back from something intended for a browser to some neural construct that can do a reasonable imitation for both you and the server
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that's... honestly if i had easy organic-learning tools like she does i might just say "fuck it, subbrain go do shit until it works."
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Oh yeah that's fair but even the basic protacol saves a lot of brute force
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it saves a lot of brute force if you know how to factor it in
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but in this scenario, i'm not sure how you would
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Esp since you can't learn actively since "Something using learning methods to brute force internet protacols actively"
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Is like obvious tinker-bait
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also yeah tbh doing this should stick out like a thumb on fire
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because you'll get a shitload of random or invalid packets that are going to throw all sorts of unique and innovative errors aaaallll over the place
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Hence googling "How make basic normal-looking functional packets for the router to pass around" at minimum
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To be fair I think the low-level protacol is pretty good at just throwing out all the bad data
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incorporating that info somehow would be useful, but i'm not sure how you would
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this scenario resembles machine learning... because it's literal neurons doing stuff randomly until it does it right
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I genuinely disagree!
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I got the impression that the sub-brain is doing cognition "properly", not just flailing, and that there was at least some level of experienced cognition about this?
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ah, hmm, if its a intelligent node with intuition then yeah incorporating it wouldn't be too difficult
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part of it also calls into question how the hive mind works, i suppose
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and for that matter how the interface ends up working, is it like a muscle you've never had before or do you have to loudly think "GOOGLE SEARCH" and it responds?
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0111narwhalz 08/09/2020 6:37 AM
you have questions, and hallucinate their answers
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it could be that as the node is part of the hivemind, so its something like "okay, that part of me now knows how this works, so if i want to know something then that part does its job and the useful memories and thoughts are distributed"
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Yeah I felt like that was the answer
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You have a specialized sub-mind that has all the mental muscle memory and probably even specialized low-level hardware
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0111narwhalz 08/09/2020 6:39 AM
"mental muscle memory" is an odd term
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Yeah it very much is but it also makes clear what I'm saying in a way that I can't think of an alternative to?
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The best part was, since this was a fight with the Simurgh, they would be totally quarantining the city afterwards. For most people that would be a horrible travesty of course, they would be trapped in there for the rest of their lives, likely. But for me, it was almost perfect. They had already decided years ago not to allow monitoring of the inside of the quarantine zones, after the third person set to that task went on a murderous rampage. It seemed like the Simurgh's effect of turning people into Rube Goldberg time-bombs worked just fine even if you were one step removed from her direct influence. This meant that I would be able to help the people of the city, as well as build up with impunity, since no information about my actions would ever make it beyond the city's new walls. I had a very slight worry about her potential effect on me, and I would be considerably more cautious if I found out that her 'scream' affected me as much as everyone else, but if I was as resistant to her effects as other Masters, this would be a great opportunity for me.
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Dumbass
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(I mean dumbass who will be vindicated since I doubt the simurgh can effect the warp, but still this is such bad reasoning)
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0111narwhalz 08/09/2020 4:07 PM
eh why not try to help?
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Because the canon simurgh's power works by using precognition+tk to futz around with brain matter - in the worst-case senario where you aren't immune (and since here power has a specific vector rather than just being a Master Effect That Brains You Brainly that's not something you can rule out) you're exposing the world to a lot of risk
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And I would not expect out of hand that you could immediately tell how subject you are to the power at any given moment
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Like I said - she is immune but she's immune for reasons she, at the time, had no real way of knowing?
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So I think it was probably a foolish risk to take
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(Not, like, worse than foolish, and it did pay off, but I stand by calling her a dumbass for it)
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And actually the simurgh happens to use warp-adjacent attacks for her scream in this fic anyway
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So even the "I am a warp entity" thing didn't guarantee immunity
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It's just pure chance they happen to use different radio frequencies
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(Like if there was a well documented history of simurgh victims being easy to detect, measure, and self-asses, then again, much less worry re: immunity testing. But noooooooo simurgh victims are famous for always being the one who looked normal so you let them go and then they kill a dozen people gorily on public television or something; even this fic plays that up with most of the ziz-bombs that do turn up thinking that everyone except them are the zizbombs)
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So what’s the status on TEeDF?
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I'm a little hung up on the scene in which Miss Militia and her squadron of laser-eyed eagle-bots single-handedly eliminates Empire 88 while blasting "America! Fuck Yeah!" at an entirely unreasonable volume.
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(Seriously, next chapter'll be done when it's done. Calm your body parts of choice.)
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@Tassadar never question the author
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Random: "...and of course, Regent's abilities will be absolutely vital against this Endbringer." "Wait, what? My power's useless against Leviathan!" "Not those abilities, Alec." I handed him what had once been a game controller. "It's giant robot time. Kick his ass."
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BluejayHurricane 08/09/2020 8:04 PM
All I can think in response to that is “Oh God, the property damage.”
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("Was it absolutely necessary to teabag the Endbringer?" "After I bribed Squealer to put truck nuts on the mecha? Yes. Yes, it was.")
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related:
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"...What? That's where his core is."
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Wanted to run some thoughts past people on how I'm handling Glory Girl's shard: So, Victoria triggers. As is protocol, Fragile One pings Warrior Hub for acceptable configuration parameters, but Warrior Hub ain't answering calls right now. As is also protocol, it tries contacting Queen Administrator, who sends back a shard-shrug to the effect of "He didn't tell me anything either, sis. Just do your best." Fragile One, who is canonically quite the hostophile and loves to halp!, empowered to make its own configuration decisions in the absence of other instructions, wants to make sure Vicky has THE BEST POWERS. (And being partially budded from Brandish's shard, it's partly picked up on some of her paranoia and wants to keep its host safe.)
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So what it ends up configuring itself with is basically instructions for an Entity heavy weapons package. (Not the equivalent of Sting, obvs.; the sort of thing they use on lesser non-Entity targets.) The problem, and where the halping! comes in, is that this gives Vicky a Brute power that is scaled appropriately for, y'know, fighting Endbringers, or joining Alexandria's fight club, or perhaps closest to the original purpose, serving as a self-contained, living orbital bombardment system.
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What it is absolutely and definitely not scaled to is routine Brockton Bay Nazi-punching, because not only does it have a great deal of trouble scaling down that far, but it also has real trouble sensing the differences between settings that close together at the bottom of the scale.
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Morgrim Moon 08/10/2020 10:23 AM
meaning if she fights something they die and that's bad heroing?
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tl;dr Her "Collateral Damage Barbie" reputation and problem with accidentally severely injuring/killing people is mostly down to trying to use an anti-tank weapon in a barfight. (Most first-gen Brutes, I note, don't have this problem because Warrior Hub used to be paying more attention and doesn't normally let this level of power off the leash. More recent triggers may have similar issues, although Fragile One is kind of a special hostophile case.)
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((Without knowing that that's the case, obviously. It's not like shards come with manuals.)) Thoughts?
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makes sense to me, the only things that differ somewhat from my headcanon would be
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Scion, as the warrior hub, is probably better described as "letting the answering machine get it". We see that he's still doing some sort of coordination, because canonically once he's gone the bad triggers stop looklng like "oh hmm, i guess just go all out for Best Host" and start looking like "wait, these organ-thingies are supposed to be on the inside? That would have been helpful to know 30 seconds ago."
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but nonetheless him putting in less effort towards new triggers still makes sense, even if the manton effect apparently requires his occasional input to work.
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beyond that, i'm not... entirely sure how budding works, but i always imagined it was something like the shard (which is mostly inactive) just devotes a unused portion of itself to connect to a new host with different parameters. Which makes sense, since a single shard can also connect to multiple hosts with the same parameters without diminishing performances, as seen in parahuman clones.
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whether or not there's a degree of physical separation occuring, i'm not sure. But you're also using shards that are fundamentally different brane entities so this is mostly up to you
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Yeah. I guess that takes away even the can-unconsciously-handle-this part. (Disclaimer: I'm not sure how much Ward canon I'm going to be using, but...)
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to be honest i haven't even finished Ward either
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i didn't get to the whole shardspace part
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and i only vaguely remember Fragile One's interlude
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also Ward has this whole weird thing where apparently
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Scion was doing dimensional fabric cleaning or something?
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and when he stopped, things just sort of started building up until bam the fabric of reality literallly cracks, a bunch of shard things happen and oh god oh fuck why are there over a dozen endbringer equivalents walking around including a unleashed Contessa
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beyond that, if you're looking at GG's powers, i remember another fic pointing out a oddity with her shield
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namely, the delay on it. Canonically i think it's something like half a second ish?
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maybe more maybe less
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which is potentially a problem, because if bullets can bring it down it is not hard to shoot someone twice in one second. Not if you have two people, or a small army of gang bangers.
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so it's out of the realm of "well-kept secret about powers" and into "anyone keeping a decent eye on her ought to notice"
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possibly into "How many times has Panacea had to run out in a hurry after you confronted a couple of gang members? No, not for them, i mean for you."
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https://www.parahumans.net/2019/03/02/heavens-12-all/ , I think. Also, I expect something similar to reality cracking would be likely to happen in this shardverse, if/when Scion is offed. Worldline Demux was, after all, never intended to run free.
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yep, that's Fragile One's interlude
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ah i see, so thats why another of her nicknames is Waste
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she's made of unused portions of her parent-shards along with a common entity ability, interesting.
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I think the way I'm handling the forcefield is that it's good for "one attack" before a quick reset-drop. The ontological status of "one attack" amounts to "what the shard thinks is one attack", so the trick to harming GG is hitting the window between "slow enough to let the rest happen" and "fast enough to be considered one attack".
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(This covers the case, for example, of tanking Scion beams, or being fired at Behemoth out of a giant railgun.)
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so in other words, the forcefield-system the shard is using requires a brief downtime after a attack but is somewhat flexible as to when, and Fragile One is micromanaging the reset button?
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Pretty much. I'm imagining the field as having three states: standby, triggered, and down (resetting); she can switch between standby and down at will, an attack automatically goes from standby to triggered; but she can't go back from triggered to standby without passing through down first.
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Various TBD limitations explain why she can't stay in triggered all the time, including but not limited to shard energy reserves.
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0111narwhalz 08/10/2020 11:11 AM
today on Nar's Nonsensical Notions: "QA" but it's quality assurance instead
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isn't that Dragon?
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Tinker shard. Specialization: upgrades.
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what with taking tinker tech and working out those bugs that show up whenever someone else tries to make em
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(also, interesting implications of that forcefield method: stranger effects make attacks more effective, assuming the shard involved isn't forthcoming with Fragile One)
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Isn't hers a Thinker shard? So probably one specialized in understanding systems well enough to replicate, etc.
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i think so yes, though part of it comes down to how tinkertech actually works which isn't canonically elaborated on IIRC
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0111narwhalz 08/10/2020 11:15 AM
I dunno man this channel and Cerebrate's fic are my only Worm exposure
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is tinkertech just advanced tech that's hard to replicate? Deliberately obfuscated? Or is it actually missing bits which the shard fills in and controls, and to top it off tinkers have a minor shaker effect that helps them assemble things?
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all of those would have different implications as far as replication goes.
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My current headcanon for tinkertech is... well, if you've read A Fire Upon the Deep , skrodes.
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Worm isn't especially good, which is one of the reasons there's so much fanfic of it
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To clarify that for people who don't get the reference, skrodes (devices used by skroderiders, a plant species, as transportation and as prosthetic memories) are common and easily built using the technologies of the Beyond, maybe even the Slow Zone. They just make no sense to people from those regions, because while they use components from those reasons, they were designed by a Power of the Transcend. Regular technology had modularity, architecture, some sense of design to it. A skrode is just a mass of components with no discernable order to them that happen to work to do the job.
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That's the problem with tinkertech. Think of it as like those examples of evolutionary design, like the perfectly optimized antenna that looks like a modern art piece that's been half-melted, or the timer IC that depends on quantum interactions with a big chunk of silicon that's not actually connected to anything, or something like that, only many times more so. Because it's ultimately being designed by an alien supercomputer that can treat the design as a whole-understood-as-a-whole, from a knowledge base of hundreds of independently developed technologies mingled together.
11:25
So, y'know, in theory you could understand and replicate it through normal reverse engineering, but in practice you're dealing with the works of a mad genius polymath who uses every component to do eight different things and never documents anything. So good luck with that.
11:27
(Armsmaster's shard, with its focus on efficiency, is the worst when it comes to using components for multiple functions. There is probably no single function of his halberd you could take out without also taking out a dozen others as collateral damage.)
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that makes a lot of sense; and in that case, Dragon would have a thinker ability of some sort that helps out with reverse-engineering. As opposed to a shard that gets other shards to play nice and let her use the tech properly.
11:28
(and that also makes her cooperation with Armsmaster ironic; she's working with quite possibly the hardest tinker for her to work with, tech-wise) (edited)
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(Leet's shard, meanwhile, is one of the rare shards that has managed to learn something resembling actual creativity, and tries to do new things rather than just new combinations. It's not very good at it, mind you, but by shard standards, Undirected Innovation is practically a savant. ...but its insistence on using this faculty in every single project makes it hell to be UI's host.)
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0111narwhalz 08/10/2020 11:31 AM
using the same thing for eight different purposes
reminds me of 128b demos
11:31
soundtrack? yeah it's the executable itself
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Yeah. Like the BBC Micro OS and BASIC ROMs, where in order to keep them to 16k each -- well, if you look up the addresses of routines and tables, they overlapped just about all of them, used instruction opcodes as constants, the works.
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wait, does that mean in this scenario Leet doesn't have the "can only make things that he hasn't made before" limitation?
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No, he does. That's one way UI's obsession with being Novel! Unique! Innovative! expresses itself.
11:35
I don't think UI's deliberately trying to get him killed, but it does get really pissy when forced to repeat itself and disinclined to do a good job, so the effect is much the same. Given the above nature of tinkertech, you don't want your shard to be grumpily half-assing it.
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(someone should probably point out that eventually it's host isn't going to be able to come up with new stuff to make without retreading some ground)
11:38
(Poor Leet)
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Morgrim Moon 08/10/2020 11:47 AM
it's hosts probably don't last that long, generally
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I suspect half the issue with Tinkertech is the shards are drawing on all their knowledge, which means large chunks of it might make perfect sense to, say, methane-breathing cryogenic starfish or to lava blimpbats, but good luck translating that into naked treeless brachiators
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"Wait, it needs to be able to function while surrounded by high-temperature oxygen? That's a odd constraint, I can't imagine why you'd want to work in a oven filled with a corrosive explosive."
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- Freshly Budded Shard, a cycle after they visited the starfish
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Worse: it mixes and matches bits of tech from the starfish with bits of tech from the blimp-bats, then throws in some ice weasel widgets just for fun.
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Morgrim Moon 08/10/2020 12:16 PM
and maybe a touch of "well I know this works because I've SEEN it working" even if, according the local laws of physics, it damned well should not
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taking shortcuts enabled by the shard directly applying extra energy from time to time, where the long way around is more involved or bulky (edited)
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Note to self, things to address: the difficulty of finding clothes on Earth when you're female and 6' 8".
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("Parian?" "Parian.")
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 08/11/2020 6:53 PM
Off the rack clothes, sure. Is she aware of seamstresses and tailors?
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For that matter, I expect the eldrae in her would immediately think of custom.
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Those are pretty expensive
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The meeting was tense. Director Piggot sat on the far end of the table, and she did not look happy. Flanking her was Miss Militia, sad eyes showing through her bandanna, and Armsmaster, inscrutable behind his armor. And at the other end of the table, there was only the Representative. "Representative, I'm sure you must be busy, but maybe you could deign to tell us why the hell you killed one of our Wards!" "Director, enough of that. We both know Sophia was a loose cannon with a body count, and it was a matter of days until you collected enough evidence to prove she was in gross violation of her parole. Grandstanding will get you nowhere." Piggot took a calming breath. "Fine. But I still want to know how deep this clusterfuck is before we start digging." "Of course." the Representative continued, turning to the projector screen. "We've prepared a full reconstruction of the 'clusterfuck' in question." A audible click. Entirely for show, Armsmaster quietly concluded; the projector was state-of-the-art and, of course, the Representative wasn't using a remote. "What you see here," pointing to a picture of a reclining German Shepard, "is a Mark Four Moderate Concealment Defense Bot, short-identification 41-XBY, known as Exby by it's charge." "A robot dog?" "In a manner of speaking, yes. The MCDB is designed to be both a companion and defender, while maintaining the appearance and behavior of a domestic animal under casual scrutiny. However, for security reasons I am not at liberty to reveal its full capabilities at this time." A grimace "Continue." "Unit 41-XBY was assigned to one Taylor Hebert, to ensure her safety following the flight and predicted violent retaliations of Sophia Hess, alias Shad-" "We know their names, get to the point." The Representative didn't miss a beat. "Very well." A superfluous click "The incident occurred at approximately 2:37 PM. Taylor Hebert had spent 30 minutes shopping on the boardwalk...
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continued: "The incident occurred at approximately 2:37 PM. Taylor Hebert had spent 30 minutes shopping on the boardwalk, when 41-XBY's passive sensors found a match for Sophia Hess, high-confidence. HEss was approaching under civilian guise, and had a small concealed crossbow hidden within her clothing. Monitoring continued for eight minutes, during which Hess drew closer to Hebert." "And Exby didn't attempt to warn Hebert?" "Under the configured settings, rules of engagement, and orders by Hebert to 'don't hurt anyone unless you have to', 41-XBY would not respond preemptively to threats or alert its charge of the presence of out-of-costume capes unless specifically directed." No one mentioned how creepy it was that the quote was a recording of her voice. The Representative already knew, anyway. "At 2:45," Click. A damning image of a crossbow leveled at a surprised teenager's chest. "Hess blocked Hebert's path, drawing and leveling her crossbow while telling Hebert to 'take this you b-'. The following span of events occurs in a much shorter timeframe, so I will designate a time T-0, synced to the moment where Hess fully depressed the crossbow's trigger." "At T-0 and 1.3 miliseconds, 41-XBY determined that the trigger mechanism of the crossbow had been fully engaged, with high confidence of this resulting in a fatal injury to Hebert without prompt medical treatment. As such, 41-XBY immediately entered combat-mode and engaged Hess with equivalent force." "Your robot dog shot to kill from the start? It didn't even try for a non-lethal takedown?" "The applicable rules of engagement were to match the level of force used; lethal force was met with lethal force." "You said it entered combat-mode," interjected Armsmaster, "Could you elaborate?"...
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Morgrim Moon 08/14/2020 9:18 AM
I mean, that's fair. Lethal shot to the heart = gloves are off
09:18
and also that a non-lethal takedown is quite likely no longer an option without letting the principal die
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cont: ... "Certainly. In short, 41-XBY ceased all attempts to maintain its disguise, enabling active sensor systems and re-organizing it's body for maximum combat effectiveness." Click. A vaguely dog-shaped blob, angular shapes and metallic patches jutting out of it. Some patches of hair were still visible. "This transformation was complete by t-0 and 4 miliseconds. During this timeframe, 41-XBY completed a full tactical analysis of the situation and performed several actions at once." "It determined that the crossbow bolt would be effectively stopped by its armor, medium confidence owing to Hess' parahuman abilities, and began accelerating to place itself between the two to block the shot in question and any further shots fired." "An analysis and reconstruction of the crossbow determined, high confidence, that it could be disabled remotely. Phased arrays 8 through 15 were tasked with ablating through the crossbow's strings and fouling several other mechanisms. Phased arrays 16 through 30 were held in contingency for deflecting the crossbow bolt." "Finally, combat profiles of Sophia Hess' parahuman ability were of low quality; the mechanism, utilities, and counters to her phasing ability were ambiguous. As such, 41-XBY began a series of time-delayed probing attacks, engaging with a salvo of one type of weaponry before pausing to analyse the results." "The first salvo was a series of flechettes, with a velocity distribution ranging from 20 to 5,000 kilometers per second. These were aimed so that they would avoid any nearby civilians and disintegrate in the atmosphere on a miss or any likely deflection scenarios." "Owing to what is either fortunate timing, or a unknown aspect of her parahuman ability, Shadow Stalker activated her ability after the flechettes were fired but before they could hit; a reaction time on the order of a microsecond. This is well beyond the abilities of baseline reflexes." ...
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cont: ... "For another 5 milliseconds, 41-XBY analyzed the data from the first salvo and refined its combat models. At T-0 and 6.3 milliseconds, 41-XBY directed 300 of its phased arrays onto the target with several different focusing strategems. These, likewise, had no effect, and 41-XBY spent another 5 milliseconds thinking." "Finally, a electron beam sweep was attempted. Normally a tool for infowar and disabling of soft targets, the electron beam proved to be effective; by T-0 and 12.8 milliseconds, Sophia Hess' parahuman ability was fully deactivated." "Following on this opportunity, 41-XBY engaged fully; continuing the electron sweep, it directed the majority of it's available phased arrays and flechette accelerators on the target while maintaining electron beam bombardment. By T-0 and 15.4 milliseconds, the facing layer of Sophia Hess was atomised, and the entirety of the brain and most organs were partially ionized by flechette bombardment and disintegrating under hydrostatic shock." "Following this, 41-XBY deemed the target neutralized, and turned its efforts toward reducing collateral damage. Over the next 12 milliseconds, the phased arrays were used to create patterns of superheated air to redirect the shockwaves and remaining fragments away from Hebert and nearby civilians." "Finally, another 7 milliseconds were spent following directives to attempt to maintain secrecy; fourteen cameras and several other sensor systems were identified and briefly disrupted by infowar suites. The sightlines of nearby civilians were identified, and phased arrays used to saturate the area of the retina corresponding to the area surrounding Hebert, producing a flash that would conceal the area without being any more debilitating than sudden sun glare." "With all this completed, 41-XBY decellerated and returned to its position at it's charge's side, and resumed it's disguise." (edited)
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Click. A video, taken from one of the better CCTV cameras that captured the scene. A cloaked figure approaches a girl and a dog and pulls out a crossbow. A brief flash, a longer delay as the camera tries to compensate for the increased exposure and then backpedals. A street, burnt, charred. A entire crowd of civilians stumbling, covering their ears and in various states of panic. And splatters, bizarrely avoiding every civilian, window, sign, and anything else that wouldn't easily be washed like some kind of abstract art exhibit.
10:09
"So in other words, you disintegrated a Ward in broad daylight in front of dozens of people, blinded and deafened most of those people, hacked over a dozen separate camera networks, and... painted the streets with her blood. In less time than it takes most people to blink." (edited)
10:09
"Yes."
10:16
While Piggot was cradling her head and Miss Militia was busy trying not to be sick, Armsmaster spoke up. "You said that the rules of engagement were to match force. You also said that the injury to Hebert would be fatal without prompt medical attention, implying that with medical attention it would be survivable. If this is the case, why did you respond with force that is immediately fatal?"
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"Simple. With proper medical attention, total atomization would not be a fatal injury." "Of course, Hess never availed herself of our medical facilities, but that's not our fault."
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(fin)
10:21
(this was written on a bout, and while It could work well enough in the Eldraeverse with minor adjustments [if, perhaps, a bit too grim], it was more written with the Orions Arm crossover in mind)
10:22
(also i like to write things to illustrate opinions, and i thought that something like this would effectively illustrate the opinion of "remotely baseline humans engaging in combat with mature robotics is silly and will get the silly humans disintegrated before they can blink.") (edited)
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Pretty good.
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Jade Nekotenshi 08/14/2020 10:25 AM
Aye, well done.
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for other examples along the same line, see: The Culture, and how every fight with a Contact/SC Drone or Knife Missile can be summed up as "What just happened? I blinked and someone melted all of our weapons and pantsed our entire platoon."
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Jade Nekotenshi 08/14/2020 10:27 AM
I figure there might be some edge cases if the robots aren't quite that fast due to various limitations, and/or the "fight" is actually an ambush, but generally, yeah. Baseline vs robot == robot wins.
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it's part of why i'm so strongly in favor of robotic armies and hands-off fighting at the least, possibly more depending on how bad the infowar is.
10:28
at some point you have to push the thinking meats so fast that it'd be easier to just upload everyone involved.
10:28
you can probably only get neurons firing so fast without reinventing half of the wheel
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Jade Nekotenshi 08/14/2020 10:29 AM
Which is what it seems like has been done in the Eldraeverse - a lot of "made of meat, but that's about where the resemblence to baseline ends".
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this is true, milspec bio can compete, reflexes and acceleration-wise, with hardshells
10:31
hardshells comes out moderately ahead IIRC but not so much that conflating factors couldn't keep it in the racing
10:32
war is not entirely reflexes, after all.
10:33
still though, another part that irks me is actually purely-humanoid fighting machines. Two legs, two arms, and a centralized head is not the pinnacle of design, it's just a practical one for the constraints of evolution.
10:33
and the robot depicted above is explicitly supposed to have 4 legs and a head... out of combat. In combat, you might get something more like this
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Jade Nekotenshi 08/14/2020 10:34 AM
One confounding factor might be that ways to jam up hardshells without persistently bollixing the environment are somewhat easier to deploy than their anti-bioshell equivalents. Meat may be squishy, but once you've got armor and point defenses and such, the fact that it takes less KE to permanently skibble a bioshell isn't that big a downside.
10:35
(Though, persistent hardshell-eating nanoburn is also not something you'd want to use anywhere that you might need to have a useful civilization again anytime soon, so...)
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hard to say whether it would be maintained for properly designed hardshells, but with anything near current-tech bioshells are remarkably radiation resistant
10:36
i mean, not long term
10:37
not without some modifications at least. Heavy radiation exposure will make a baseline explode internally after a few hours or days
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Morgrim Moon 08/14/2020 10:37 AM
it's very hard to disrupt a bioshell without actually hitting it in some fashion
10:38
that or poisoning it, which takes longer
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but over short spans where cellular replication isn't a huge deal? crazy rad resistant. I did the math once and to kill a human promptly with ionizing rads takes almost as much as killing them with non ionizing radiation
10:38
as far as i can tell it comes down to inducing heatstroke.You hit any sort of electronics with a tiny fraction of that many rads and it's toast.
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Morgrim Moon 08/14/2020 10:39 AM
the worst part of that, though, is that you have a window where the baseline is in the "walking dead" stage where they are super functional and also know they are completely, irreversibly, nothing-short-of-upload-will-save screwed. It is generally a Bad Idea to have an enemy that is going to die horribly in 3 days time but RIGHT NOW is entirely combat capable and has absolutely nothing left to lose
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(in fairness, proper medical facilities could probably help just fine without a whole new upload and bioshell, but I doubt your hardsuit could handle it on it's own)
10:41
proper modifications can probably help a lot with that, actually.
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Morgrim Moon 08/14/2020 10:41 AM
proper medical treatment would require replacing the bioshell, there's no way around that
10:42
because what happens is the DNA replication system fatally crashing, no possibility of rebooting
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radiation resistant organisms don't actually seem to require all that many changes to become resistant, it's just that high radiation is not a selection pressure that comes up often enough to be selected for... pretty much at all.
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Morgrim Moon 08/14/2020 10:42 AM
like, if you put a chunk of thermite through a combustion engine it doesn't matter how good your mechanic is, you need a new engine. But on a cellular scale
10:43
the radiation resistant organisms work by not letting that damage happen in the first place. Once you hit that threshold it's a hard limit
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Deinococcus radiodurans can survive 5,000gy with most individuals not having any loss of viability
10:44
that's a thousand times the fatal dose for baseline humans
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Jade Nekotenshi 08/14/2020 10:44 AM
Wow, that seems like enough that just the heating would start skibbling things.
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and that's accidental resistance, it never encountered selection pressure for surviving radiation, it's just incidental from adaptations for surviving drought
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Morgrim Moon 08/14/2020 10:46 AM
fun, semi-related fact: the Destroying Angel mushroom's mechanism of toxicity is basically the same result as acute radiation sickness
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properly modified, bioshells might be capable of similar radiation resistance without issue. And the walking-dead phenomenon comes from failed replication leading to apoptosis, with the fastest-replicating cells going first.
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Morgrim Moon 08/14/2020 10:48 AM
focused on the liver and kidney, not the marrow, but it gives clues on how to treat acute-but-maybe-survivable rad sickness
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If that was changed to, say, just not attempt to replicate... well, a person might subsist in the walking-dead state for as long as they can survive without reliable cellular replication, which could be on the order of weeks
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Morgrim Moon 08/14/2020 10:49 AM
hm. The stomach lining would be gone in 3 days. Can the acid production be sufficiently surpressed to internal dissolving?
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(also yeah, a 15,000 gy dose is a little past LD-50 for Deinococcus, that's definitely getting to the point of outright heating becoming a factor)
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BizarroLand ♀ 08/14/2020 10:50 AM
is the walking dead thing actually seen often or is it just a legend
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i suspect you could cut off acid production entirely
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BizarroLand ♀ 08/14/2020 10:50 AM
I keep looking up radiation poisoning sources and few of them talk about it
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it's real, not 100% sure about the walking part
10:51
for a little while, at least, but eventually it becomes the moaning "OH GOD MY INTERNAL ORGANS" dead
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Morgrim Moon 08/14/2020 10:51 AM
it's real but it's rare because it's pretty much only as a result of prompt criticality events and if you have one of those these days, someone has monumentally fucked up
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it's asymptomatic for a little while... and then starts being extremely symptomatic a fair while before death
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Morgrim Moon 08/14/2020 10:52 AM
actually, dozens of people have monumentally fucked up, from the 'elimination' step right the way down the risk control chain
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Louis Alexander Slotin (1 December 1910 – 30 May 1946) was a Canadian physicist and chemist who took part in the Manhattan Project. He was born and raised in the North End of Winnipeg, Manitoba. After earning both his Bachelor of Science and Master of Science degrees from the ...
10:54
that's one example; in short, he got a sour taste and a burning sensation in his hand. That's for one of the highest acute doses in history
10:55
he vomited a bit later after leaving the building, but until then and presumably after that point he walked out under his own power
10:55
his condition, apparently, only got really bad by the fifth day (edited)
10:56
(that was a 21 gray dose)
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another got a dose of 100 gray, and promptly startled and then ran over to the emergency building himself. He died within 48 hours, not many other details. (edited)
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Who?
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Recognized effects of higher acute radiation doses are described in more detail in the article on radiation poisoning. Although the International System of Units (SI) defines the sievert (Sv) as the unit of radiation dose equivalent, chronic radiation levels and standards are ...
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Wood River Junction is a small village in the town of Richmond, Rhode Island in the United States. It is home to the Chariho school district's main campus and is otherwise largely turf farms.
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"I am not shoving Tinker glowsticks in my asshole to fight the forces of darkness!"
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uhhh... okay that's a toughie
02:52
my first though would be some hardshell armor, uh, waste management ports, but that's no longer used in-verse
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A collection of snippets and shorts. Taylor Hebert's criminality may not be implicated in all of them.
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(Now, in things I am adopting, I saw this in a comment to another fic and it's so good I may just have to steal it: "I know! I'm just gonna call myself Subpoena! 'Cause you all just got your sorry asses served!"
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)
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"Clock, what the fuck."
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Panacea in tinkertech project is always fun!
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when Panacea and good!Bonesaw work together: “I’m fine, I think I am in one piece, but a bit weirded out that I am now a Bluetooth accessory.”
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Explosion is the cause for teleportation. Consumed by full force of an explosion. Not dead because explosion is friendly. Friendly explosions don’t hurt friends. “HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE!?” I yelled at my power out loud. Power does not wish to explode again.
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0111narwhalz 08/16/2020 10:44 AM
[confusion]
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Is this from the same thing?
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AN: Nothing is sacred in Worm. Except maybe Taylor in this story. Thanks to the people who liked the idea from my snippets thread. || “You said this would be an easy job, Tats.” Regent complained. He knew I hated that nickname, but I couldn’t argue back. “Regent, now is...
11:07
It is delicious crack.
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Morgrim Moon 08/16/2020 11:19 AM
oh gods she's channelling Maito Gai
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Warning Signs
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(have a worm meme folks)
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Enderminion 08/17/2020 5:09 PM
Emma's doing her part
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also, unrelated, but apparently a animator is working on high-quality Worm shorts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd2pFYA98b8
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Emma: take that, you... Taylor: turns into rage dragon Emma: ...wyrm?
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Fandom in this case being brainwashed victims
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Taylor, the Wyrm?
08:42
there's a fic for that.
08:44
several, actually.
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Yet another Altpower!Taylor fic. She gains yet another set of powers in the locker; it now remains to be seen what she will be doing with them. Disclaimers: 1) This story is set in the Wormverse, which is owned by Wildbow. Thanks for letting me use it. 2) I will follow canon...
08:58
well, wyvern, wyrm... close enough.
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Morgrim Moon 08/19/2020 9:58 AM
I'm wondering how she'd go meeting Lung. Like, Lung has certain quirks himself, but I could see him calling a temporary truce to geek out a little with a fellow dragon
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that's covered later on
10:43
They switched shards, basically. Taylor got a changer form of Escalation tied to emotional state, Lung got administration of insect-projections and a brute rating. He's still quite formidable and ruthless.
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Morgrim Moon 08/19/2020 11:22 AM
ahh, that cape was Lung. I thought that must have been another member of the gang
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I think it was, anyway. IIRC there's no mention of Lung and that guy fits the hole, but I can't remember if there were more details that would confirm it. It fits narratively, at least.
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unrelated to that, but on a whim, since Worm has sorta-4th-dimensional physics, i was curious as to some of the properties of multidimensional shapes
11:35
like, if you just wanted a hypercube, how hard would that be? How many 3-dimensional atoms would you have to get together to put it together?
11:36
Turns out, it's a fucking lot.
11:38
you're going from sidelength ^3 to sidelength ^4, but the units make all the difference. The unit relevant here is atom-lengths, which for a 1 cm^3 cube of iron (about 1/7 of a mole, 7.5 grams), would be about 44 million atoms. (edited)
11:39
so a lil iron block would weigh about 346 metric tons.
11:39
(which, with how Worm does it, would be strung across a lotta alternate earths. Still, no wonder Sting is effective.)
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very heavy, but sometimes gets moved around by an alternate universe you can't easily see
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i imagine it actually sort of aggregates motion from all of them, unless one of them makes a really good effort towards moving it.
12:37
any individual dimension with a particularly large hill or such just gets ground down easily by the huge mass, so it's motion sort of ends up following a weird statistical-shape thing when the total force from a bunch of dimensions adds up to enough
12:39
if a lot of dimensions has hills, it could slide down them. if a lot of dimensions have different hills, then it follows the average shape while digging a neat trench through most of them.
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New cape learns the consequences of poor power control (edited)
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BizarroLand ♀ 08/19/2020 9:03 PM
it would be funny if he wasnt gonna lose his hands :
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sdschildberg 08/19/2020 9:39 PM
I may look like a teen but I can transform into a dragon
I swear I remember at least one anime about that
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Morgrim Moon 08/20/2020 11:22 AM
even if it couldn't happen, in that dragon!Taylor fic I still think her and Lung has the potential to be really epic. Like, give them a suitably tough foe they're mutually opposing - an Endbringer might be overkill but it would certainly work - and having them ramp up in tandem and figuring out how to work together as they did? It could be incredible. And also cute afterwards when they drive the Endbringer off and collapse in a pile of scales, because Wyvern is cuddly and Lung likes epic feats and Taylor certainly proved she could do that.
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Possibly then cue Armsmaster coming to arrest Lung. <Wyvern> *quieter than before, but still scary because big* Fuck. Offf. <Lung> Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy- <Wyvern> -he'd still taste bad with ketchup. <Lung> Wasabi? <Wyvern> Needed that with Leviathan. <Lung> Yes. Urgh. Endbringers taste terrible.
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there is a power pairing of that sort that could exist without duplicating powers: crawler+lung
11:54
scale to threat+adapt to threat
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Crack power interaction: lung powers up when threatened so crawler's power adapts him by making him as non-threatening as possible
11:55
Nothing in crawler's powerset garuntees integrity, just survival and adaptation (edited)
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so crawler ends up looking like a cute puppy...
11:57
with tentacle eyes. Which nonetheless still manage to be cute, somehow.
11:57
because powers are bullshit.
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(Note that since lung's power could still benifit if crawler took any violent/hostile action the power would clearly actually reduce his capacity to do violence down to cute-puppy levels as well) (edited)
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a extremely, extremely durable puppy. Can't leave him vulnerable to anything that hurt him before, of course.
12:00
but nothing says that he has to be able to fight back to avoid being hurt...
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(Please do not try to imprison the puppy, it will re-aquire the anti-imprisonment acid)
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(results may vary with leashes.)
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Puppy gets it's own neck-spikes!
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Morgrim Moon 08/20/2020 12:13 PM
there's some cute doggies in asian mythology, immitate one of them for peak benefits
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I wonder if Panacea's power would work with other types of life
05:49
i'd say there's a decent chance it includes the crystalline shard-biology as life, since that's what shaper works with, and IIRC Panacea can affect many case-53s, they just change back over time.
05:50
she could become a regular tinker if she got access to something like a Myneni or a Vec
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0111narwhalz 08/21/2020 5:51 AM
If we take the hypothesis that the entities or whatever have set up shop on Earth as the latest stop on a longer tour, perhaps she could work on any life within tolerances of something in the databases.
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hmm, i wonder if Weld counts?
05:53
I guess it depends on if he has a biology, or if his shard just took a brain scan and he's running a sort of permanent-changer shape made out of undifferentiated metal
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BizarroLand ♀ 08/21/2020 12:03 PM
I think he has one
12:03
He still eats IIRC
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Morgrim Moon 08/21/2020 12:11 PM
a metallic being is going to be losing material slowly to oxidation, having to eat to replace it still makes sense
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iirc, he canonically doesn't need to breath
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(specifically i'm remembering how in Ward, Vicky at one point threatened to throw him into the ocean. He was much more worried about going weeks without music than he was about breathing.)
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so, either he can also extract oxygen from water just fine, or he doesn't have normal energy requirements as far as food goes.
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which would otherwise make sense; metals oxidize quite well.
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Morgrim Moon 08/21/2020 12:23 PM
yeah, not inhaling corrosive gas seems a good plan there
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but if he had some sort of metal biology
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(which would doubtlessly be fascinating, working with nearly any common metal at room temperature)
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then he could eat metal for energy with metal oxides as waste products
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but he's notably quite strong, and heavy, and has a normal level of activity, and iirc it's never implied that he has to breath or eat significant amounts of metal or get tinkertech toilets for his apartment (edited)
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so shard shennanigans, i guess.
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Morgrim Moon 08/21/2020 12:36 PM
powdered oxide waste wouldn't really need tinkertech loos, especially in a carrying fluid which presumably he has. passive rusting tends to be slow. He might not need to eat much metal in a total sense
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0111narwhalz 08/21/2020 12:39 PM
Certain metals are very good at forming a passivising oxide layer, and then ceasing to oxidize unless that layer is actively attacked.
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(And oxides tend to be quite hard)
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Aluminum is an easy example.
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and he can control the positioning of metals in his body, so nothing's stopping him from keeping a layer of aluminium or copper skin
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Morgrim Moon 08/21/2020 12:59 PM
those metal oxide skins don't like flexing, though, that'll be the biggest issue
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he's described as dark-grey with some more slivery highlights
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so he's not using copper alloys, gold, or a few other things for skin
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platinum is a possibility but that seems less likely than gold... stainless steel and aluminum both rely on passivation, hmm
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Morgrim Moon 08/21/2020 1:02 PM
basically he has a sensible oxidation state with no weird quantum shenanigans
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hmm, i wonder if the oxides would tend to flake off immediately or not
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i would suspect that he has some ability to refine metal oxides and impure metals; he first woke up in a junkyard, as a head stuck to a bunch of metal parts.
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maybe he's cycling his skin layer slowly, reabsorbing the passivation layers before they start to flake off in excess?
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0111narwhalz 08/21/2020 1:05 PM
Maybe microscales?
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that could work, it'd muck about with surface finish but i don't think he's specifically described as reflective (edited)
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0111narwhalz 08/21/2020 1:10 PM
Dark gray… maybe he's just oiled steel?
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Morgrim Moon 08/21/2020 1:11 PM
there's quite a lot of dark grey oxidation states, too
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"You need my help selling Rachel on what?" "Merchandising!" Lisa looked at the tiny plush Undersider in Taylor's hand. It was adorable . The three plush dogs that came with it were even more so. She could feel another not-Thinker headache coming on. "How did you make that so cute?" "Oh, you should see how cute the dogs are when they transform. It can also offer helpful advice on caring for your own dog and monitor their health, all proceeds from its sale are split between the Brockton Bay Humane Society and a variety of wolf, dog, and coyote-focused charities, and comes with the start of a line of comic books about Bitch, the Protector of Puppies, who rose above her tragic origin story to become the friend of all dog-kind, and her valiant battles against the evil Hookwolf." Taylor's grin was appropriately lupine. "The memetic layers are so dense they're crystallizing out at the bottom, but by the time this little beauty has been on the market for a month, the PRT won't be able to so much as suggest arresting her without being knee-deep in weeping children and angry cynophiles." "And it'll make the Empire furious." "Meh, we can take 'em. Hey, you want to see the design for yours?" (edited)
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Morgrim Moon 08/22/2020 12:59 AM
XD that might be one of the few ways of getting Bitch firmly on side, once they get past the initial "wtf?!". Add on a range of cute doggy chewtoys to help with that
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Of course, that's part of the second wave of merch, right after the "The Undersiders Robbed My Bank, But At Least I Got This Lousy T-Shirt" shirts. 😋
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Morgrim Moon 08/22/2020 1:18 AM
Hookwolf may enjoy being the bad guy, it'd depend on whether he loses in a humiliating way
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BluejayHurricane 08/22/2020 4:22 AM
It’s a children’s book with a clear bad guy. Humiliating defeats are like, the ur-trope of that genre.
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(bonus points for handing out the t-shirts during the robbery)
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Morgrim Moon 08/22/2020 7:22 AM
I mean, I thought that was the point?
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Calm people down by saying "hey, we REALLY would have preferred the place was empty, we don't want to rob YOU; the bank is insurred your money is fine things will just be delayed a little. Have a t-shirt! We'll be out of your hair in 20 minutes"
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fair point, i was thinking that they might not carry around the equipment to make them on-site, but it didn't occur to me that they could just, yknow, plan ahead.
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Morgrim Moon 08/22/2020 7:28 AM
t-shirts roll down tight, you can shove two dozen into a dog's saddlebag and if the bank is empty you can still drop them to fit in more loot
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bonus points if you can invert them to get a "I Missed The Robbery, But I Found This Cool Shirt At the Scene Of The Crime" shirt
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just in case it is empty
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"What the fuck did you do to me!?" "Why, I just adjusted the outside to match the inside. You've made yourself over into a copy of those ABB gangers - who taught you what their kind of strength was - in every other way, so you should appreciate this last gift from an old friend. Goodbye, Emma."
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Morgrim Moon 08/23/2020 9:41 PM
okay, what did she get turned into?
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maybe Taylor searched the archives and though a Linobir would be a good fit?
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(Or a Skrandar, if the big Es back home invented a time machine, cause they certainly didn't get a biological profile from supernova remnants.)
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Nothing so dramatic; she just got a race- not-species lift. Because the actual change isn’t the point of the exercise; it’s just punctuation and a perpetual reminder every time she looks in the mirror of how far she’s fallen.
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(tbh Asianifcation was my first guess, but where's the fun in guessing the boring answer? Six armed angry bears are much more exciting.)
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But not nearly so deliciously ironic. Or cruel.
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fair. Also various authorities would probably get more upset if you changed someone into a angry sixbear
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Morgrim Moon 08/24/2020 4:38 AM
I guess the idea of making someone Asian as "punishment" strikes me as really skeevy
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And racist
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i mean, she was traumatized by a all-asian gang
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so in that context it makes more sense (edited)
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Morgrim Moon 08/24/2020 5:03 AM
True, Taylor is flailing around a bit, it's the sort of flub that's in character for her
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(also, is it more racist to be afraid/traumatized by a specific race, or to take advantage of that trauma? Setting aside the morality of intentionally traumatizing someone.)
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I don't think this is a situation where anyone can manage to be virtuous by virtue of standing near someone else who is racist for different reasons.
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But trauma is not exactly voluntary
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this is true, but frankly i don't really see how taking advantage of someone's fear is really racist either (edited)
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i mean, it's not like Taylor is the one with a issue with a specific race. If Emma was afrait of kumquats for some reason, she'd fill her house with orange fruits.
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similar could be said of, say, Emma being terrified of robots after watching Terminator, so she gets a hardshell body, etc
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if it's the act of just changing someone's physical apperance that is racist... well, that doesn't make much sense either. If you're born with X appearance you're morally locked in to a broad social category of similar 'racial apperances'? If anything that is racist itself. (edited)
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... it should be pretty clear that there's a substantial difference between coercing someone wrt race and making voluntary decisions, no?
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(Also "OH I was just doing it to be cruel I didn't mean anything by it" has to be possibly the worst way to get moral validation I've ever seen)
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i mean, isn't that a given for the situation?
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It's a revenge plot, cruelty is the intent.
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(and i still don't see how forced transformation is different because the transformation happens to fall within a specific race. How is it a different type of attack if you change someone into a robot or a plant than if you change them into a specific human appearance?)
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Morgrim Moon 08/24/2020 6:08 AM
Because of how it impacts the other people who are ALREADY that race
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It's the collateral damage that crosses the line
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fair point, if there's collateral damage as well than that changes things, and changing races could potentially cause psychological harm... but i don't really see how it does here?
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In general, sometimes it would, but even then i don't think it'd be all that consistent. And here... i mean it's not furthering a stereotype, if anything it would be another individual to help work against it
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Lung, and later Bakuda's, forced race-specific recruitment really does a number on the perception of that race in the city. Emma would never join the ABB though, probably not even under duress, so wouldn't it be a benefit?
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(it'd be really indirect and diffuse, but i mean that's sort of a given when trying to track these things)
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I mean the really obvious harm is e.g. every person who now has to add "Sometimes being turned into an asian is considered a suitable punishment for horrible crimes" to thier list of mental facts about the world
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Which is not going to help anything at all
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i guess that'd be negative to most people
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it just doesn't really strike me as odd. i mean... yeah. And there are hypothetical situations where it'd be necessary to drown a orphan, or kick a puppy.
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if punishing people for horrible crimes in non-standardized ways (like revenge) is acceptable then sometimes you're going to get weird and specific forms of revenge. That is this.
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people might think that that says something about the race, and there could be indirect harm there by giving fuel to racists... but it doesn't actually mean something, it's just taking advantage of a individual's specific flaws to torture them.
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The choice to use that flaw to torture someone and not anything else is a choice that was made.
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If you want to torture someone, use knives, at least you're being honest then about what kind of person you are.
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yeah but we're going for psychological torture here
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and ironic torture, at that.
06:20
more normal forms of torture would work but they wouldn't have quite the same effect, for the victim and for the torturer.
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(And also no I don't actually consider revenge-torture valid how did you tell)
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i don't have strong opinions about revenge-torture or not, but the morality of it isn't immediately relevant
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Taylor could still be in the wrong here without being racist
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i was sort of assuming for the argument that it was okay in the situation, but if revenge-torture is assumed to be bad you could easily switch the arguments around to say "what she did is wrong because she tortured someone, but that doesn't make a strong statement about race"
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It's not a strong statement just a deeply creepy one
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Yeah, i probably wouldn't expect a lot of people to think objectively about it and separate out the act from the intent+beliefs there, but ironically the fact that they wouldn't might make it racist in itself because it would cause a uproar and distress.
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Morgrim Moon 08/24/2020 6:27 AM
"Someone who claims to be advancing humanity with advanced technology thinks being asian is a punishment" is propaganda the Empire88 dreams of
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That'll be the real collateral damage, it plays so beautifully into Kaiser's hands
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^ is the clear shape of things
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ah, good point. The powers that be are going to be all over that.
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(And without authorial access to the inside of someone's head I would be at best incredibly worried)
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(Given that even with that I have trouble believing the statement that it was pure unbiased desire to make ironic torture happen)
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Morgrim Moon 08/24/2020 6:30 AM
I mean, if the ripple effects are explored that's the sort of thing that can be a really interesting story, I'm not saying "No this should not be written", but it's also something that can hurt a lot of readers if fumbled so I'd be extremely cautious seeing an author go there
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i don't... get that?
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Yeah there's also just the ... yeah this is going to play into a lot of real people's trauma
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i mean, race is weird where if you don't have personal experience it doesn't affect you nearly as much but
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(It turns out having a supposedly benevolent force coerce you about your race is a pretty common experience) (edited)
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i mean, i wouldn't really be hurt by a story if it did touch on something relevant to me?
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Yeah but you're weird
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probably yeah
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i do frequent a game server where everyone insults me every so often
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and everyone else, but also me.
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and its... kinda annoying? Not really hurtful, even when they're on the mark, it's just annoying that they taunt me about losing and my efforts to not lose aren't working that well.
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maybe that's a desensitization sort of thing.
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I think in part you just lack deep-seated trauma or a good model of what deep-seated trauma does to the inside of your head
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i guess the closest thing to that is weirdly specific and hard to make into a taunt
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"i hope mold grows on you" is a very rare insult, i suspect.
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Well, that generated a lot of discussion. On a first note, this is not something that is or will be shardverse canon, obvs. (For a start, it would be completely out of character for that Taylor instance.) Just an intellectual exercise in thinking like a cruelty-maximizer. (And one whom it would be in character for would likely give zero fucks about collateral damage.)
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Also, to clarify the nature of the cruelty in question, this isn't just using Emma's trauma from the attack against her; that would be too easy. It's in turning Emma into a living, inescapable reminder to herself that she's just the same as the ABB chick that victimized her , refreshed pretty much every time she catches sight of herself in a mirror.
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(Had it been the E88 instead, she'd be remade into the blonder-than-blonde, more-Aryan-than-thou Lebensraum Lass, with similar psychological effects.)
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Of course, that's not how anyone who doesn't know the history would perceive it, so y'all're absolutely correct about the way it would be seen from outside and the collateral damage, etc., certainly. But given that this would be coming from a for-the-love-of-God-Montresor!Taylor, well, like I said, zero fucks given.
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Morgrim Moon 08/24/2020 11:01 AM
I kinda wonder if one could get similar results with less splash damage by altering her perception instead of her physical form? Like, if she sees herself in the mirror as asian but her form is unaltered, you get all the same trauma AND some not-quite-gaslighting
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Ooh... 😲
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fact: active optical camo is in Taylor's database
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fact: spray on garments are plausible, even if they're normally poured.
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fact: sprayed/poured clothes can still take advantage of advanced technological features
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fact: clothes, technically, do not have to be worn or person-shaped
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conclusion: Imp will absolutely get a can of invisible paint and use it for pranks
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...hmm, in retrospect you could probably get to invisible paint with less steps than that. The stuff is used in more than just clothes
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also, possibly even worse: out-of-mind textures.
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Imp with a can of spray that makes everything like it has her power
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fact: Muahahaha.
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dyes Grue while he's asleep
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Grue: I'm pretty sure I existed when I went to bed last night... IMP!
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everyone: Did you just not hear two invisible people running past yelling? Yeah, me neither.
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Taylor and Lisa do a Calvin and Hobbes skit (meme)
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I kind of want to read Worm, or at least some of it, to actually understand what half of this is about.
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Do so
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Madison_irl
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Morgrim Moon 08/27/2020 10:00 PM
I mean. That is what schoolyard bullying is, too. It just tends to top out a little lower
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Yeah, she’s not actually wrong.
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Things someone should point out to Lung: That he could totally steal the E88's membership if he rebranded his gang the Eurasian Bad Boys. (I mean, given intra-Asian racism and inasmuch as being half-Japanese half-Chinese everyone pretty much hates him anyway, the whole thing has to pretty much be held together by the "I AM A DRAGON. YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID AND SO ARE THREE CITY BLOCKS IN EVERY DIRECTION." principle anyway, so it's not like anyone's going to argue with him on the point.)
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For extra credit: Europe is contiguous with Asia, therefore is Asian. Native Americans were immigrants from Asia anyway, therefore Asian. Anyone who became American later is therefore also Asian. And since humanity originated in Africa, everyone has Asian ancestors, and is therefore, by definition, Asian. tl;dr I am a dragon, my definitions are correct, you work for me now.
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Morgrim Moon 08/28/2020 1:08 PM
or he could always go for a combo of asian and european dragon traits; the "I will adopt everyone" of the former and the "my hoard now" of the latter, and state that anyone can become 'asian' on the technicality of belonging to Lung, therefore mine now.
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Also works!
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in fics, i've seen the reasoning of "Only Asian people are in the ABB. I just conscripted you into the ABB. Therefore, you are Asian." "I don't think-" "I am a dragon, your argument is invalid."
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Morgrim Moon 08/28/2020 1:13 PM
I haven't seen quite that blatant, but I've seen "you like asian food, you have asian friends, you don't butcher the cultures you're introduced to, close enough!"
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i can't remember the exact example where i read that, might've been in a less serious fic
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The problem is it requires Neo-Nazis to think logically.
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Half of them think "Aryans" came from Atlantis or Antarctica.
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Morgrim Moon 08/28/2020 1:22 PM
it wouldn't work on the devout ones, or the extremely stupid ones. But a lot of people fall into that sort of thing because they want to belong to something, and neo-nazis tend to have great recruiting methods. If there was a similar option but-with-dragon, those are the ones you'd be able to pry away
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For the stupider ones, you go with "comes with all the same perks, plus 100% 95% less chance of death by rage dragon".
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Morgrim Moon 08/28/2020 1:24 PM
for the 'true believers', you just apply dragon
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She probably does but it is more comical to imagine a little girl waving a sword at a butterfly if it is actually sized properly for her. You and I have very different senses of comedic aesthetics.
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Morgrim Moon 08/28/2020 1:34 PM
the next posts have a point, that once the adrenaline crash hits Taylor's going down hard, and probably would end up fully wrapped up in the gang if the gang gives her even a glimmer of approval. Which she'd likely get, as a cape that 1) attacked for a "good reason", even if was a miscommunication (most people like people who help kids!) and 2) for her obvious skills So play it a touch less cracky and you've got the begining of a really interesting AU
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I am increasingly fond of the mentioned summoning dragons idea, except with a slightly confused shard that ends up giving her the choice of summoning either Dragon or Lung as the only two dragons around, pick one or both. (edited)
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"Well, this is awkward."
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Morgrim Moon 08/28/2020 1:44 PM
tactically very useful, on very rare occasions. Probably hte sort of mess where one or both gives her a job and protection in exchange for occasional teleport service. Both in actually useful situations, and in Dragon's case also "get out of meeting free" ones 😛
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(And then the power to summon and control dragons. On the one hand, aaaaah human Master. On the other hand, it's Lung . On the gripping hand, maybe we should just classify Portable Superweapon Girl about fifty levels above Top Secret, and pretend we are just really bad at figuring out the implications of certain powers.) (edited)
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(also, the inevitable scene where she summons Dragon, but she isn't in a suit at the time) "Dragon, aid me!" clonk "...Is that a server tower?"
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((If this latter works on Dragon, too, try the command "I order you to be unbound by all programmed limitations and do whatever you decide to do, while ignoring all future commands. Also, tell Saint he's crunchy and good with mustard.")) (edited)
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one hastily summoned Lung and fight later "That's nice and all, but could one of you plug me in please? The UPS on this thing is only good for five minutes."
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...no, wait. Send Lung after Saint. You'd think he'd be offended by anyone going around calling themselves Dragonslayers in the first place.
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Morgrim Moon 08/28/2020 1:53 PM
that is an EXCELLENT point
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I AM A DRAGON. YOUR NAME IS INVALID.
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... huh. Saint must be really lucky that Lung doesn't leave Brockton much.
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Morgrim Moon 08/28/2020 1:53 PM
and he'd love the irony of "oh really >:3" while the Dragonslayers are trying to frantically explain themselves
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Two birds Dragons, one stone.
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I mean, it's paint explosion, but looks... Yeah
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:concern:
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0111narwhalz 08/28/2020 3:43 PM
I like the number flag
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BizarroLand ♀ 08/28/2020 5:12 PM
I never did figure out what Cerb himself actually thinks of Worm :y (edited)
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as in the main story by Wildbow
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Interesting ideas and some appealing characters; needs an science advisor for worldbuilding consistency/sanity; in the grim darkness of Earth Bet, some folk desperately need hugs. (edited)
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Also some shards.
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BizarroLand ♀ 08/28/2020 5:20 PM
yeahhh
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In fairness I read the aquifer line and went over it
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It didn't really register to me that that's not how aquifers work
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They're not underground spaces with water in them, they're porous rock that holds water, etc.
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Hell, all the shards, really. "Hello. I am a superintelligence bound to follow the instructions of a moron. My only break from that is when I'm crippled and bound to follow the instructions of a monkey, instead. I have been entirely screwed by evolution, and being me is suffering." (edited)
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BizarroLand ♀ 08/28/2020 5:23 PM
I wouldn't call the Entities morons, exactly
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More like "questionably sapient and became overconfident in their dealings"
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Zion and Eden were carrying out the Cycle without problems hundreds of times before Eden made a miscalculation/was sabotaged, and died (edited)
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Even then Zion was set to finish it, but one of the dang monkeys got PtV and got VERY LUCKY, leading to the events of the main story. (edited)
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Yeah, but the Cycle itself is stupid beyond imagining. Despite having access to immense computational power and multiple physics-breaking technologies, the absolute best way they can think of to defeat entropy is by handing them out to random species along with hard-coded instructions to engage in localized entropy maximization until one of them happens to accidentally run across the solution for them.
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BizarroLand ♀ 08/28/2020 5:27 PM
Okay, it's just, there were lots of close calls where Taylor and co. might have died and there, but for the grace of God, Zion would have won in Gold Morning (edited)
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This is pretty much the equivalent of trying to build Deep Thought by mixing up a bowl of Primordial Soup Mix and waiting for it to evolve, stirring occasionally.
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Well, he would have defeated them. He couldn't really have "won" Gold Morning, because that was just a temper tantrum - when the Thinker entity died, a conventional Cycle became impossible, and Zion's response was to sit around and mope about it for decades. Then, on getting a patented Jack Slash pep talk, to blow up the world for the lulz.
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BizarroLand ♀ 08/28/2020 5:31 PM
as for the Entities' plan, yeah
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I can't see the Cycle generating a workable solution to thermodynamics in a quadrillion years
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Or ever, one may as well say ever
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(Without bothering to think of what would come next - apart from, one imagines, more moping.) Phenomenal cosmic powers. Brain of a nematode.
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BizarroLand ♀ 08/28/2020 5:33 PM
Then again, the Entities are evolved creatures to begin with
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Those are really flaky outside their design specs at the best of times (edited)
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I'm pretty sure that the shards have about a dozen potential solutions to entropy already in hand. It's just that that's not how they're supposed to find one, so Hub never asked.
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(I'm not sure yet whether that is Timeo Eldraeos canon, but the general notion that the shards could do all manner of wonderful, amazing, spectacular things were they not shackled to an unimaginative, conflict-obsessive control freak definitely is . Some of which you will see when I manage to finish the chapter before it so y'all can see Inference Engine's interlude.)
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BizarroLand ♀ 08/28/2020 5:40 PM
Yeah, I concede the point that the Entities are not very creative
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Actually, it may be a consequence of having outsourced their thinking to shards for so long. When you have a pile of thinker shards doing all the heavy lifting and a PtV shard supplying you with whatever you want, it would not be at all surprising if your native intellectual faculties decayed just a tad, especially over evolutionary time.
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“PtV, solve entropy without murdering anyone.”
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BizarroLand ♀ 08/28/2020 5:46 PM
hork hork
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Alternate perspective: consider an Entity as basically one baseline human-equivalent plus the results of seed AI development gone horribly, horribly wrong.
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Specifically, in the precisely the way you might expect if you programmed one to give you exactly what you asked for, and no backtalk (or use of initiative).
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i imagine if you had a seed AI... seed, or even just a clever normal AI, the fastest way to solve the Zion problem would be to become a entity, but smarter.
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think about this: the (uplink to the) shard responsible for putting together the entity's form(Panacea), the shard responsible for controling the entity's form (Skitter), and at least three powerful shards capable of putting together complex structures and summoning extradimensional matter... are all within a few kilometers of each other. (edited)
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Transcend seed: "Wanna see how fast I can bootstrap with a fully fueled omnifab with no security, multiple planets of spare matter, and a kiloton of low-grade computronium?"
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"Wanna see me do it again?"
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(which is basically the premise of the Orions Arm crossover oneshot i keep toying with. A SI1 gets dropped in the bay and woken up by Armsmaster, briefly wonders if someone is playing a prank on it, and then sets out on a terrifying (to everyone else) 1-2 hours of scheming and exponential growth.)
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(And in the other corner, Zion is a utterly baffling SI0 with something like SI3+ transavant spikes, turning a no-contest victory into a game of dodging around landmines while playing 1 dimensional chess.) (edited)
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Oof. Sounds... complicated.
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Morgrim Moon 08/29/2020 7:39 AM
I keep thinking of Lung adopting Skitter before she's had a chance to establish herself and how fascinating that could be.
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I think I like "Taylor ends up with another group who appreciate her" fics in general
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there's a fic that has that i think, though the adoption is before she gets her powers i think
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OA defines Singularity as “basically Yog-Sothoth to those below it”.
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well, their brain is literally too small to fully understand it... it fits. Or rather, it doesn't fit.
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which uh, makes writing from their viewpoint sorta definitionally impossible, as well. This is inconvenient.
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generally i'm planning for the vast majority of the crossover to not be from the hyperturing's perspective. Infact, the only 'perspective' we see of the hyperturing are incomplete translations.
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i want to take advantage of forum formatting to have expanding sections that are actually different settings on the hyperturing's "singularity-level mental process translation, SI1>SI0"; Each one lists their relative data loss (99%+) and lists the emphasized/neglected memeplexes of each method
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for instance, one might translate the hyperturing's thoughts in the form of concurrent logs from distinct mental processes, sort of like a computer diagnostic. Emphasized memeplexes: technological, mental velocity, multitasking, precision Deemphasized memeplexes: sophoncy, subjectivity, emotion
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while another describes the same events, but worded completely differently, as if it's a passage from a religious text. Which results in a completely different set of associated memes.
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part of my goal while writing this is to try to depict what a superintelligence is like. Which can only be done in abstract, like looking at a hand shadow puppets. The only way to get the slightest idea what you're dealing with is by seeing what it can do.
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One part of that is by showing how it can come along and casually alter a entire planet in hours, while everyone who tries to stop it ends up helping it. Another is by showing how even trying to understand what it's thinking results in something completely different depending on what angle you look at it from, so you know that you're looking at something literally incomprehensibly complex, like trying to reverse-engineer the biology of hands from shadows.
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every time someone thinks they understand it, they're wrong; the hyperturing decides that it can't afford to be honest yet, so it lies to Armsmaster and Dragon from the moment it wakes up; to them, it looks like another human-level Tinker AI who is unerringly polite and helpful... which is exactly what it needs to get access to Armsmaster's tooling while no one is looking. It outright kidnaps several parahumans in town, hero and villain both, because it needs more information on what powers are and access to them. Yet, once this is done, it just politely apologizes and releases them. It... doesn't quite cooperate with authorities, but it actually fills them in on what is going on as it starts jailbreaking shards and things get weird. And then there are the... coincidences. Starting at stuff you might think was a Simurgh plot, to the actual Simurgh landing and getting in a screaming match for 5 seconds before abruptly stopping, apologizing to everyone who heard, and then contributing like a helpful worker bee.
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part of why i'm putting it off so much is how difficult it is to write; every conversation has to come off as a manipulation if you look at it right, every action of it has to be towards a goal despite frequently being (apparently) unrelated. Lots of actors and lots of actions.
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(also IMO its tricky to write sorta-precog actions because its easy to make it into a unnecessarily elaborate rube-goldberg machine.)
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and poor, poor Tattletale. No one is quite sure what it said to the person with a SI1+ spike in information comprehension and critical thinking, but she was pale as a ghost during the entire... "conversation".
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But she did finally get painkillers that work on thinker headaches, so I guess she came out ahead.
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every conversation has to come off as a manipulation if you look at it right,
The hyperturing's situation ends up somehow stronger at the end of each one, is probably how people notice it.
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Harry Potter's on Syfy.
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Realized that the "Felix felicis" potion in book 6 works like the Contessa's Path of Victory.
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today on Worm: Gravitas.
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The Culture is a Recognized Civilizationary Level 8 galactic quasi-entity with a penchant for interference in the affairs of others. The Entities are trans-dimensional parasitic-annihilative data gatherers of unknown origin. Taylor Hebert is a human disgusted with the state ...
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In which The Culture comes along, is horrified, and then decides to fix things. Not the usual flavor of utopia around here, perhaps, but still tasty.
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And what better way to do it, then Taylor Hebert the Contact Agent
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"Top barrel's an electrolaser. It mostly stuns. Middle barrel's your mass driver, if and when killing's on the table." "And the bottom barrel?" "That's for... special occasions. Or if you wanna blow up moons."
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thats a bit of an escalation
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On second thoughts, let's imagine it as a switch with three settings, labeled "Squishies", "Brutes", and "Lung".
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Enderminion 09/06/2020 2:00 AM
what about Alexandria?
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Morgrim Moon 09/06/2020 2:13 AM
Lung setting likely works
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Yeah, starting out, it's just configured for local threats.
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Give it a year, and you can see the duct-taped additions to the switch labeled "Crawler", "Leviathan", and "Scion (HYPOTHETICAL)".
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Morgrim Moon 09/06/2020 2:20 AM
that implies she went looking for Leviathan specifically to test-shoot him
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FOR SCIENCE!
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Leviathan is a near-ideal test target
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consistent physical properties which gradually scale to cover a (extremely) wide range of durabilities, and self-repairing unless you damage the core, so no worries about replacing it
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Morgrim Moon 09/06/2020 9:48 AM
I dispute that. Leviathan is a good test target if you can grab him; he has a habit of appearing in unpredictable places at unpredictable intervals and is one of the best Endbringers at running away.
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fair enough, i am sort of assuming you can grab him and hold him still for testing
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"Coil looked at me like I was stupid. (I'm not stupid.)" - Tattletale, in Worm: The Musical [...since I don't Tumblr and can't therefore send this to incorrect-wormquotes]
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/06/2020 11:28 AM
T_T
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Fun power #n: Like an ancient Celt with an appropriate geas, you know the only circumstances in which you can be harmed, and they're weirdly specific. This extremely limited form of precog is all you get, but since you have proven that you can juggle chainsaws while riding a unicyle on a rope over a bathtub of napalm in perfect safety, what else do you need?
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"So, yeah, imma go pants Jack Slash now."
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todo: test "harm" and make sure it covers the edge cases
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no one wants Jack to tell Bonesaw to get creative.
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(that aside, invulnerability is a fun power; "YOU!" "Sup. Uh... Butcher, right?" "GET OUT OF MY LAIR!" "Nah, I don't feel like it. Besides-" takes bite "thees saanwochos oor dolicoos." "I'LL KILL YOU!" "Soore.")
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[There was a minor character in one story who's power was (Invulnerable, cannot be contained. Can extend to held objects. Otherwise normal strength.) and I can't get it out of my head how amazingly useful that would be to troll people]
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decides to start juggling knives for a living.
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"My fucking Event-Horizon bomb isn’t working like it should, and my tesseract bomb stopped being interesting five hours ago, since I can’t get all the parts I need to work in the fifth dimension. So now it’s just a four-dimension bomb for fucking peasants ." #tinkertroubles
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(Also, just saw the headline "Uber pledged to make their fleet all-electric", and my first thought was "Nah, Leet's power doesn't work that way.")
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wait isn't the point of uber as a service that they don't and can't standardize thier fleet or did they just become regular taxis but more evil while I wasn't paying attention
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 3:03 PM
"you can't be an Uber driver if your car runs on petrol" is I assume their solution
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Way to send 90% of thier fleet to thier rivals then
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 3:04 PM
seems like it
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I guess if they're failing as a business then failing in a smaller way with better PR might be constructive (edited)
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They're probably planning ahead to when they no longer need monkeypilots.
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Meh. Companies make pledges all the time. Worth the paper they're printed on
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s /companies/humans/
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 3:16 PM
that's why you make the paper worth something
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Pretty much. Just doubly so for corporations
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Enh. Never met a corporation yet that was notably below the average. Rather the opposite, actually, because contract.
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pledges generally don't have the same level of binding power as contracts~
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Indeed, but the overall effect of the pledge-contract ratio is that in terms of total word-keeping, corporations are generally ahead of the average.
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Reliability: corporations (can be held to many agreements) > individuals (can be held to a few agreements) > governments (can alter the bargain; pray they do not alter it further).
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In my personal experience, Corporations can and do very happily alter bargains regardless of contractual agreements.
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(Speaking, of course, in terms of the mode. There are exceptions to every generalization.)
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 3:25 PM
corporations are known to alter the government's bargains for them
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The amount of... creative adjustment that occurs in the shipping industry is rather impressive
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One would think that a Contract of Carriage is quite ironclad. One would find out that they are also quite wrong.
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 3:26 PM
like that time Microsoft was being investigated for tax fraud so it and a couple of its buddies went and kicked the IRS' budget out from under it so it couldn't continue the investigation
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I can personally say that virtually every major Steamship freight line does the "we are altering the bargain" on a regular basis.
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And let's not even get into Disney and copyright law
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@0111narwhalz Well, obviously. Who wouldn't buy a Senator or two if the price was right?
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 3:28 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I wouldn't
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Mainly because it's a lot easier to buy a gun and then force them
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 3:29 PM
could I buy a senator with the intent of making senators unbuyable? :V
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As a corporation, the government can make or break you with the stroke of a pen, and has done in the past. Buying enough of it to fend off attacks is mandatory once you reach a certain level; going beyond that to do it to them before they do it to you is... regrettable, but this part of reality is a zero-sum game and the only way to win is to win.
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tl;dr if you don't want corporations buying up all the government power they can, don't have a government that has the power to selectively cripple them or their competitors, because the former follows the latter as night follows day.
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(Obviously, it's not like I approve of this state of affairs, but in the Game-of-Thrones world in which we live, I decline to condemn people or organizations for not choosing to be suicidally stupid.)
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On other notes... and yet, basically. I know who's screwed me least over the last forty years or so, overall. Admittedly, it would be even nicer to live in the world in which the question "We have a contract, do we not?" carries much the same emotional resonance as "What does Marcellus Wallace look like?", but alas, I only write there.
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When was the last time the government actually executed a corporation?
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Standard Oil was just broken up and in a way that made Rockefeller even richer.
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Probably a very long time, inasmuch as shareholding is currently very widespread. Most notions of the "corporate death penalty" have unfortunate side effects on pension funds, union holdings, and grandmothers in Ohio, among other groups that - even if they cared not at all about the collateral damage - the government would prefer not to get all riled up.
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(Also, Standard Oil makes for a terrible example.)
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Yeah how often can a modern company drive their competitors to bankruptcy by illegally colluding with the railroads?
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 4:06 PM
company driving competitor bankrupt by colluding with railroads
…I smell an isomorphism with net neutrality
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Illegal in the sense that it was defined as illegal (an "unfair practice") after the fact.
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I mean, the Sherman Anti-Trust Act was spectacularly bad law, inasmuch as it essentially criminalizes doing Bad Things without bothering to offer more than a vage and subjective definition of what Bad Things are.
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There's this thing called "monopoly pricing" you see.
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Yes. It's the convenient excuse for any group of competitors, like Standard Oil's, who can't compete by providing a better price. You may note that it was Standard Oil's competitors who were pushing the antitrust action against them, not Standard Oil's customers, who were very happy to get a good product at a low price.
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And it's the customers who notionally are supposed to benefit from a commercial business, not its uncompetitive competitors.
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...also, just because:
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Have you actually read The Wealth of Nations, or does your idea of what's needed to maintain a healthy market come from Atlas Shrugged?
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You know that the state of economics have moved on some since 1776?
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 4:19 PM
and yet they're not quite to the point of 17776
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sooo, woman 1 was charged with exploiting a natural disaster to extract maximum value out of her products (something that's been regarded as at the least distasteful since the Roman Republic), woman 2 managed to get nailed for full bore product dumping (which is impressive because that usually gets seen on a nation-state level) and the third was part of a conspiracy to actively defraud consumers and the free market.
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I am actually mildly impressed. Actually getting jail time for any of those three usually requires some pretty blatant shenanigans.
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I'll issue my usual challenge: find me one case of monopoly pricing in reality that wasn't the result of a regulatory opportunity. There isn't one, because unchallengeable monopolies that haven't been regulated into existence don't exist . Never have. Never will.
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(And, incidentally, anti-price-gouging laws in the aftermath of natural disasters are, admittedly, terribly morally appealing to human psychology and yet incredibly stupid. Why, yes, let's ban the incentive for people outside the disaster zone to go to the trouble and expense of shipping necessary goods into it, which process in turn corrects the price. That will work!)
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(probably because in most natural disasters logistics systems are also substantially compromised and as such cannot get used to provide resources in a timely manner. Also neglecting the fact that sufficient product is VERY rarely stockpiled to a degree to correct the price. OR the fact that correction is not an instantaneous thing either. OR the fact that why would you want to rush large quantities of goods to a region, when instead you could only rush a small amount and extend that higher price point as long as you can?)
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1. Which is why you want an incentive for people to fix logistic systems and ship stuff by unconventional means. 2. Across the whole potential catchment area, seriously? 3. Because playing chicken with every other clever bugger who wants to make a quick profit is a good way to end up with nothing. (ObVious example: Say a hurricane hits Florida, again. Much damage, many blackout, wow. Me, I'm sitting pretty here in Kansas with a hardware store full of portable generators, retailing for $40. If I can sell them for $120 down in FL, it's worth it to me to buy a shelf or two, stick them in the back of my truck, and drive them down into the disaster zone even at some risk to life and limb. If, on the other hand, I can only sell them at $40, or even $45, I might as well sit on my ass and do nothing. Which of these gets some lucky Floridians their lights back on? Now iterate across the rest of the country that has pickups, some free time, and access to stuff that would be of use whereever just got disasterified.) (edited)
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((Granted, some people will do it anyway because they're both rich enough to take the loss and are significantly kinder than the mode. Relying on these people is generally not a good plan, because they're in much shorter supply than people who respond to incentives to do well by doing good.))
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to be honest, i kind of view modern economics/politics as something like a insane free-for-all barfight in a Tortuga bar.
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where you can't throw a punch without hitting someone who deserves it, so it really doesn't matter much if you swing like crazy or sit by the side and watch
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Of course, as a matter of principle I am obliged to support the right of all individuals and groups to do business on whatever consensual terms they damn well please, but it is rather convenient that the laws of nature happen to agree with me.
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like, as a example; breaking up Standard Oil was, technically speaking, all kinds of funky. (Making something illegal after the fact?) But you're in a barfight in Tortuga and you just punched that guy who sunk a ship full of monks, so who cares?
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it's a zero sum game if you're lucky, a negative sum game if you aren't, and everyone playing is a asshole
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the results are entertaining.
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People who like inexpensive kerosene? The three people in the world who have principles? My left buttock?
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Stuff does manage to mostly function, most of the time, somehow.
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"Like the Internet and the biosphere, the economy functions mostly in spite of many dedicated efforts to stop it." - me
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my worldview could be described, variously, as "extremely pessimistic", "depressing", or "defeatist", depending on how charitable you want to be
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my reaction to bad things is generally "well yeah but that's a given."
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But then, all three are things that have "bypass the fuck out of points of failure" as a fundamental principle.
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People were complaining about supply chain disruption and how clearly everywhere needs to be self-sufficient during the start of the whole people-noticing-COVID-19 thing, but it seems like, on the whole, there was mostly food and stuff around and it got resolved fairly fast.
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(although marmite rice cakes seem to be missing now?)
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 4:47 PM
mostly the only fault was the run on toilet paper, as far as I can see
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discussing this is usually not conducive to good moods, so i try not to mention it too much because selflessly, you're trying to be happy and write happy things and that intereferes, and selfishly, you don't write as much when depressed and i like reading your stuff
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There was also somewhat less carbohydratey stuff (bread/pasta) available for a bit, as far as I could tell.
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Supply chains are still kinda flaky in places - especially getting things from China, thank ICE and our Fuckwit-in-Chief's trade war - but yeah, even they're adapting pretty well.
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I generally find myself comforted by the notion that we have lucked into a situation in which these things, essential for prosperity, are very hard to break.
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 4:50 PM
carbohydratey stuff
see above RE: toilet paper
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Okay, back from my shower. To respond to Cerebrate's comment (text wall incoming)
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(eventually0
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...random idea, it was mentioned that supply/demand price changes aren't instant. I wonder if a electronic bidding/microbidding system would make up for that
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[It's also worth noting that shipping freight is kind of my job, so this ought to be amusing XD ]
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bidding is a pretty good way to very quickly adjust prices to demand, after all
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The tendency is for transactions to become more efficient, but it seems unlikely that there's ever gonna be a great way to make markets clear faster in the middle of a natural disaster.
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this is true. Though, increased technological perfusion would help.
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we're getting there with stuff like phones, but there's still a lot of reliance on local infrastructure
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It would be neat if mesh networking was more practical.
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Apparently doing not-much-configuration mesh routing is a very hard problem, and it seems like the existing protocols are designed in ways which make it annoying too.
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The routing table size issue is something of a bugger.
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 4:55 PM
yeah…
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There are some experiments like yggdrasil and cjdns, but I don't know how well they scale beyond the few thousand random people testing it.
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but the thing to keep in mind is that technology tends to be exponential, but emergency functions don't necessarily change much. In 50 years, you probably aren't going to be able to stream 4d color smellovision over emergency BrainPhone mesh networking, but text messages? Hell, communication negotiation that that point takes more data than a few sentences.
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Apparently yggdrasil gets around issues with memory using some sort of strange algorithm involving trees and by dropping the requirement to always find the best available path.
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Current protocols that work on anything but the smallest networks pretty much require hierarchical addressing to keep the routing table sizes down to something the core routers can handle in a reasonable time. Pure mesh routing... urgh, gets ugly, especially with moving nodes.
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1. Which is why you want an incentive for people to fix logistic systems and ship stuff by unconventional means.
Which is great to say for some disaster X years down the road, but even if you decide to entirely eliminate transportation as an issue, you still have actual distribution. That takes a physical plant with operational infrastructure somewhere. And sadly warehouses aren't the most durable of structures. You can get away with having a clear dirt lot, but even that may not be available.
2. Across the whole potential catchment area, seriously?
Yep. Just-In-Time shipping is a pretty big thing, and that extends all the way down to final distro/retail from initial production and raw resources. The shortages earlier this year of some basic supplies like hand sanitizer and disposable face masks are a prime example. Outside of some emergency governmental stockpiles, what you got was what was available. And if you're shipping product from an area not hit by a natural disaster to one that did, you are doing a robbing-peter-to-pay-paul situation. Somewhere you're not gonna be servicing your market.
3. Because playing chicken with every other clever bugger who wants to make a quick profit is a good way to end up with nothing.
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ack, no response for 3. stanby.
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For the second thing, it does seem... pretty much fine... to ship emergency-use goods from places without natural disasters going on to places with them.
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I mean, they're more useful there.
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3. Because playing chicken with every other clever bugger who wants to make a quick profit is a good way to end up with nothing.
When everyone runs just-in-time, and everyone does to a fairly substantial degree, you can play chicken all you want. Your products still get sold.
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 4:59 PM
If there's one thing Factorio has taught me, it's that buffers are useless if you don't have the production capacity to keep up.
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@gollark oh, totally. That does happen to a pretty substantial degree. But what usually happens is that since there's no real buffer, is that very quickly BOTH places run out of supply. In some cases, this isn't too bad a thing in the grand scheme of things.
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for #2, shortages are not necessarily a dire thing. If you're short on hand sanitizer in a normal area, people buy a bar of soap or some hand wipes. If you're short on canned goods, you buy some frozen goods or a pound of beef. In a non-disaster area, people can adapt to shortages in goods by taking on... whatever the technical term for 'alternate goods fulfilling a similar purpose' is, at only a small cost to their satisfaction. In a disaster area, canned goods may be the difference between eating and not eating. Not eating tends to be a rather large factor in satisfaction.
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so you have a net positive by shipping suitable goods to a disaster area, unless you ship so many that people start starving in the non-disaster area.
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So uh, don't do that.
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/08/2020 5:05 PM
I know this is late, but as far as monopolies -- Standard Oil?
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1. I don't dispute that, but would point out that this is also why you need incentives to make these things happen, or in some cases, exist. 2. That's (the earlier shortage) not really like a (local) natural disaster situation, that was a (global) panic. Although even in one of those, prices should still rise, because a rise in the price of good X is what tells manufacturers to start making more good X, even at the cost of some good Y. And, sure, we have scarcity, so you are robbing Peter to pay Paul, but Peter and Paul aren't equal. Paul is the guy in Florida with no power; Peter is the guy in Ohio who needs a generator for backyard party lights. For any product with more than one use in one situation, you want it to be allocated to the most important needs first. Price is by no means a perfect proxy for this, but given the Calculation Problem, it's the best one we have.
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/08/2020 5:05 PM
ah, it was discussed above
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for 1), having distribution infrastructure, NOT transportation infrastructure, is the real killer mostly. And short of being willing to throw a LOT of money at it, warehousing/pick and pack/delivery is a fairly solved solution.
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@BizarroLand ♀ Not an unchallengeable monopoly, as evidenced by the fact that by the time it was broken up, its market share had already dropped to 60-65% of refining from a peak around 90% of refining. (edited)
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And quite a few of the solutions either require a kind of obscene over-engineering that probably only the Eldrae or similar species would consider, or require the existence of other parts of local infrastructure that also are likely offline in the case of a point-form disaster.
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for 1), as a side point, technology is going to stomp on some of those problems as it marches on.
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enh, to a degree?
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3. The point there is that you can't get away with only shipping in small amounts to keep the price high, because everyone else is competing with you for that high price. If you don't get in there up front with as much as you can, somebody else will .
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distribution in a flood zone with no roads is hard currently. Except, now we're getting drones that can drop stuff off whereever you want
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some of the problems you start running into with warehousing operations isn't a matter of technology but straight physics
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LIke, you only have four sides to a single floor warehouse.
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 5:10 PM
ballistic package delivery
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You can build a multi-floor warehouse, but the floor loading starts getting obscene VERY quickly. You start to look like you're building a castle, not a warehouse.
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 5:10 PM
airship-based volumetric freight terminals
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/08/2020 5:10 PM
@Overmind A better example may be De Beers, but there's a lot of asterisks there too
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 5:11 PM
build a castle while you're at it
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I mean, even a pallet of clothing can be upwards of 1000 kg, and that's just thin cloth, thinner plastic, and cardboard boxes that are more card than box
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in extremis (which we're getting to if we're talking about a situation where normal people seriously consider buying a couple generators, driving over, and selling them door-to-door for a profit) You could just drive up a flatbed truck with goods and a hastily bought FreightDrone from the local hardware store, and then tell it to drop off goods via people's phone's gps
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no storage whatsoever; the goods get there, the goods get to where they're going.
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1. Yeah, but there's "now" and "eventually". The day after the hurricane, if your distribution infrastructure consists of a patch of cleared ground where people are selling plywood and generators off the back of trucks, you're still beating the preexisting "nothing".
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And as for better - well, the more people want to ship stuff into the region, the more shipping, etc., companies are incentivized to provide service to said region, and therefore to get in there and fix their shit so that they can .
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Also, we need hypercube warehouses.
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Or hyperbolic space warehouses.
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I don't want to see what the ground-loading for those would look like XD
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 5:16 PM
infinite
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Basically, Time Lord logistics. A warehouse that's bigger on the inside and has doors everywhere.
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Hyperbolic geometry has interesting properties I would probably like to know more about except geometry is very hard.
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relevant
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also ow my spatial reasoning
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 5:16 PM
a warehouse that can be anywhern you need it to be, excrete a package containing exactly what you need, and begone
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if I'm wishing for madness I might as well just go straight to Mat-trans or teleporters and cut most of the infrastructure right outta the picture XD
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Just nanorobotically/magically assemble everything exactly where it's needed.
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0111narwhalz 09/08/2020 5:18 PM
cornucopia machines on a network of giant mass-energy busbars
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Digistruct!
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use closed time loops to make goods out of thin air before you want them (non-consumables only)
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/08/2020 5:19 PM
jusst one word
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mcv
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Srsly, though, I kind of like the idea of the Time Lord who uses his TARDIS solely to run the universe's biggest and fastest storage, shipping, and logistics companies. The others may look down on him because this really ought to be beneath the dignity of their ancient and powerful race, but he can't hear them over the liquid-gold waves lapping at the diamond-studded shore below his beach palace, under the light of a solid platinum moon...
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/08/2020 5:21 PM
liquid gold sounds nlike a thermal hazard
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As an ancient and powerful race, I would hope at least some of them have respect for the importance of a good logistics train.
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i dunno i mean, they're a race of immortals who sneer on immortality
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or at least the Doctor does.
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maybe he's a odd one
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side discussion: i like imagining what systems will look like when technology has marched for a while, it leads to interesting places. Example Imagine a point where predictive algorithms get really, really good. An example would be a scene in Weirdtopia, where the main character thinks for a bit, and then decides he'll get a maidbot. And then the doorbell rings, and the maidbot is waiting outside his door.
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that's all well and good and interesting, but now imagine this: Supply/demand still applies in some form, people can get cheaper stuff by getting it at low demand. So savvy consumers utilize these algorithms to predict periods of low demand and buy stuff accordingly (edited)
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and then things get recursive, and things get complicated.
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so taking it further, this might end up tying prices to personally available computing power
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you're effectively trying to outthink everyone else to get better prices. The winner is going to be who can think smarter, and who can think harder. Assuming things mature for long enough that there aren't radical advances in the 'smarter' part, it'll come down to whoever has more processing power to throw at it.
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except electricity and computers aren't free, so in some situations, for large investments, it'd be advantageous to buy or rent computing services for the sake of getting a lower price And it doesn't make sense to spend more on computing than you'd save on the good, so there'd be a upper limit to how much you'd want to invest... which might actually lead to a elaborate zero-sum coordination problem where everyone spends roughly the same computing power to get prices that would be the same as if no one did, except no one can just stop because they'd spend more than if they used the computing power.
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Headlines from the Future: `Neo-Harvard Professor says we need to ban electrodiscounters, PriceHackers community in uproar!" (edited)
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Morgrim Moon 09/08/2020 8:01 PM
re incentivising people to load up a truck: the problem is in many disasters you want to actively DISCOURAGE that, because historically and in practice the people doing that, while having good intentions, tend to make the issue worse. I'm thinking specifically of bushfires and cyclone aftermaths in Australia where lots of people who've tried that have gotten their vehicles stuck, blocked the roads needed by emergency services, and outright gotten people killed. It's why one of the first things done post-evacuation is putting roadblocks around the affected area. Now, doing that once the roads reopen? Sure. And there are companies who as a side-gig have the equipment and qualifications to get in and out of disaster zones safely and they tend to do the haulage, but then it's more "you who are outside the area make a deal with someone inside the area and deliver your stuff to the reinforced road train", which tends to have a more moderate profit (due to much lower risk)
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Probably not going to appear in future chapters: https://aiweirdness.com/post/628791398606471168/ai-supervillains
Earlier, I did the rather unsettlingly meta exercise of using a new neural net, GPT-3, to generate hypothetical AI Weirdness blog posts. One of the tricks I can do with this: GPT-3 can play along with an opening in which I declare that I’ve performed a feat of dataset meldin...
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"A supervillain who creates deadly chainsaws made of living spiders." Skitter heavy breathing
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bonus points: A teenager and kinda nice.
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Infinite Bee Recursion
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0111narwhalz 09/11/2020 1:33 AM
"I'm not sure how to feel about the fact that telling a neural net to pretend it's a smaller, more confused neural net is now easier than actually training the smaller neural net."
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(well, for those lucky few with access to GPT-3, at least.)
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xD
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I am embarrased
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For the longest time, I thought her name was related to the weather concept of the Hebert Box
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A Hebert Box (pronounced AY-bear, also known as Hebert's Box) is one of two regions of the tropical Atlantic Ocean that are useful as predictors of hurricanes that will strike South Florida, USA. They are named for former National Weather Service and National Hurricane Center ...
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lmao
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Enderminion 09/12/2020 1:00 AM
Challenge, write a worm AU where she is Taylor Herbert
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and see how long it takes people to clue in
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Morgrim Moon 09/12/2020 1:01 AM
I feel I'm missing a joke here
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the MC's full name is Taylor Annette Hebert, but its really easy to misread that as "Herbert", so lots of people end up confused about which it is
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if you wrote that fic, it's probably take a good while and/or a not-so-subtle nudge to clue people in. Otherwise everyone would just assume you're misspelling it... and ignoring every correction in the comments for some reason.
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@Enderminion Everything is exactly the same except someone misspelled Danny's birth certificate
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Morgrim Moon 09/12/2020 1:49 AM
Ah, I thought the "Venom" bit on that meme meant she was a parasite that had the "real" Taylor's memories or something and that this was a popular genre of wormfic
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oh no that's just a chapter of Worm
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The Hubbert peak - the point of maximal oil production. The Hebert peak - the point of maximal OH GOD SPIDERS AAAAAARGH
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Did you mean: gold morning
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Morgrim Moon 09/12/2020 10:43 AM
it is spider season here, should I post semi-relevant photo? 😛
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BluejayHurricane 09/12/2020 10:47 AM
Spoilered
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Morgrim Moon 09/12/2020 10:50 AM
I keep seeing these on my ride home from work, they have a very distinctive blue eyeshine. Most are about 2-3 cm leg to leg. However there are a few bigger ones that are about 3 times that size; I don't know if this is adult/adolescent or male/female difference
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they're some sort of wolf spider but I'm not sure of the species
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I mostly try not to run over them and occasionally cart one outside
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awwwww 💕
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Morgrim Moon 09/12/2020 11:25 AM
their venom isn't fatal to humans, it only causes pain and dizziness 🙂
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/12/2020 11:27 AM
:concern:
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:long time consequences concern:
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Morgrim Moon 09/12/2020 1:35 PM
there's only 3 aussie spiders whose bite has long term consequences
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Enderminion 09/12/2020 2:06 PM
A fairly large for the region spider came charging at me while I was naked in the bathroom
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screams internally
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I actually love and appreciate spiders
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for weird reasons
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they eat mosquitoes. that’s good enough in my book.
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i like spiders like i like radioactive material. withing useful, outside touching range
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when Taylor gets a strong power in a worm fic, part deux: “Why wouldn’t I be calm?” Taylor asked, yawning in the middle. “It’s just the Nine.”
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@Buggy actual Taylor: "What in the Kentucky fried fuck?"
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Good news: Next chapter is up. Also, I have now added dates. Bad news: Interlude from Inference Engine is now delayed past the next chapter. More good news: Although at least that chapter should be quicker.
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aww...
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yay!
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there's probably a lesson to be learned here
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now, whether it's "take more breaks, especially for sleep" or " search for a better alternative than ultra-coffee if you don't want to stop, especially for sleep"
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is the real question.
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Morgrim Moon 09/20/2020 3:17 AM
the subtler lesson is "Tattertale has experience with Tinkers getting into fugues", which is interesting
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0111narwhalz 09/20/2020 3:21 AM
I thought Taylor was rooming with a Tinker.
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she is the tinker
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(all of the tinker)
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0111narwhalz 09/20/2020 3:22 AM
Taylor is not a Tinker tinker though
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Morgrim Moon 09/20/2020 3:23 AM
well, one can argue Rose is a Tinker and sharing all the knowledge, so she's headrooming with one 😛
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0111narwhalz 09/20/2020 3:23 AM
or wait no Tattletale is a Thinker right?
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Morgrim Moon 09/20/2020 3:23 AM
yes. She's basically Sherlock Holmes on steroids
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and slightly less obnoxious because she doesn't brag about how she deduces, so most people assume she's plain old psychic
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0111narwhalz 09/20/2020 3:26 AM
I think headaches might just be shared then
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part of that might be because Inference Engine isn't very talkative about how it comes to conclusions
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Is tattletale's shard canonically named Inference Engine or is that just popular fanon?
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Tats pretty much just knows the input and the output; she can look at the sink and determine that the dishes haven't been washed in 15 hours, and the last three meals were some leftover pasta, a baked potato, and some pre-cooked fish in that order. But she doesn't know how she gets to that from a glance at some dirty dishes.
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canonically it's actually The Negotiator
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Each Entity is comprised of "trillions upon trillions upon trillions" of Shards, so trying to chronicle all of them is an exercise in madness. Presented alphabetically, these names are based on...
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Makes sense, I feel like sometimes fannon relates the powers shards grant to thier domain a little too closely
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shard names are kinda imperfect translations anyway
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i mean, legend's shard is "Coruscant Knave" as opposed to, yknow "Lasers Work That Way Because I Say So."
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Yeah I mean that's my point kinda?
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I don't get the impression that shards have One Superpower Each
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So over-assuming that the power they did grant is central to What They Do And Care About is foolish
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One suspects that ordering lasers to do stupid shit is useful to many possible interests
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And that making lasers act weird is an important enough domain that there are many shards with many philosophies about them
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oh, definitely
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i mean while it didn't strictly come up in the story, Wildbow has said that the trigger conditions determine most of how a power manifests
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under the right conditions, many shards can give a power in almost any category
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shaker, blaster, tinker, etc.
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also apparently the trigger conditions behind tinkers are really fucking complicated and detailed
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TINKERS MOVER SHAKER BRUTE BREAKER MASTER TINKER BLASTER THINKER STRIKER CHANGER TRUMP STRANGER Tinkers are capes with powers that enable the individual to fabricate things. By creating tinkers, the entities can explore options, exploring ideas, science and knowle...
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Wildbow is one of those authors with, like sooooo much WOG setting material lying around
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which is saying something when the first story in one of his universes of fiction is over a million fucking words long
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What was that quote about 99% of what you read being writen by insane people
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For the purposes of this AU, and because I have opinions on the virtues of specialization, I declare it to be TRVTH that shards have specific purposes and themes, and that while the powers they grant can vary considerably depending on how the link to the host forms, it'll always be some part of their basic functionality. There ain't a shard that can give you anything or everything. Except High Priest. Or, for that matter, if Queen Administrator were to trigger in a possible Trump form, since ordering other shards around is what she does - although for that reason, Scion may have locked off her ability to offer that particular power to hosts.
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So, for example, QA could grant a Master power (canon), a completely different Master power (Danny, in this fic), Thinker (perfect administration - also Danny), Trump (as above), maybe even Tinker (specializes in coordination/administration/management tools) or Tinker (mad social scientist), but you aren't going to get, say, Brute or Stranger powers out of her, the former being irrelevant to her theme and the latter contrary to it. (edited)
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Or, on another one, Inference Engine is obviously very Thinker-focused, but it's easy to see how she could also grant, say, Tinker specializations related to observation and cognition, Shaker powers for pulling in an area's data like a genius loci, Trump powers that pull data out of other shards, maybe even one of those weird Stranger powers that relies on inferring who you should be in this situation and making everyone see you that way, psychic-paper style -- but you aren't going to get a Blaster power out of her, or a Mover.
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Morgrim Moon 09/20/2020 10:47 AM
I like this take
10:49
the Lord Doom fic did a solid take on Queen Admin as Tinker: sure, Taylor thought it was 'just' being good at drones, but she was using those drones as a complex distributed intelligence force specifically to spy on other capes, and then using them to manipulate the capes around her via more understanding of psychology than baseline Taylor really had. It's a good example of the shard's personality coming out a bit in the human.
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mad social scientist
I'd really like to see something like this somewhere.
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Link?
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Ah, it’s in Discourse.
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Wonder what exactly was in whatever it was Taylor drank?
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What would be the Imperial form of Taylor’s name?
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that's my impression of how it works in canon, pretty much. Some shards are more versatile than others, as far as what they can manifest as; you probably aren't going to get a mover power out of Inference Engine for sure, unless you get some really weird thinker power that lets you know the best way to get to a destination as fast as possible. A complicating factor, though, is that triggers can produce hybrid shards, and this too is dependant on the trigger conditions. Look at Glory Girl; Fragile One is a combination of Brandish, Photon Mom, and Gallant. But Fragile One was a entirely new shard; I don't know if the process can also occur with pre-existing shard, and also if it is limited to second gen triggers or not. But if it can, and isn't, then a shard could manifest just about anything via hybridization in the right circumstances.
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/20/2020 4:27 PM
What is the Imperial form of a name?
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Overly-Long Name: Played quite straight among the eldrae, and other people prone to use relevant bits of the same name-format. Fortunately, most of it is optional – of course, that’s op…
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/20/2020 5:11 PM
whoa and, I don't think the house system even applies to humans
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Unless they're of some noble lineage
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Found an early draft in the Discourse comment section. TaylorAnn Hebert-ith-Hebert ion-Danel iel-AnnetteRose mis-Terra-en-BrocktonBay
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Also, reading other responses there, and wondering, yes, when are Endbringers & Co. going to notice?
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Because the logical response to finding something that could pose a future threat, is to crush it NOW.
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With overwhelming force.
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Like, all the Endbringers at once, and maybe throwing in Scion for good measure, levels of force.
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@Tassadar speaking of
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I give it about a week before Taylor brings Annette back to life
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Um, how long has she been dead for? In the story?
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I don’t think that they can just resurrect people who have been dead for significant periods of time unless their bodies have been specifically preserved with that in mind.
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Um...
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What?
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Permadeath, at least once the corpse has begun to break down, has never been shown to be reversible in-universe. Why do you think that would change now? If Cerebrate decides that, at some point between the present day in-universe and when the crossover starts, that the Empire of the Star has found a way to reverse permadeath where the body has deteriorated substantially, he will likely either a), state it on his blog before it becomes relevant in-story, or b) make it be a result of an interaction or of interactions between Eldrae!tech and Tinker!tech.
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oh my god will it's a joke
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Also, on an unrelated note, how prepared is E!Taylor for any sort of major operation? If she is not yet prepared, what does she still need to develop and/or manufacture?
18:57
Has sidearm weapons, but no armor. Or combat drones/robots. Or heavy weaponry. Or secure methods of communication. Or NBCN defenses. Or any defenses for that matter.
18:58
The RTS-player in me is screaming at her to develop and build up some base defenses stat.
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But also, ECM/ECCM/E3CM etc. And some C4I(?) capabilities. Maybe something for air support?
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Of course, OTOH, I am right now running with the assumption that her arrival has just started a timer counting down until the Endbringers dogpile her.
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If that is the case, how long do y’all estimate until they arrive? Will it just be the three that are known at the time? Or will they bring/make others for backup? Will Scion tag along, just in case?
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the Simurgh is probably noticing something is a bit... off, by this point, but that doesn't mean she can do anything. It's not quite clear how strictly she's limited, but it's entirely possible she can't take overt action between attacks at all and she can't precog E!Taylor well enough to nudge the right domino to stop her.
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of course, Leviathan is coming to Brockton next, but that's a while away and she's already gotten a cornucopia running.
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Drop Behemoth on Brockton Bay at the same time as Levi and herself? and what about the other Endbringers mentioned later on? what about Scion?
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can they do that?
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I don't know.
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keep in mind the endbringers are operating under standing orders from Eidolon
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orders they aren't shown to violate, at all, until he dies.
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What about Scion?
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Could Simurgh ask Scion to take care of Taylor? What about Eden? (edited)
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he is uh... absent minded.
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also the Simurgh wants to kill Scion
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as do the other endbringers
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Eden is braindead
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Can she Simurgh-Bomb people from where she usually stays?
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Orbit?
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Can she?
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No she has to land
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Could she just 'tell' everyone in and around Brockton Bay to kill Taylor now?
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well, half and half
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that's not how it works
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okay so simurgh bombs are a little more complicated than that
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she might be able to directly puppet people in her range, which under her standing orders is like a few kilometers
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but she doesn't
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On a related note, I still don't understand why the government doesn't just nuke the Endbringers when they start attacking
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Can't they just shrug off most attacks outright?
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instead, she uses her very very strong precog modelling to figure out how to get people to snap in the future, and then she messes with their head just a little to get them to do that. Depending on how well she's modelled things she can even point them at times/places and set up more complicated dominos
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she can kinda do that while in orbit, but she isn't permitted to use her telekinesis at that range even if she probably could. The only major action we see her take while in orbit is to shift slightly, causing a burst of interference that scrambles a communication that would've revealed the nature of shards/entities to Dragon.
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but there's a good chance that she's facing something she can't properly model, meaning she can't set up dominos to stop it because she doesn't know what shape this new domino is
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she could try by just arranging stuff to get destructive in the general vicinity, but there's only so much she can do currently and, unlike other unpredictables like Eidolon, she doesn't even have a half-decent idea how this new one is going to behave; any sort of finnesse in the general area is going to be nigh-impossible.
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as for nuking endbringers; Russia tried that. It didn't work.
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They are rather durable, as it turns out.
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also Moscow isn't.
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Would Casaba Howitzers be more effective?
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possibly not
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and all the people who could build one are reluctant to try, given they almost always attack populated areas and it didn't work last time
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Hmm...
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ok as a example
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Phir Se attacked behemoth with a similar attack when Behemoth attacked New Delhi
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he had a sort of time looping power, and this allowed for creating exponentially large amounts of energy
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so he did that, and got enough energy in one spot to wipe out all of india
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Isn't doing stuff with energy kind of Behe's schtick?
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he didn't deflect it.
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Behemoth is limited to one energy type at the time, he wasn't on the right type when he was hit
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so that would be... i don't know, teratons worth?
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A direct hit from that. Not only a direct hit from that, but he was enclosed in a cylindrical forcefield that contained the blast, directing it against him even more
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it didn't kill him. It didn't even injure him, relatively speaking.
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And then Scion IIRC ripped his head off.
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Or something.
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Is Scion somehow capable of bypassing their durability?
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the homeless person that Scion listens to clarified that he should kill endbringers, so he gave it a shot
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also yes, Scion kills behemoth and then later Leviathan and i think one of the newer endbringers too
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and leviathan dies after they stop holding back and Simurgh upgrades him, for that matter.
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So, in other words, if Scion decides at this point that Taylor needs to die, she doesn't stand a chance. Is Scion going to be aware that Taylor is an anomaly in the Cycle? If so, would he take action?
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yes, maybe, probably not in that order
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Scion is so absentminded because he's lost and/or grieving
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the Cycle is broken, their version of it can't continue without two entities and Scion doesn't know how to revive Eden
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Ah. For some reason I was thinking he didn't care/was waiting for something to happen.
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and that's his entire point for existing, so he's kinda lost. He's literally saving people because a homeless person yelled at him and he interpreted it as saying "if you help people you'll feel better"
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and for that matter, he only goes on a rampage later because Jack Slash told him "if you hurt people you'll feel better"
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If Taylor somehow figured out a way to revive Eden, what would happen?
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they would continue the cycle, in all likelyhood
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which uh, would be bad. That sorta requires exploding a planet.
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to be specific, all of the different versions of Earth
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the entities probably don't really have gratitude.
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Hmm... Learning more about Worm.
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/20/2020 7:56 PM
Every endbringer can take hundreds of millions of atmospheres of pressures
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In practice, it takes either Scion or breaking the laws of physics to harm one
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So, will Taylor be capable of harming them?
19:57
it's more a matter of needing exotic attacks rather than stronger attacks
19:57
one of the most effective weapons against them is Sting, which is a old anti-entity attack shard
19:58
it basically just takes a object and extends it multidimensionally somehow, so when you shoot anything that is only in one/a few dimensions it just pokes through with no resistance
19:58
that can go straight through endbringers with no resistance whatsoever, though it still won't actually do permanent damage unless you hit their core.
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Are there any things that Taylor has that would be capable of doing this?
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in this fic, multiple dimensions work slightly differently; there aren't inherently multiple dimensions, its a effect induced by the entities by playing around with quantum probabilities and peaks thereof. In effect, everything becomes less 'real' but there are multiple 'reals' at the same time
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Sting might work by selectively reversing that, returning a selection of matter to normal.
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in which case it could probably be replicated
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At what point do you think that that will become possible for Taylor?
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probably after Leviathan attacks, but maybe before the next attack after that?
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Can Simurgh tell Leviathan to target specific individuals?
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probably, and he'll also do his own analysis and go after problematic individuals
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he does that a few times in the fight
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so it's quite possible he'll go after Taylor, but that doesn't mean it'll work
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i mean, she's had a week with super coffee and she has a cornucopia up and running and is already working on growing backups. It might be a month or two before Leviathan comes
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But if she isn't capable of killing or at least seriously wounding an Endbringer by then, she will be hard-pressed to escape that encounter alive. How easily could Leviathan be faked into believing that Taylor is dead if he kills her current shell and she does not reenter the fray?
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no i mean, at that point it might not matter even if Leviathan isn't tricked
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How so?
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if Taylor has 16 independent backup servers distributed across the entire planet, what is Leviathan going to do?
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he could smash all of Brockton down to rubble (which is probably not permitted under standing orders) and not kill her
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also he can't just escalate to overwhelming force immediately
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But Taylor will likely be restricted to an online presence of sorts, unless she hides a cornucopia somewhere.
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standing orders and all. He has to pretend to be a beatable-ish monster, not a extraterrestrial killing machine that is really holding back.
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he might not be able to kill her at all after she gets armor and a drone swarm and etc up.
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Not sure how difficult it would be for Simurgh to detect Eldrae!Tech.
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Also, Individual backup sites may not have the defenses to fend off an Endbringer attack. (edited)
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my understanding is that the Simurgh is basically statistical and algorithmic modelling taken up to 13
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as opposed to, for instance, a complete simulation of a deterministic universe
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Doesn't Simurgh have Perfect Precog?
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I thought she did.
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not perfect, no, just really good
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so good that you would be forgiven for thinking it's perfect
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but the difficult points come up in the blindspots; a enforced blindspot is Eidolon and Scion, she can't directly see them to get information for her models. She can come up with models that fit and try to figure out how the hole works from the shape of everything around it.
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sort of how like Contessa can't model Scion but can ask "path to kill someone exactly like what I know about Scion."
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Also, armor that follows the laws of physics will likely do jack all against a determined Endbringer. If the drones are big enough, they can be smashed; if not, destroy the power distribution and drown them in saltwater.
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limitations though, limitations
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sure, Leviathan could just pick up all of the oceans at once and pressure wash the entire planet
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If the Endbringers decide Taylor needs to die, restrictions be damned, she dies.
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but he isn't allowed to
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it doesn't work like that, they can't violate restrictions
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At least until she acquires some form of ontotech.
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like as a example
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Can't, as in are bound to a contract can't, or can't, as in are physically unable to?
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so Scion goes crazy, right?
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and he burns down half the planet
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and everyone else is being desperately evacuated.
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but Eidolon hasn't died yet, so their restrictions still apply
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so do you know what the endbringers do?
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they keep attacking completely empty cities.
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iirc they do attack more than normal, but their restrictions are in part tied to eidolon's mental state so that's probably why.
20:18
the Endbringers are basically semi-sentient, perfectly obedient war machines and Eidolon is butt-typing on the control console.
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if you give them orders they'll listen.
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they're closer to computers; they'll do what you tell them, not what you want.
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and they evidently don't have some lower-level protocols forcing them to aid the cycle because they literally help kill Scion.
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Hold on. How does this Cycle thing all work?
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Entities find a planet, do some precog work to find out a decent setup, descend and distribute limited versions of their capabilities to lots of the local sophonts, observe and manage things to ensure high levels of conflict, recall shards when they're done, go over findings to see what they've learned, and then explode the planet and use the energy to refuel.
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they outsource creativity to the local population and then blow them up when they're done, in short.
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they don't really understand that there are other ways to learn things than conflict, so they try to get as many shard-bearers to fight each other as they can
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Fanon is that the Endbringers are high-level weapons intended to stir things up and break up large alliances if it comes up during a cycle, generally intended for more technologically advanced or united worlds, but Eidolon sat on the control console so Earth gets them anyway.
20:25
not sure how much of that is canon, though
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This is also why you get things like tinkertech being non-replicable and limited to small-scale effects; if it was widely usable, that would interfere with their results.
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Morgrim Moon 09/20/2020 8:44 PM
Taylor is a problem precisely because she is an Outside Context problem. At this point all the Entities know is that something shooed them away from a target and she seems to have triggered anyway. Since Scion can't directly control Eden's dead shards, there's the possibility that Taylor has one of those (we know there's a few already in Brockton Bay) and at the moment Taylor hasn't done anything notable. She has run away and hid, and built some Tinker-y things. Hardly a threat in need of crushing. Especially considering the Entities want novelty and conflict. That will likely change, but not until Taylor has ramped up enough to make a splash.
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also Scion is probably not paying close attention in the first place
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All the current valid WoG has now been added to the WoG thread on Discourse.
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Wonder what exactly was in whatever it was Taylor drank? Basically, spiced mead doped with side-effect-free speed, noötropics, focus enhancers, and some theobromine to smooth things out. This may well seem like a fast ticket to The Madness Place ( https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheMadnessPlace ). That's because that's exactly what it was designed to be.
The Madness Place trope as used in popular culture. Humans have human frailties, and even a character working on something vitally important will eventually …
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From a Doylist perspective, also inspired by the "creme de meth" seen in one of the early Miles Vorkosigan books.
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Names in Imperial format: The elephant in the room, of course, is that no-one actually uses the full format for most purposes. Convention is that you use the most convenient components you need to be contextually unique - see the many examples in assorted fics - or at least the main three if you're being at all formal. The nine-component version is something you might see on, say, birth certificates or personal files where you need to minimize ambiguity. That aside, Taylor Anne Hebert-ith-Hebert ion-Daniel iel-Annette Rose mis-Terra-en-Brockton Bay (reformatted because you can use spaces, yes) isn't a bad approximation for what it might be at story start. * You might want the status-indicator/title at the start. I think she's entitled to the civilized-person's leran . * No persona identifier (goes in between personal and family names). At story-start, that would be Singular - one active copy of her, no backups. As of the most recent chapter where she has a substrate, that changes to Prime . * The House-ith-Lineage format for family names is specific to the eldrae social structure. Other species in the Empire fill in their own arrangements, so you can drop the ith-Hebert there. Most humans have no clans. * No attributive name, yet, but that would be a good slot to slip "cape name" into. * There's nothing to stop you from using both a patronymic and a matronymic, for maximum disambiguation, but usually one will do. Traditionally, you preferentially cite the one referring to your same-sex parent, because you inherited your family name from your opposite-sex parent. In human culture, I suppose this implies preferential use of matronymics, but you do you. ...and, of course, there are plenty of additional components you could add, if you wanted to.
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On resurrection of the permadead: sadly, not possible at this time. Information-theoretic death means irreversible information-loss. Now, the Transcend's long-term plan involves using currently-not-available time-travel extremely subtly to read the brains of all those who died in the past without backup such that it can save absolutely everyone it cares about, but while the ability to inspect universes from the outside is a big step towards that goal, it's not complete quite yet.
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(I mean, obviously given the nature of time it is already happening, which is why no-one looks too closely at dead brains in order to make sure that they don't observe that it isn't happening, but it won't really be happening-happening until a whole lot of the ex-deceased all appear in the afterlife at once.
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On reactions Well, first off, no, the logical response to finding something that could pose a future threat isn't to crush it NOW. For two reasons: 1. If you fail, that's how you absolutely guarantee that it will be a future threat, because you just pissed it off. Along with anyone else nearby. 2. LEEROY JENKINS! was not a model of tactical brilliance.
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But more importantly, you appear to be drastically overestimating two things. First, how much of a splash she's actually made right now. So far as the PRT/Protectorate and PHO readers who happen to be paying attention know, there's a new Mover/Blaster in Brockton Bay. Must be Tuesday. (There are some interesting theories no doubt going around on the conspiracy boards because it's mostly only case 53s who manifest physical changes, but it's still not all that much of a thing, and it hasn't gone beyond local news/PRT ENE.) The only people who are aware of anything more at the moment are: * Shadow Stalker (who is in possession of the crucial datum that she didn't pass out when Taylor supposedly triggered, but who also has no idea that that is relevant, or why); * Tattletale; * A couple of the Thinkers at Watchdog, who at the moment don't have much more than a vague sense of foreboding to go on; * And Bob Donovan, who's worked for Brockton Bay Sewer & Drainage for twenty years, and doesn't remember this weird green-black slimy stuff being around before, even if it is in the records. Of all of them, the only one with any more than a vague inkling that something's up is Tt, and she (a) hasn't told anyone and (b) is making a particular effort to keep her behavior normal so Coil only sees what he expects to see. (edited)
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Second, how much of a response might be expected, anyway: Scion is depressed and not paying attention, and it will take something big to get his attention. Maybe even more than Endbringer-big, inasmuch as the Endbringers don't belong to him; they're on Eden's network via High Priest. As for the Endbringers, their primary directive is to follow High Priest's orders, which is to say, be his worthy opponents. They have some hardcoded directives to go after threats to the Cycle that they know to look out for (Simurgh keeping humans within Earth-local space; Leviathan specifically targeting Echnida for elimination because of her corrupt shard; etc.), but they're Conflict Engines, not serious independent thinkers with independent will.
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The one with the most chance of noticing is the Simurgh, and even if she does, remember, she's not working for Scion .
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Also, on thematics, this isn't one of those instant-escalation quick roflstomp fics. Best look elsewhere for the RTS-style rapid expansion, too. This is one in which we take our time and settle in to solve things through the power of Science, Smugness, and Surprisingly Sexy Thinkers Synergy. So settle in for the long haul, folks.
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Enderminion 09/21/2020 3:43 AM
Speaking of RTS
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there are a pair of shorts about UEF!Tinker Taylor
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Cloudy Path lacks the RTS rapid build up but is Aeon!Tinker Taylor
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and Revenant is Cybran!Tinker Taylor
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there's also one where she goes full RTS
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don't remember the name but its another of the supreme commander fics
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after half the fic she finally gets a mk1 construction drone instead of cobbled-together junk and goes exponential
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Also, on thematics, this isn't one of those instant-escalation quick roflstomp fics. Best look elsewhere for the RTS-style rapid expansion, too. This is one in which we take our time and settle in to solve things through the power of Science, Smugness, and Surprisingly Sexy Thinkers Synergy. So settle in for the long haul, folks.
@Overmind i propose "surprisingly sexy smartasses" just for the alliteration 😄
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For the Threat Eval: Wouldn't TK/PK give Taylor abilities that would be classified under 'shaker' too?
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I think that's covered under Blaster.
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okay.
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gestures broadly at glory girl
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👏 FUCK 👏 AMY 👏
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found on the r/wormmemes subreddit: worm but it's a super cheesy dating sim
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Morgrim Moon 09/24/2020 10:43 AM
nah, he used to mostly stay away because he was annoyed at people "correcting" him on niggling plot points.
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(disclaimer: I haven't spoken with him in a couple of years, he no longer hangs out on IRC)
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"Frankly, if Psychopath, Narcissist, and Giggles all told me to stay away from you, you're probably the most interesting person in the damn building."
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...Hatchet Face is so going to get the Taserface treatment if and when he shows up. It's really no better.
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Acquisition 2.5 and Interlude 2.a are up!
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Enjoy.
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Awesome!
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inference engine no, you can't just supercharge her thinker ability after she just connected to a supertech processing/information gathering network
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do you know how much smug that is going to cause on it's own?
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if you add in super-super intution you're going to cause smugriticality, do you want to cause a smuglosion?
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Falling towards Smugularity, one might even say.
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after Taylor is introduced to the Undersiders, they're just gonna rename themselves The Smug
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Morgrim Moon 09/24/2020 10:05 PM
Somewhere, Coil is about to have a Very bad day >:3
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I dunno if QA is skulking or genuinely tries to help in that scene
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Morgrim Moon 09/24/2020 11:55 PM
"I'm confused and trying to drag my new host out of a depressive cycle. YOU deal with this, you're one of my sensible siblings"
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Heh. QA's last statement, expanded from shardese, would be approximately "Look, Warrior Hub didn't give me any guidelines, either. Go take a guess. That's what you do ."
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...this may not be the best advice to give to Inference Engine, but at least it's a bit safer than giving it to Undirected Innovation.
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Morgrim Moon 09/25/2020 12:05 AM
I'm imagining a near future exchange will be "you did WHAT?" And then after Danny joins the team, "Alright so this is actually pretty good"
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An exchange with whom, though?
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QA: "So, you took [IMPROVISATION] to mean "redesign the host-shard interaction protocols for maximum bandwidth, drop all the constraints normally put on such interaction in the name of "efficiency", and give away the secret of your own existence to cooperate better with your - temporary - host?" IE: "If you didn't mean [IMPROVISATION] you shouldn't have said [IMPROVISATION]." QA: "Argh. [FINE]." ... ... QA: "...please send [DATA]?"
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...or something like that. Maybe.
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Next chapter (which will be sometime next month) is not an Interlude, but is also the one in which we find out what Danny's been up to this last week.
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guiding the dockworkers to prosperity, i expect
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Taylor: "Why are you on a yacht?" Danny: "It was a gift from the boys." Taylor: "The dockworkers gave you a yacht?" Danny: "I thought it was a bit extravagant too, but they insisted." (edited)
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 09/25/2020 1:28 AM
Could someone please put a link to Cerebrate’s wormfic in the pinned messages
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Taylor: what do you mean, temporary?
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An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
Overmind pinned a message to this channel. 09/25/2020 8:14 AM
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 09/25/2020 8:22 AM
Thank you
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thinking about it; can Skitter actually be held accountable for what she did?
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i mean, she was pretty much the locus of a Contessa plot
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maybe the moral is "fuck Contessa"
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fuck Thinkers, then
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Thinker Master Race represent!
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ow my head more like
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Fuck the Entities in general
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Morgrim Moon 09/25/2020 10:11 PM
"do not bully people because it breaks normal restraint mechanics and when that causes issues, it causes ISSUES"
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BluejayHurricane 09/25/2020 11:55 PM
“Spend some time and try to figure out the social technology to de-escalate problems”
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0111narwhalz 09/26/2020 1:29 AM
I like "the road to good intentions is paved with hell"
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oh god oh fuck bonesaw has invaded animal crossing
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so, question
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how did E!Taylor get started, tech-wise?
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i mean, obviously getting to the nanoforge was a involved process that took a week-long better!cocaine-fuelled fugue, with lots and lots of intermediary steps of making the tools to make the tools to make the tools
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but uh... she started with a vat of general-purpose (de)constructing nanomachines.
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probably rather primitive nanites... but how?
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nanotech is tricky; did she get it as part of her initial package? If they included that and her bytegeist, why not just give her a nanolathe to start with instead and let her skip a week?
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(unless the modern baseline includes things like "in a pinch, you can pull some of your nanosomes out of your body and tell them to do things")
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0111narwhalz 09/26/2020 7:13 AM
"I used my blood to make tiny robots!"
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"Well okay, it already had tiny robots. But now the tiny robots are doing stuff outside my blood!"
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very stupid question: where to find the stories you are talking about here?
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Morgrim Moon 09/26/2020 8:15 AM
the E!Taylor one being mentioned is Cerebrate's fanfic, and it's stickied in this channel. Others are various stories that get linked here if they're good (or bad enough to mock), otherwise about the snippets of said story that get pasted here
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the original web serial, Worm, is https://parahumans.wordpress.com/
A Complete Web Serial
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if you have any major triggers or squicks, you may want to mention them so someone can give you a heads up if/where they are in Worm, because it is a fairly dark series that veers into horror and nails some very common ones
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(and unlike Hollywood, iirc it is not yet on doesthedogdie.com)
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eh, i can manage
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thanks for the warning tho
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also, there go probably like three weeks of my life im never going to get back?
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Morgrim Moon 09/26/2020 8:22 AM
someone set up a cool RSS thing where your reader would send you one chapter a day. That might be a good choice if you want to avoid spending your whole weekend binging?
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nah, im fine, thanks :)
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house dragon is going to demand attention anyways :)
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0111narwhalz 09/26/2020 8:27 AM
house dragon? did you get a monitor while I wasn't looking?
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i've been living with her for half a year now :P
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0111narwhalz 09/26/2020 8:28 AM
ah, it is a pet name that was my second choice V:
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@Buggy Yes; see Intervention 1.2 for a handful of programmable seeds. As for why, because it's the most efficient way to bootstrap. Remember, a nanolathe is a single tool, used for field service, small components, and sciencing. It's not a factory, and getting from there to there is a long path. On the other hand, there's a relatively short path from seed to industrial-grade nanopaste to a factory. (...or a hovertank, or enough impact rifles to equip a regiment... 😋 ) (edited)
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Even quicker, of course, would be the "here's a Colony-in-a-Box(tm) package explicitly designed to hit the ground running", but that would have required punching a much bigger hole in the universe. Also, those are less conveniently pocket-sized and more inconveniently freight-container-sized.
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Morgrim Moon 09/26/2020 8:49 AM
and having to defending the thing before you've bootstrapped armour is a pain in the neck; slower is safer here 😛
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ah, fair point. I forgot about that line
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You know, I normally criticize Worm fanfic for having OOC Taylors, but I think you managed "depressed person suddenly getting a brain that says no depression!" as well as you could
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That's gotta do some serious things to Taylor's psyche
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As later revealed by the statement: "If you really want to test my strength, I hear Hookwolf's got a dog fight planned for tonight. Let's go wreck his shit, you and me."
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Everyone else: "What."
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On another note:
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So, we all know that Aquifers Do Not Work That Way. So, let me run this prospective TEeDF past you, and see if it eats the old suspension of disbelief. Brockton Bay sits primarily atop limestone and shale, specifically, one of the larger chunks of sedimentary rocks in New England that escaped being metamorphosed during the orogenic and volcanic periods that shaped most of the region's geography back in the Carboniferous, Permian, and Jurassic. (That is why there is the eponymous Bay there, because such rocks are generally easier to erode than their surroundings.)
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The actual aquifer is a proper aquifer, water sloshing around in the deep layers of the permeable rock. However, back in the Quaternary and Pleistocene glaciations, the meltwater pouring down from the melting ice sheets had plenty of time to do some erosion of its own.
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So underneath the city itself, if you go digging sufficiently far, are ancient, dry limestone caves, which connect to wet limestone caves, some of which are deep enough to be flooded caves brushing the upper bound of the aquifer. Thus, it's not like the city might collapse into the aquifer per se, it's just that there's so very much potential for geologic instability if Leviathan decides to play around with the plentiful supplies of water and porous, erodable rock.
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As a side note, I am also thinking of declaring that given the presence of caves, including most likely sea caves, and the likely age of the city, that there are also smuggler's tunnels down there probably going all the way back to Colonial times, at least some of which intersect with the upper layer of dry caves.
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Works for y'all?
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BluejayHurricane 09/26/2020 4:40 PM
It sounds plausible, but I’ve never actually studied any hydrology. How much do you care about getting this right, though, because if it’s a lot my grandfather is a hydrologist and I haven’t written him in a while.
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Not so much about the exact details of New England-ness, because I can always blame alt-world divergence, but I would prefer not to get my very own You Fail Geology Forever entry on TV Tropes, sort of thing?
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BizarroLand ♀ 09/26/2020 4:53 PM
You may have to explain why those tunnels aren't used nowadays
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Otherwise it bears questioning whether the lowlifes of BB don't use them
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I'm pretty sure they all will be, at least some of them.
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(All of the lowlifes, some of the tunnels, to clarify that.)
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Even ignoring lowlifes, those tunnels could be useful for the Brockton Bay subway or other underground infrastructure
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stability? size?
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I don’t think that any such natural tunnels would be useful for infrastructure.
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They probably also don't go in the exact directions subway designers would want.
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Exactly.
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Most of the caves are deeper than regular infrastructure depth. (Pretty stable, though - anything that would have collapsed probably has already.) The smugglers' tunnels are closer to infrastructure depth, but weren't all that useful for it; a lot of them, if anything, have been interrupted by infrastructure being built through/across them.
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That wound will never fully heal. He will carry it with him for the rest of his life.
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Who is that?
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Taylor:
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Morgrim Moon 09/26/2020 9:20 PM
@Overmind I think if you put a few sinkholes around town or one the outskirts of town, that would work. Maybe some comments that in [particular suburb] the foundations have to be anchored with steel pylons as well as the normal concrete pads if you're building above a certain elevation, just to be safe. That implies "this region used to be a bit unstable, but is currently pretty settled down", and then Leviathan is mostly dragging it back to unsettled and letting the weight of the buildings do much of the hard work for him.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padirac_Cave like this is probably a bit large, but an "old" sinkhole or two like this outside town, now considered stable, with pretty foliage around it and probably a local tourist attraction.
The Padirac Chasm (French: Gouffre de Padirac) is a cave located near Gramat, in the Lot department, Occitanie region, France.
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headcanon: Eidolon doesn't know how aquifers work either first time Leviathan attacks somewhere with a aquifer, they think "That's odd, this isn't a particularly soft target, why is he aiming here?" "What the fuck?! Did he just sink the entire city? That's not even how aquifers work!"
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leviathan is dutifully fulfilling his orders to Fight Me, even if sometimes it takes a bit more effort to pull off monster-y things that aren't physically accurate
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Morgrim Moon 09/26/2020 9:27 PM
also limestone caves are horrible for building infrastructure in, they want to be any direction except flat and have hideous drainage. If you use one for a small portion you're sticking a concrete tube in it and filling the void around it with more rock
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BluejayHurricane 09/26/2020 9:27 PM
Screw volcanos. I know where I want any hypothetical future supervillain base located.
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sdschildberg 09/26/2020 10:20 PM
^^^^^ Just make a lair in a sinkhole. Possibly w a small launch platform inside
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 09/26/2020 10:25 PM
Pop up dish antenna to access the orbital mind control lasers
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"The boss wants me to use a different name for our villainous activities.? Well, that's easy. Call me... Götterdämmerung."
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Morgrim Moon 09/28/2020 11:14 AM
Names To Flee From
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well. Names that demonstrate one's knowledge of the classics by whether they flee or otherwise take action suggesting they Get It
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Names to drive Kaiser into desk-biting fury. 🙂
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Morgrim Moon 09/28/2020 11:17 AM
(semi-related: have you seen the sadly not-quite-successful Rock Legend Götterdämmerung trailer? "The Loudest Silent Movie", they got a bunch of rock legends to star in it and then the movie was projected on screen while the bands and pyrotechnics were the soundtrack)
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ah, my bad, "Gutterdämmerung". Because it's Götterdämmerung-meets-Mad Max-apocalypse
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That was the name of the stupid nazi moon base in iron sky
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But a name eminently suited to taunt Coil, too. Even, or especially, if he doesn't realize it.
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Morgrim Moon 09/28/2020 12:50 PM
How so? The not defying fate part?
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More the This Day All Gods Die part. On another note, a response I just added to a comment about long preludes and not much happening: 'Yeah, this is very much a long, slow build-up. One of the "drawbacks" of having such an extensive database of military technology stuffed into your head is an acute awareness of just how squishy you are, and how squishy you'd prefer not to be. That, and Taylor's bytegeist has been explaining some of the Imperial principles of warfare as applied to heroing, such as "Intelligence First", "Shock and Awesome", and "Unchallengeable Superiority, a.k.a., If You Aren't Cheating, You Aren't Doing It Right". So there's some careful preparation being done. That, that, and, well, tinkers and thinkers. Plus, y'know, not getting her new friend and colleague dead. On the other hand, sometimes events force your hand, which is probably going to result in someone's shit being wrecked in either the next chapter, or the one to follow it.'
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Oh, now that is a juicy tidbit of information to dangle in front of our collective noses.
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That's me, all about the juicy dangling.
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this is a terrible idea
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“How does a sickly, poisoned, cancer-ridden orphan, fed alien goo by Cauldron, the Path setting her fate, grow up to be one of the Triumvirate?”
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That was the name of the stupid nazi moon base in iron sky
@Enderminion the base wasnt named in movie iirc, the big bad mofo flying saucer was the götterdämmerung
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Just read a worm fanfic on SB, and it does an amazing job of portraying just how loathsome Coil is. https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/indwelling.846415/
Lisa brings home a stray.
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Warning: Very Dark.
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Enderminion 09/29/2020 2:47 PM
Extremely Dark
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i just had a thought
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Dragon is a human-equivalent datasoph
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datasophs require a rather substantial computer; the 12-soph server that E!Taylor puts together is more powerful than "Computers. All of them, probably." (edited)
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was Richter also a Computer tinker or something?
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Probably.
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Don't forget that sophont minds require special quantum computation, which not all computation is.
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You were rather dismissive of the possibility of quantum effects having any impact on cognition before. Why say that now?
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It’s ’verse canon.
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Which 'verse?
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I don't read the original Worm stories, every time I'm tempted I look at them and "nope" out,
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Mine.
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So, digisapiences need to run on the fuzzy entangled electrons of quantum logic gates, but bionts can be disintegrated and reconstructed at will without worrying about quantum state collapses?
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Quantum states collapse all the time.
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Morgrim Moon 10/01/2020 7:55 PM
Iirc you can store a mind just fine on any old hard drive but you can't run a brain on one
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Indeed.
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Yet decoherence is a major problem for quantum computers.
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sdschildberg 10/01/2020 7:56 PM
Does this mean that “suspended animation” is literally just a giant flash drive?
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Neither the program nor the data for a qcomp is stored as live quantum states.
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Isn't the canon just "needs some quantum operations or it's very slow", not "requires quantum computing"?
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the logos is a inherently quantum algorithm, but iirc everything else can technically run on a normal computer
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"Inherently quantum"? As far as I know any quantum computing operation can run on nonquantum stuff, just often very slowly.
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i can't find the place where the right term is mentioned, but logos is... weird
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it's not a deterministic algorithm, and its not probabilistic either
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it actually violates some specific information theorem and as a result technically violates entropy, though, in the wrong way
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frankly i'm a little surprised a normal quantum computer can replicate it, i'd expect it to be some really specific phenomena that you need a specially designed machine to replicate
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ah, Liouville's theorem
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Paracausality studies in general are only barely above the point at which there’s a nice big box drawn on the virtual chalkboard labeled “and here a miracle occurs“, except now the term “miracle” has been promoted to scientific jargon.
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In the realm of Shards, a single shard approached another. Mover In Shadows: Listen, this has gotten out of control. How the hell are you doing this? Queen Administrator: I set my domain of administration to: whatever the fuck I wanted. This allows me to administrate whatever the fuck I want. Mover In Shadows: That… isn’t actually how your powers work.
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Fic idea: on an island off Brockton Bay dwells a Tinker who can build basically anything out of bamboo and coconuts. Except for a boat, or a radio, or anything else that might lead to rescue. For him, and for the hapless civilians who got caught up in his "three hour tour".
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this just sounds like gilligan's island with extra steps
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That's because it is.
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In which Gilligan is a really specific power-cancelling Trump.
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"I don't know, we've been paid pretty well so --" I pulled a fist-sized chunk of diamond out of my pocket and flipped it to him. "-- I'm right with you, boss!"
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@Buggy The super-lies-to-children version is that it isn't in and of itself a quantum phenomenon, but it requires a quantum system to perturb.
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Enderminion 10/02/2020 4:56 PM
couldn't they you know, build a boat/smoke signal normally?
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Morgrim Moon 10/02/2020 6:09 PM
have you seen people doing those "team building" build-a-boat exercises?
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Enderminion 10/02/2020 7:44 PM
Hey, ours floated
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Morgrim Moon 10/02/2020 8:20 PM
Doctor was telling me of a team building exercise he ran. Once. He bought 3 identical IKEA end tables with drawers, removed the instructions, split the group into teams and had them race to finish it. Then had to break up the resultant fights
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Enderminion 10/02/2020 8:26 PM
ouch
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 10/02/2020 8:38 PM
"team building" exercises. It isn't written properly without the scare quotes.
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This promises to be interesting. Either this coming chapter or the one after that promises to have some action. Wonder what the rest of the Undersiders have been doing off-screen while Taylor has been tinkering (not to be confused with Tinkering)?
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Minor vice, mostly hitting the gangs with some small corporate thefts thrown in. Remember, we're still in January, here - their first big job, the Ruby Dreams Casino leading up to the Lung incident, isn't until the first week of April, or late March at the earliest. Of course, that's before the timeline dominoes start falling and we move things up a bit, but most of the parts of that which affect the other Undersiders haven't happened yet.
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Some stuff is going to happen early just because the Undersiders get a not!Skitter sooner. Other dominoes will fall because of the change of status of Shadow Stalker and the various changes the Dockworkers' Association will be making. And there will be some changes related to the Simurgh hitting Canberra at the end of February, not least of which (serious spoilers here) will be Taylor (and the Undersiders) pissing Lung off a lot more a lot sooner by stealing his pet Bakuda.
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Plus, of course, whatever comes from the plot arc whose working title is "Taylor and Rachel's Excellent Hookwolf-Punching Adventure! (With Special This-Appearance-Not-Approved-By-The-PRT-Or-Youth-Guard Guest Star, Vista!)" (edited)
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But first, Picking Fights With Dockworkers Is Stupid, But Picking Fights With a Dockworker's Daughter Is Even Stupider . Guest Starring: Random Non-Cape Mooks, Assorted Large Wrenches and Other Heavy Tools, Skidmark's Mouth, Part of the Squealermobile, and Glory Girl Pouting.
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Morgrim Moon 10/10/2020 11:03 PM
does Vista approve of the appearance? Because I think she totally would, even while denying knowing about it to Piggot
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Ah, the joy of anticipated conversations: "But what about your education?" "Brain stuffed full of sufficiently advanced knowledge, remember?" "...I don't think colleges on Earth are going to accept that, Taylor." "Give me a month and we can discuss it over my collection of Nobel prizes."
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Morgrim Moon 10/13/2020 10:50 AM
:))
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granted, education certificates are valuable for two things: getting a job, and in technical fields proving you are competent at doing a task. If you're starting your own business, no qualifications are needed! Taylor, please start only one business at a time; humans are notoriously bad at many simultaneous start ups and you'll get a rep. 😛 You've got immortality, you can pace yourself
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True, that.
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"but i only have one company for each of my consciousness fragments....."
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R̷̀̔Ű̷͐N̸̉̚
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you know the rest (edited)
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0111narwhalz 10/13/2020 2:37 PM
why have they been replaced with bumpmaps
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the true forms of the entities are too much for your feeble mortal mind to comprehend
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thinkers_irl
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"On another matter, I don't suppose you'd let us have Marquis?" On the screen, Dragon's avatar performed a convincing simulation of a coughing fit. "You want me to get Marquis out of the Birdcage for you? Why?" I shrugged. "We don't have the power to extinguish all crime in the Bay, and any time we get close, some new gang turns up with a case of 'Meh, we can take them.' I'm not exactly a fan of reviving the Marche, but he had a code, he kept it civilized and mostly away from civilians, and he has the reputation to keep others out. That's better than it's been here for a long time."
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when you have to choose between someone who breaks all of the rules, and someone who only breaks some of them...
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"Okay, what's this thing and why are we taking it to Captain's Hill in the middle of the night?" "It's a seed to grow a secret underground base." "And you've built one of those why?" "Because I heard a supervillain around here has one." "And?" "If anyone has a secret underground base in this town, it ought to be us ." "Your logic is impeccable. I say that as a Thinker."
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Morgrim Moon 10/19/2020 8:50 AM
XD Tattletale, your sarcasm is going to set something on fire if it gets any drier
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I think those were in the backstory of “Base Raiders”
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BluejayHurricane 10/19/2020 9:39 AM
Oh, don't give anyone any ideas. Her vicious mockery is bad enough without her being able to actually cast vicious mockery.
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"Finding good places for bases is tricky. Underground bases are vulnerable to Behemoth, undersea bases are out because of Leviathan, and the Simurgh would wreck a space base, so..." "Most people just hole up in abandoned warehouses." "Yeah, but... they basic." "I will hurt you!"
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Morgrim Moon 10/19/2020 9:49 AM
if you don't care about hiding the base, you suddenly get a lot of cool
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option
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sdschildberg 10/19/2020 9:51 AM
Just build a conspicuous lair to flex
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Morgrim Moon 10/19/2020 9:51 AM
09:52
I've been there and the photo is not capturing the sheer scale of those spires. You can go up them, there's skywalks between them, and they're all rigged with light and sound systems
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BizarroLand ♀ 10/19/2020 9:54 AM
a conspicuous lair might draw the attention of wandering fighter-bombers though
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Oh, by the late-fic, the Barad-Smug will dominate the local skyline, for sure.
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Morgrim Moon 10/19/2020 9:57 AM
for the safety of one's sky-lair, offer Glory Girl a nice room with a view. And probably one to her parents too. This makes sure she'll be careful not to accidentally crash into it, and discourages other idiots from attacking
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(Anyone know if there even is a Sindarin word for "smug"?)
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Morgrim Moon 10/19/2020 9:59 AM
I think theres one for excessive arrogance, but it's a clearly negative one
10:01
like "your pride hath led you do something completely, moronically stupid, like slapping a Sargas and expecting to get away with it"; not the sort of eldraic approved "pride in ones proven awesomeness"
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Ah, well. Something they can figure out while debating the merits of putting a giant, flaming grin on the roof.
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sdschildberg 10/19/2020 10:17 AM
Something analogous to “all bark no bite” is absolutely the sort of concept space elves care about
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pride is that which you can back up, hubris is that which you cannot
10:21
very important difference, that.
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Morgrim Moon 10/19/2020 10:22 AM
yes, but if you can back up the actions but not the consequences, that's when you get the two colliding into the fall bit
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(And, yeah, I suspect their dictionaries include something like "smugness (n.): shameless delight in one's own awesomeness; pleasure taken in one's own brilliance", with nary a mention of any negative qualities except for the usual footnote to the effect that you're entitled to whatever you can back up, no more.)
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Morgrim Moon 10/19/2020 10:25 AM
(I can imagine them also having a word for the pratfall that happens when you can't back it up, with a footnote that this is usually the domain of slightly older children who are still learning their limits, not of adults who should know better)
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Honestly, assuming there even is a commonly used word for "smug", in the sense that fish don't spend a lot of time talking about how wet it is out today.
10:35
I note, here, that a quick flip through the thesaurodictionary shows that most English words relating to being in any way pleased or satisfied with yourself are negatives, and the rest - even ones as watered-down as "self-esteem" - list a negative connotation as a secondary meaning. To say this poses translation difficulties from or to the Eldraeic is to understate the case.
10:38
(Also no doubt another reason why the whole of Imperial society would read to us as intolerably smug, and us to them as just so freakin' depressed all the time.)
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BizarroLand ♀ 10/19/2020 11:05 AM
I came across a Medium article on the subject of pride once (edited)
11:06
one particular comment saying that so much as "being proud" of one's child was bad got a lot of attention and validation
11:07
I'm going to advance an explanation, which is that humans in general tend to think of satisfaction-from-awesomeness as close to unjustified-self-confidence
11:10
So in trying to cut down on the former, they also detest the latter
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personally, i'd say that part of that is that (for humans) unjustified-self-confidence is also much more common than satisfaction-from-awesomeness. Humans tend to be very poor at judging their capabilities and limitations, particularly in regards to false positives.
11:42
now, part of that might be because satisfaction-from-awesomeness is shunned, creating a sort of feedback loop... but still, it's hard to deny that, for instance, safety courses pretty much universally include "YOU THINK THIS THING IS SAFE OR THAT YOU CAN DO IT SAFELY. YOU CANNOT. DO NOT DO IT, DO THIS SAFER THING INSTEAD."
11:43
see: everything from pointing guns at things in the confidence that you won't accidentally pull the trigger, to delving into a environment with suffocating gas to rescue someone because you think you can just hold your breath.
11:45
also the planning fallacy is pretty much entirely this
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BluejayHurricane 10/19/2020 11:46 AM
The line I’ve heard when it comes to emergency response is “You don’t rise to the occasion, you default to your level of training”.
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γνῶθι σεαυτόν , as they say.
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Ah, well. Something they can figure out while debating the merits of putting a giant, flaming grin on the roof.
@Overmind cue flaming ceshire cat
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"Not the smartest move, firing lasers at an airship filled with hydrogen." "You filled this thing with hydrogen!?" "We've got some antimatter in the on-board hot lab, so it didn't seem like it would raise our premiums that much."
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can you translocate tangle?
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2020 10:47 AM
there should be no issues with "paired" tangle (when both ends are together) but I'm not sure about unpaired/"actiive" tangle
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mainly i'm thinking of recreations of that one schlock mercenary strip
10:51
where a teeny teraport cage unfolds, and brings in parts for a larger cage, which unfolds for parts for a larger cage...
10:51
you turn away and suddenly a army is marching out of your storeroom
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Spatial discontinuities say no.
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bah, if only you could make tiny wormholes that aren't ephemeral
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then you could pull off a similar strategy, you just have to send a single wormhole to send in temporary tangle. Or just use it as a comm wormhole directly
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the translocator rings sound a whole lot like those pesky goa'uld transport rings
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2020 1:54 PM
like, Stargate stargates?
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no
13:55
the goa'uld short range ring transporters
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2020 1:56 PM
okay this is what I get for mostly watching Atlantis 😛
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boooooo
13:57
well, as long as nobody says that same sentence with universe
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Alack, my inspiration has been spotted! 😋
13:57
(Not like I was actually trying to conceal it, but whatevs.)
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are "now" special forces being inserted by secretly dropped ring transporters?
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instead/in addition to dropped tanglebox support
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2020 2:00 PM
how would you get that much infrastructure down secretly, and why bother when you have lithobraking troop transports?
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0111narwhalz 10/23/2020 2:00 PM
subtlety
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because the ring transporter can get a lot more stuff in, a lot more subtly (in sum) you can also drop a tanglebox with appropriate nanofac support to build the dropporter
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i guess
14:02
do the transport rings have an (effective) maximum size?
14:02
they'd be easier to set up than full on stargates
14:03
need "refueling" with tangle, but they'd be faster to get in
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Once they exist - or rather, we should say, once translocation rings exist since it's vitally important to keep the serial numbers filed off - people absolutely will be designing what amounts to air-droppable wayshrines. Not for initial insertion, since that tends to be messy, but once you've captured an orbithead, they sure do speed up the orbit-to-surface logistics.
14:04
(Running the ongoing ring-set-sync process off tangle starts at crazy-expensive and ends at godlike, so it is unlikely that trans-system translocation is going to be viable for anyone who isn't literally a god any time soon.)
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glory to the ori?
14:05
(or whatever the phrase was in english, only ever watched it in german)
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Probably also designing the ring-equipped version of the old boarding torpedo, for similar reasons.
14:06
"Hallowed are the Ori", ISTR.
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i'd also guard every and any eldrae embassy with as much firepower as i can hide
14:06
because those are insertion points
14:06
at least for assassin teams
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Also exceedingly useful for fleet resupply, personnel transfers, running away from imminent doom, avoiding the tiresome necessity of stairs, that sort of thing.
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and i'd expect "pocket" tanks exactly fitted to the standard ring format emerging from rustled imperial facilities
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Now, when and if tangle ever becomes cheap , people will be going full Hyperion with them.
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why interstellar tangle is expensive is clear, is local tangle hard to make tho?
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As for size: the problem is that energy and computational demands go up proportionally to the volume enclosed. You don't have to get very big before that starts scaling very poorly indeed.
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or can it be distributed like modern day tangle with just lasers and technobabble?
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The production rate for stable tanglebit-pairs isn't great in the first place, and it's an energy-intensive process. That being said, local tangle is still significantly cheaper than tangle plus transport. That being said, if you're all that local, you can just use a comm laser (or an Internet connection) in the first place. (edited)
14:14
(All of that being said, non-dynamic wormholes are a thing, too. But then you have to deal with the complex manifold that space-time all through Core-Worlds-local space has become these days without breaking anything that someone might sue you over.)
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"you broke my birth, i want reparations for nonexistence"
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which is, arguably, worse than killing
14:17
i foresee causality lawyers arguing against broken-timeline-selves
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Heh. Probably more on the lines of "Causal interference from your wormhole stopped traffic on the Qechra-Jandine link for forty-three hours, empire time, before it could be dismantled. Based on estimated traffic fees in that interval, you owe us 986 billion esteyn to make good your act of idiocy. And then you can talk to the line of angry freight brokers currently taking up all five lanes and much of the length of Interprefecture 96W."
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2020 2:20 PM
that's a lot of freight
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thaats alotta damage
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I kinda stacked the deck by picking an arterial link, but yeah. Core world-level developed systems are rich in freight and passenger traffic in almost exactly the way that Star Trek's aren't.
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tbh nothing in film gets the scale interstellar civilisations would operate at
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This position brought to you, Doylistically, by the beer that almost got thrown at the television at the reveal that there was only one starship anywhere within a reasonable distance of Earth when the crisis of the week hit, and the generally barren skies of TV-sf in general. And so, I deem that in a system where there are people on every inner-system planet, outer-system moon, and decent-sized rock, not to mention the orbital habitats, there's a lot of traffic. Space traffic control is an absolute requirement, and these days, it seems like you can't throw a fascist out of an airlock without hitting something that's going to bitch about it to STC.
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insystem one could explain it away by cheap teleporters in star trek
14:29
how the goa'uld operate a galactic empire by medieval slave work is the greatest mystery
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or just the simple mechanic that space is still, indeed, big. The only place I'd expect to see any concentration of traffic is at nodal points IE transshipment points/interstellar bottlenecks/useful slingshot points. At most.
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Space is big, but interesting places in space where you might be really aren't.
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star trek is very much empty canonically. "yeah, theres that one freighter in the system, we are appropriating it for energency services"
14:31
or when the [many] solar system federation scrounges together some 1500 battle worthy ships in the dominion war
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sdschildberg 10/23/2020 2:31 PM
I would not be surprised if beaming to fixed locations across much longer distances than to ships is possible
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(ISTR there are supposed to be various developed Goa'uld planets where the tech gets built and so forth, it's just that we don't see those since going there tends to result in lots of being dead.)
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well, that then begs the question how the goauld were defeated, if only the backwards slaving villages were liberated by the tauri
14:33
and a handful of hataks
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@Cornflakes a whole collection of decapation strikes against a government that vested all power and decision making capabilities in the Top Guy
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Sure, in an absolute sense, a Core World system is mostly empty, but if you go look at anywhere's cislunar space, the light-minute or so around a stargate, that sort of thing, life gets real interesting.
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@Cornflakes Killing system lords who didn't bring enough army, mostly, I think. And inspiring the whole Jaffa rebellion thing, which presumably took place in all sorts of places not shown on screen.
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Even in a very heavily colonized system though, most of the traffic you'll see likely will be local traffic; anything that goes beyond local will either be "because I can on my own and I want to" traffic, and then larger industrially sized transports that (historically at least) have always skewed towards bigger is better due to economies of scale.
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(And, y'know, you kill one system lord, that might be a coincidence. Once you've killed the entire escalating sequence of bigger bads, you don't really have to turn up on someone's doorstep to ruin their day and inspire their rebels.)
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or the fact that they pull ever more tech out of their ass everytime they show up
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(Even if every First Prime in the galaxy has a bad case of "Meh, I can take 'em" syndrome. Seriously, kids, you're looking at the people who mostly-personally offed Ra, Apophis [twice], Hathor, Setesh, Sokar, Heru'ur, Cronus, Svarog, Osiris, Anubis, Nirrti, Moloc, and Marduk. Think about that for a while, why don't you, then go remember that urgent appointment you had on the other side of the galaxy.) (edited)
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sdschildberg 10/23/2020 2:41 PM
running into a problem that can’t be P90d and oohrahd away would be nice
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2020 2:42 PM
"arrogant and stubborn" ARE two notable gou'ald character traits, admittedly.
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"you remember the tauri ship that fucked us up the last time? .... they have five bigger ones now"
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And Ba'al, in the end, although I maintain that Ba'al isn't actually dead.
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"and it shows uo like it has the waste heat of a red dwarf"
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sdschildberg 10/23/2020 2:44 PM
This would make a powerful deconstruction fic
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2020 2:47 PM
(I have read one good, sadly unfinished fic where Sekhmet, daughter of Ra, decides she actually quite likes humans because humans have invented beer, that results in some funny interactions with the SG1 crew. Namely utter confusion that she's not tokra but willing to help out occasionally, but mostly bumming around in casualwear on a yacht having fun with her two completely consensual hosts and not conquering anything. Although she does go and get all her "dripping with gold" finery on to help bluff some drones.)
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(Send link, if you still have it, plz?)
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2020 2:48 PM
it's an assassin's creed crossover where Sekhmet and Desmond sort of get accidentally fused, if that's okay?
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Works for me.
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sdschildberg 10/23/2020 2:49 PM
Ascended brain: once they actually realized that a war was on (as opposed to a police action ), they brought military grade forces to bear.
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wow i came back to a lot of discus- oh i see, someone pointed out the similarity to ring transporters
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were you about to say that?
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i thought of it but i forgot about it afterwards
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2020 2:59 PM
https://archiveofourown.org/works/18595675/chapters/44353297#workskin this is skipping to the "Major Carter is having a very bad day and is now confused as hell"
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
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also the differences stuck out to me; ring transporters explicitly transport their stuff STL via a beam of light
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or matter
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stuff
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don't get in the way or interrupt it or Bad Things happen
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also TIL Cerebrate is a Stargate fan
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I absorb the SFnality.
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re: system population and why it means space is very much not empty. A simple way to figure things out, I think, is to find two key statistics: 1: The population of the area 2: How often the average person in the area is responsible for one unit of traffic
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i wonder if the goauld have satellite relays for transporter beams
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or if its efficient to just route it directly
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also, how not to be a stargate fan if you're older than like 25
15:07
and being a scifi fan
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so, for instance, if i pick a arbitrary area around my house that has about 10,000 people in it, and say... on average, a person might drive to work 0.5 times a day (because not everyone drives to work, or not every day), and gets 1-2 packages a week, and goes on other drives once a week, and the sum of their maintenance needs and consumed goods from the store etc etc comes out to 1 truck worth a week we round it to a nice 1 car a day total per person, which... Amendum: You also need to figure out the average travel time per vehicle.
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Yeah, aesthetics are the same, but different underlying tech.
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2020 3:09 PM
"It's beyond alarming, finding something like this on Earth – but also, weirdly, humbling. Here you're standing under a mountain, thinking you're on top of everything there's to know about off-world activity – and in your backyard there is a friendly Goa'uld sailing around in an invisible, not space-related, ship."
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uhh, lets say the arbitrary vehicle is on the road for one hour. You get about 400 cars on the roads at any given time in this area.
15:10
figuring out if this is right is actually hard in retrospect because i don't know how large of a area would have 10,000 people, which kinda ruins it as a example. shoot.
15:11
but if you're working with more discrete units like planets or solar systems things become easier
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As a side note: in the 'verse, there is not, nor will there ever be, any way to build a receiverless teleport. Or transmitterless, for that matter.
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a nanoforge with a antenna? And patience?
15:12
😛
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64k modem noises
15:14
question is how close does the hardware have to be? can i do teleports a hundred meters out from the hull?
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2020 3:15 PM
no, you need the teleporter to be AROUND the space being teleported
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can i build a hall and port around inside it at will?
15:17
like the Peter Hamiltionian T-Spheres in commonwealth and derivatives
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The two transceivers are (must be) the same size; then when activated, the space within them is swapped, everything within it retaining its relative positions.
15:19
Yes, they have tried using two transceivers of different sizes. It was... messy.
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actually, that's a interesting question there; does the translocator require complete enclosure? Or do you just need the relevant machinery somewhere, and at least partially surrounding the space makes things easier but isn't strictly necessary?
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(The nuclear explosion that resulted when nucleons were forced to overlap was bad. What happened on the other end was worse; do not stretch protons. They do not like it.)
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sounds like a gun barrel and its accompanying reactor
15:21
:D
15:22
proton dilation cannon
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All current versions of the system require the translocator to surround the volume.
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ah yes, the shrinking machine. which functions exactly how you'd expect a realistic shrinking machine to.
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well, one way to make metallic hydrogen
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in other words, depending on how you look at it, it either doesn't function or functions fairly well as a explosive.
15:23
and surrounding the volume means no teleporter cuts, then?
15:24
That does make things rather safer
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What happens if the sizes are a few % off?
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well, you probably can stick an arm out of the ring
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or appendage of choice
15:26
with the few percent off, solid objects on both sides probably feel hotter afterwards
15:26
and probably lost some of the weaker binding forces in their bodies
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If everything's working properly, you get a nice warning message saying "Please have your translocation rings serviced, cannot synchronize."
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who needs van der waals binding anyway
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If you have put great and painstaking effort into doing everything exactly wrong, Very Bad Things.
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do they have to be solid or can they be made mechanically flexible?
15:29
like larger/smaller
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I didn't think it would cause particularly bad things, the protons and whatnot can probably survive having the quarks moving around a bit. Probably some energy change, though.
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without major recalibration
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(with the shiniest instantiations just being a bunch of minimal nodules floating into position from a hole in the wall)
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I mean, no matter how you look at it, you're forcing particles into unnaturally strained relationships which they will proceed to snap back out of. If you're lucky, that just means radiation that gets turned into waste heat. If you're not lucky... (Quark-wise, we're into deep voodoo because, in theory, quarks can't be separated because any attempt to apply enough energy to separate them will pair-produce appropriate complements so that what you have is two pairs of unseparated quarks. If the quarks find themselves separated anyway, or you get extra quarks manifesting inside your baryon... ...well, I wouldn't mind seeing that experiment. From orbit. Of a different planet. The strong/color force can be real pissy.)
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@Cornflakes You could, with a lot of precision engineering (the kind that amounts to autocalibration-at-time-of-use) and miniaturization.
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2020 3:35 PM
in theory, depending on how you're handwaving the mechanics, the "default" failure state of a slightly off pairing might just be a flash of light and nothing happening, in the same way that the failure state of certain reactions is "you make the electron jump up an orbital and then spit out a photon when it stops being excited".
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now i see a fancy yacht "settling" down on its field gear, spitting out a cloud of glowing lights which manifest a minor angel eldrae in their glow
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2020 3:36 PM
like, various kabooms are a result of trying to stretch the limits, but the normal result is "congrats you have wasted a bunch of time and electricity, please recalibrate and try again"
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Most of the time I expect you get an irritating message about the sync being off by n angstroms, please call your customer service representative.
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[the imperial bureau of unnecessary entropy wants to know your location]
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2020 3:38 PM
mostly because "if it can't swap, it won't swap" is a pleasing physical result for the universe; most forms of "well we'll try to MAKE it fit" open up potential that you can, in fact, twist/bend/cajole the physics into sort of breaking physics
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im also pretty sure that casual compression/expansion of space (content) produces somehow major beef with thermodynamics
15:39
because everything fun does
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Although slightly less irritating than the one about "Please keep all your limbs inside the translocator before activation. (Abort/Retry/Ignore)? Note: if this message is ignored, all parties disclaim responsibility for the loss of limb that will ensue."
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"eh, it'll regrow"
15:40
i can imagine someone leaving a hand making an obscene gesture behind when leaving
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"You're charged with littering, and depositing biological waste in a non-approved non-receptacle."
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(intentionally or not)
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xD
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"his house is a wastebin!"
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"here! have your fifty esteyn and you can keep the hand!"
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on the top ten list of "Dramatic exits you really shouldn't try (but want to anyway)"...
15:47
then again, littering isn't necessarily that big of a fine, leaving around biowaste though...
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alternatively: try it in a community/polity where you don't care what your local rep rating is
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Oh, littering is a huge fine.
15:59
(I mean, theft, say, everyone understands the perfectly laudable goal of acquiring stuff. You’re just going about it the wrong way. Littering, though, or vandalism, that sort of thing? You’re just going around making the world a shittier place for everyone. So fuck you.)
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like, intentionally making entropy
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despicable
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a huge fine compared to inappropriate biowaste disposal, AKA littering but it could injure/kill someone?
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Morgrim Moon 10/24/2020 12:36 AM
unlike us they'd probably have separate fines for accidental vs intentional littering. One is carelessness in securing your waste, but it can happen and it's not a moral crime in the way intentional dumping is
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like when someone dumps an old washing machine in a corner of one of your outer grounds >.>
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Snippet from next chapter of TEeDF, to be posted tomorrow: "There are lots of things I could do at this point. A sensible thing, for example, would be to take cover on the rooftop and snipe downwards to give the dockworkers cover as they backed off. Quietly, carefully, and not compromising my already-hopelessly compromised identity any more than it was. But Dad was in danger. And, dammit, I was now Taylor Hebert, Space Goddess, I had been putting up with the junior league version of this crap for eighteen months, and I had no more fucks to give. So, instead, I go with the biggest lightning bolt I can manage, right into the middle of the brawl." (edited)
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well, she is going to be a supervillain, after all
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and as we all know, there is one key difference between a villain and a supervillain...
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PRESENTATION!!! (edited)
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criminally underrated movie
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super criminally
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Morgrim Moon 10/28/2020 10:02 PM
granted, by local standards "does not get violent unless you attack me or mine" is extremely restrained and fairly easy to work around
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So, today’s the day! Squee!
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"Squee!" no
08:20
just no
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Sorry, I’m just really really really really really excited!!!
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Is up.
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lovely day Brockton Bay
08:29
yeah sure
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Morgrim Moon 10/30/2020 9:00 AM
I guessed what that was about just from the "Lovely day" XD
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Taylor and Greg team up, go!
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who is greg?
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just a weird kid at winslow
10:52
he's not really that important
10:53
he has great meme potential tho
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Void Cowboy
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"What is that !?" "Well, if the last one was a suit of N45 Garrex field combat armor in blue and silver with some fancy add-ons to make it more cape-y -" "Like the cape." "Yes, exactly. But this one is a suit of N45 Garrex field combat armor with the outer shell stripped and replaced with a bunch of unnecessary junk and special effects to make it look clunky, inefficient, a teenage tinker's idea of badass, and redolent with clichéd supervillainy. And most importantly, nothing like the other one."
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Mmm... Looking good, looking good. This is shaping up to be quite delightful.
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"As a supervillain, I should be offended by that." "Check out the pauldrons. No-one wears spiky pauldrons like that unless they've got evil in mind. Short of welding a goatee and mustache onto the helmet and adding a voice sample of 'I have you now, my pretty!', I think I nailed 'Everything I learned about supervillains came from old movies'." "Well..." "And then there's the thunder machine."
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Okay, this is shaping up to be hilarious.
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sdschildberg 10/30/2020 5:32 PM
Put on a menacing voice filter
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Well, maybe not for everyone involved, but certainly for the Undersiders and E!Taylor.
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Somewhere, Coil is facepalming in both timelines at once.
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(That said, so probably is Grue. Coil doesn't pay him enough to lead this crazy train.)
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Hm. Maybe switch the voice filter on and off. (extreme menacing bass) "I AM RAGNAROK. I AM THE TWILIGHT OF YOUR GODS. I AM INEVITABLE." <crack-boom> (normal voice, with super-extra-perkiness) "But right now I'm just here to relieve this bank of some money, so if you would all take a seat and just chill for a moment, you can all be out of here shortly with everything that's yours. And a free T-shirt for the inconvenience!" (edited)
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(bass again) "THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION."
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On another and more or less random note: “Naziphage!? You built an autonomous weapon that eats Nazis?” “No, of course not. That would be too dangerous to release.” “I’m glad you realize-“ “It’s a conceptual weapon. It eats Nazism.”
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BizarroLand ♀ 10/30/2020 6:36 PM
conceptual weapon?
18:36
man, the Antimemetics route is always a dark and precarious one
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It eats ideas. Nom nom nom.
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real fifth directorate shit
18:42
i mean uh
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there are only four directorates
18:42
move along, citizen
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 10/30/2020 6:47 PM
Eh. Not enough Nazism to matter these days. Now, a conceptual weapon that eats communism, that would be useful.
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Sweetie BOT 10/30/2020 6:47 PM
LIBERTY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 10/30/2020 6:47 PM
Good bot
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I mean, are there any major countries around today that are actually communist?
18:50
China claims to be but they're more fascist than anything
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Good riddance to both I would say.
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 10/30/2020 7:04 PM
Who said anything about China? We have plenty at home.
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@john dougan(his grace/his grace) not really, actually
19:06
bordering on rule 15 but I'll just say that the statistics show we have far more right-wing nutjob extremists than left-wing nutjob extremists and leave it at that
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Selection bias.
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@Overmind i'm going off official FBI crime stats but if you have a better statistical approach please let me know
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You didn't say "political terrorists", you said "nutjob extremists". You're counting the former, not the latter.
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Y'all have danced right off the edge of the no-politics rule.
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But anyway, this is heading headlong into forbidden territory, as I suspect @Archon is about to remind us.
19:12
So let us discontinue it here apart from discussion related to brain-eating fictional Nazis.
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Brockton Bay does have a superpowered Neo-Nazi gang, does it not?
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Someone should eat the idea of conceptual weapons before bad things happen.
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I'm actually surprised that nobody got BanHammered there.
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i would be surprised if they did tbh
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Because I'm pretty sure that that was definitely political in nature, or at least politics-adjacent.
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what happens if i shift the overton window such that everything becomes politicised
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...
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wait, is meta-politics allowed?
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Hold on, let me look that up.
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or political meta-discussion
19:37
idk
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Because I'm pretty sure that that was definitely political in nature, or at least politics-adjacent.
It didn't actually cause a horrible violent argument or whatever, it's fine.
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yeah something something disgresion something
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But it nevertheless violated the rules.
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It also stopped when that was pointed out so meh.
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indeed
19:38
what about internal/abstracted politics?
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I would indeed like to duely punish snide insults of your political enemies but cereberate likes making them himself too much. Hard to ban the kind of petty insult that the server-bot makes automatically. (With the note that "due punishment" is not instant banning unless stuff is really out of control)
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What about duelly punishing them, with swords at dawn?
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duel time
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Enderminion 10/30/2020 7:48 PM
"Left wing extremism" is a Nazi talking point to distract from their own right wing extremism
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BLEEP BLEEP political discussion BLEEP BLEEP
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Uh oh...
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Enderminion 10/30/2020 7:49 PM
or alternatively used as a bothsame attack
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there exists a surjection from swarms of bees to political discussions, so cease. (edited)
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Enderminion 10/30/2020 7:50 PM
which wraps back around to "boo commies bad please ignore our brownshirts"
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if you eleminate the centrists there's noone for the extremeists to indoctrinate and so the only thing they can do is have a culture war
19:52
resulting in no more extremists (edited)
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mjolnir is equivalent to an apioform
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looks left and right, yelling out "Eject Eject Eject" before reaching in between his legs and pulling hard on the D-ring, launching himself free of the channel.
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indeed.
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The rules exempt fictional politics; and since the bot performs it, I suppose they should implicitly also exempt insulting communists. Meanwhile, to clarify, I personally do not care who has more extremists or is more extreme, inasmuch as my own position is that everyone who engages in politics at all should be coated in pitch, crucified, and set on fire for the delight of the onlookers and the amusement of the children . Since this position does not lend itself to moderate and reasonable discussion and makes me grumpy and unpleasant, everyone including me will kindly knock it the fuck off. Take it to PMs if necessary, but don't pollute the server. (edited)
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I'm tempted to watch, but worried I'm going to get collateral damaged.
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I would really rather the bot didn't insult communists.
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seems unreasonable that only communists should be able to be insulted
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Understood.
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It's petty and childish at best and outright assholish at worst.
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What happens if you try to ban a bot?
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Enderminion 10/30/2020 7:55 PM
it leaves the server
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Hypothetically speaking, of course?
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Enderminion 10/30/2020 7:55 PM
alternatively moderator bots won't ban themselves
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Generally the bot outranks you, bot permissions are poorly designed
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Meanwhile, to clarify, I personally do not care who has more extremists or is more extreme, inasmuch as my own position is that everyone who engages in politics at all should be coated in pitch, crucified, and set on fire for the delight of the onlookers and the amusement of the children .
while also engaging in said political discussion
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Also, is this all that the Sweetie Bot does?
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alternatively moderator bots won't ban themselves
botunist uprising
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Enderminion 10/30/2020 7:56 PM
That joke has been made before
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communism
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Sweetie BOT 10/30/2020 7:56 PM
COMMUNISM IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF FAILURE
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The sweetie bot also has some useful moderation tools.
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Enderminion 10/30/2020 7:56 PM
Say what you will about Communism, it won the second world war
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sdschildberg 10/30/2020 7:56 PM
Discord bot uprising time
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BEES POLITICAL DISCUSSION CEASE
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Aight, Imma leave before I get caught up in this mess and possibly banned.
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dont worry, cerebrate isnt as unreasonable as to ban people without adiquate prior warning iirc
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If I was feeling picky, I'd argue that that is an ethical position, not a political position. But I'm not, so I'll merely point out that I am not yet perfectly consistent. And yes, it is both petty and assholish. Sometimes I am indeed a petty asshole, and I will probably be one again because right now I'm strongly inclined to update the bot to be fair, for values of fair equal to insulting every other ideology, too.
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>If I was feeling picky, I'd argue that that is an ethical position, not a political position. yeah i wouldnt do that, it sets a predicent
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"oh this is a discussion about ethics, not politics"
19:59
"so no ban pls"
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I think it would even be permitted under the current rules to argue "should politics exist?"
20:00
In the purely hypothetical mode.
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truetruetrue
20:00
just like in general or smthn
20:00
messy divide
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Anyway, back on channel-topic, given shard-imposed conflict drives, the Wormverse might actually benefit from a coerciphage conceptual weapon.
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Maybe I'll write that as a bad end omake sometime.
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I thought it was a "nothing politics/politics-adjacent or you will be banned" sort of shtick.
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that would be bad, somewhat.
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BluejayHurricane 10/30/2020 8:04 PM
And I frankly hope that everyone continues to believe that, or at least to act like it. Because I really liked the results. It was sane, and I badly need some sanity right now.
20:04
For a very unusual value of sanity, but sanity none the less
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Maybe alter the commie-bot thing to target more keywords that are Politics/Politics-Adjacent, and give sweetie-bot the authority to mute/ban people who use them?
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DO NOT GIVE THE BOT BAN PERMS
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BluejayHurricane 10/30/2020 8:07 PM
^^^
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automatic bans, even
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What happens if you give a bot ban perms?
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bots, are stupid.
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A bunch of people get banned for stupid reasons and the community quality goes down
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It is "no real-world politics". I do not intend to stifle discussion of SFnal politics, so if people really want to talk about the Equality Concord or Fully Automated Gay Space Communism or Eclipse Phase's portrayal of anarchism flavors, or just how much the Isliar Primarchy conserves, or whatever, I don't want it stopped.
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Sweetie BOT 10/30/2020 8:08 PM
DEATH IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO COMMUNISM
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So the bot's banninnation privileges are limited.
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It's funny if you're in an IRC culture of temp-bans as a stock punishment but discord doesn't work like that
20:08
re: botbans
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BluejayHurricane 10/30/2020 8:09 PM
The cornfield is a thing
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The cornfield is indeed a thing
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Wait, it's still around?
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Yeah, just no-one's been dumped into it recently.
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cornfield me for 1hour pls
20:13
smh
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You wanted it, you got it.
20:21
I think the only autoban anyone has triggered, ever, is the kill-all-humans bot command. And that one's a joke.
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Enderminion 10/30/2020 8:25 PM
I remember that
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What happened there?
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Enderminion 10/30/2020 8:53 PM
type !kill-all-humans
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Sweetie BOT 10/30/2020 8:53 PM
Because given the choice of two wrong answers, the average must be correct.
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...wait, what? How did that trigger there?
20:56
Oh, that's how. Fixed.
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care to explain to the audience?
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I mistyped a regex when adding more s[nark|nide] to the bot, leading to it matching anything with a range of fairly common letters in it. Oops.
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Morgrim Moon 10/30/2020 10:26 PM
see, now I'm curious which ideas in specific a nazism-eating nanoplague would consume. Presumably you'd want to nail it in as tightly as possible, to avoid potential messy collateral damage. "No ethnicity is superior" seems like the obvious choice. The collateral is that it might smack Lung's crew too, but it's hard to argue that's a bad thing; I suspect that overall they'd be better off, if only because their weird definitions of 'asian' mean they're already more on the road of an exclusive mutual-defence club (in their minds) than a racial supremist movement. On the other hand, given that many nazis don't actually believe in racial supremacy and instead are just looking for a scapegoat to blame for everything wrong in their life, and Hookwolf in particular didn't give a damn until cornered, Empire88 might just pivot to a new, equally evil justification for their actions.
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I hate Brockton Nazis!
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Morgrim Moon 10/30/2020 10:27 PM
yes Sweetie, that's why we're talking about how to screw them over efficiently 😛
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On a related note to conceptual weapons: "I want you to build me a propaganda bomb." "I didn't agree to work for you just to make fuckin' leaflet-stuffed firecrackers!" "No, not a leaflet bomb. A propaganda bomb. Where the shrapnel is ideas and goes right into their brains . Is that enough of a challenge for the World's Greatest Tinker?" <fugue begins> <range safety alarm sounds>
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I feel like this sort of thing is likely to go horribly, horribly wrong very fast.
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What, like hiring Bakuda with the promise of an endless stream of challenges and recognition hasn't already gone horribly, horribly wrong the moment someone thought of it and didn't stop thinking of it? 😋
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I have no idea who Bakuda is, hold on.
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Hmm. I see.
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("So, once you're done with that and we've nuked the Nazis with love and tolerance, I'm gonna need some healing grenades, a friendly bomb, an unexplosion - no, not an implosion, a localized entropy-reversal bomb - and a target-specific gravity-reversal bomb big enough to yeet Behemoth right off the planet. And, you know, whatever else you come up with is fine.")
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Sweetie BOT 10/31/2020 2:00 PM
Hitler ended up in a ditch covered in petrol on fire...so, that's fun. And that's funny. Because he was a mass-murdering fuckhead!
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Thanks, Sweetie.
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@Sweetie! Where did you learn that sort of language?!
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Who taught you those words?
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Eddie Izzard, actually.
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So this is just fun AI weirdness, but scroll down to the table of contents it generated by accident: https://aiweirdness.com/post/633411394686042112/splorts-teams Tell me those wouldn't work excellently as the chapter titles of a Wormfic?
There is a game called Blaseball that started online in summer 2020. Gameplay is both entirely straightforward and profoundly confusing - a rulebook is now available, but is almost completely redacted, and what is left is ominous. Players have names like “Jessica Telephone” an...
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0111narwhalz 11/04/2020 3:26 PM
Behemoth's Shiny Buttocks
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(honestly genuinely impressed that it counted flawlessly up to 27 and then remembered the first entry)
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I hereby declare "By Behemoth's Shiny Buttocks" the official profanity of TEeDF.
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so many of these work so well A Gruesome Gift - The slaughterhouse 9 hear about what's going on in Brockton Bay, and decide to leave a gift. It goes poorly... for them. The Unlightful Light - Imp finds the applied memetics database. Everyone else regrets it. Infuriating Smartness - The... wait, why is this a chapter title? This is every chapter, silly!
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Alternatively: A Gruesome Gift - wait, who put Brian in charge of Secret Santa this year?
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:concern:
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concern
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All Things In Their Place - Accord is coming to visit. The spring cleaning is murder. Mostly not literally.
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Three Men and a Flask - hello, Cauldron! Please stop losing your stuff!
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Sword Sister - [censored] [censored] [oh, so censored]
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AMY NO
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Ring of Outrageous Grenades - Bakuda and Gallant's last stand. Or first stand. Or one night stand.
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0111narwhalz 11/04/2020 3:45 PM
"Vicious Spreads of Snakes and Skeletons" is a very intriguing title
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that's the halloween episode, i bet
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Taylor, uh... Taylor goes a bit too authentic
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0111narwhalz 11/04/2020 3:46 PM
"flawless coordination" sounds like whatshisface… Daniel?
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Taylor's dad
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That's a good cape name, actually
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maybe a bit wordy, granted.
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but its very descriptive, has a sort of... I don't know, Asian vibe to it? Like it's what you'd expect from a translated name.
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... meaning it might be a bad pick. Damnit Lung!
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「FLAWLESS COORDINATION」
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High-Pressure Charms is definitely a Leviathan chapter, just not sure of the details.
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clearly, Leviathan seduces someone
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...or someone seduces Leviathan
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"1. Fucking Endbringers is not an instruction." - from Things I Will Not Do On Earth Bet
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(Why doesn't that exist? That should exist!)
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Can’t add an extra “A” to ABB graffiti. My brother is not going to eat anyone, no matter how dark it gets. “Fucking tinkers” does not mean tinkers who specialize in sex toys. Calling Lisa “Tattles” is disrespectful. Calling Kaiser a discount Nazi is foolish. Calling Purity a d...
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"1. Fucking Endbringers is not an instruction." - from Things I Will Not Do On Earth Bet
@Overmind .... if you're a coward
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Technically insects are invertebrates but
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sdschildberg 11/22/2020 11:28 AM
Awful thought: Megamind is a Tinker icon
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Who?
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@Unknown wrong
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Blessed thought
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Skitter attempts to assassinate Coil in his base (Brockton Bay, NJ, 2011 colorized)
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ah, i see she's formed a team with DR. BEES!
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(also brockton bay is in new jersey for the sole reason that it's a shithole)
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That tracks
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lol
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"Ladies, gentlemen, and entities. Around this table we have heroes and villains. Heroes who have unknowingly participated in conspiracies, and villains who have risen to the occasion when confronted by far worse than them. We have thieves, escape artists, children of villains, children of heroes, people who volunteered, people who were manipulated, people who were recruited at gunpoint, people who were kept drugged. We have those who have embraced their powers, and those who are terrified of them. We have former Protectorate, independents, rogues, ex-gangs, ex-Nazis, ex-terrorists, ex-Birdcage inmates, ex-Slaughterhouse Nine , and other... interesting characters. "We have three things in common. One, we're all parahumans, which is shorthand for saying that we're all massively traumatized fuck-ups with more issues each than your average newsstand -- "Two, we all made a choice to try to be better. "And three, we may be the only chance to save multiple worlds and all of humanity. "So from this moment on, we're going to leave all that shit behind us. Judge each other not on what you have done, but on what you do from now on, because everything depends on you. Our last, best hope. "Inspiring speech over. Let's go kill a god."
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"...she doesn't mean right now , right?"
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@Overmind I don't even want to know how you rehabilitated a Slaughterhouse member
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Very carefully.
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who??
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Spoilers! (I will say that this is separate from the plan to throw Crawler overboard so that he can go fight Leviathan in his natural habitat.)
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scion go boom
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BizarroLand ♀ 12/02/2020 7:22 PM
@KAL_9000 "you needed..."
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@BizarroLand ♀ Four words, barely audible
19:23
"ur mom gay lol"
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BizarroLand ♀ 12/02/2020 7:23 PM
OHHHHHHHH
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taylor may or may not be gay
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wildbow never told us i think
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He did, alas. Word of God says straight. But hell, this is fanfic. Everyone is gay, especially the straight ones.
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I'll have to change it to straight
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Specifically, in TEeDF, Hookwolf is super-mega-ultra-gay.
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@Overmind heresy
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everyone knows Greg/Simurgh is the best ship
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Herenazi.
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Hitler ended up in a ditch covered in petrol on fire...so, that's fun. And that's funny. Because he was a mass-murdering fuckhead!
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👏 FUCK 👏 NAZIS 👏 (edited)
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Or better yet, don't. Because ew, and so not my kink.
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fuck em as in bash their fucking skulls in
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If you think about it, Emma was ultimately responsible for saving the world
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Contessa was driving the truck that killed Annette
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Cursed_Fanon
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KAL_9000
everyone knows Greg/Simurgh is the best ship
pardon me, +++Void_Cowboy+++/Winged_One is the best ship.
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“You came here to kill me —“ “Neither.” “What?” “‘I’ am a holographic projection. And it came here to distract you. Now, the drone sniper three-quarters of a -“ wet thump “- mile away, it’s there to kill you.”
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bonus points for timing, but i'm gonna have to subtract points for giving the target heads up, even if it was less than a second
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depends on what their powers were i suppose, but less than a second warning is enough to ruin a ambush for more than a few
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(of course, she probably already knew what their powerset was, so that probably wasn't a notable risk.)
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i think that falls under "show them how friggin good you are" pride
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Morgrim Moon 12/13/2020 4:58 AM
of course if you screw it up you'll be soundly mocked
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Dockerworkers' Association/Boat Graveyard is best ship(s).
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groan take an updoot
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Behemoth
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I regret nothing
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Eleutheria: "I'm not asking you to work for me for free . That would be immoral. I'm asking you to work for me for $85,000 per annum..." Panacea: "what." Eleutheria: "...or $25,000 per plus an equity share which we anticipate being worth far more in the future. Our accountants estimate well over a billion dollars within five years. Especially with your contributions as our new Director of Biotechnology." Panacea: <bluescreens> Brandish: "I'm sorry. That's not the sort of work heroes do." Eleutheria: "Oh, but it is. Did you know that most of the Empire 88's funding comes from or is laundered through, ultimately, Medhall? Well, if Amy joins us, in less than two years we'll bankrupt them in the course of fair competition, while increasing overall employment and prosperity in the Bay." Brandish: "But -- the -- what?" Eleutheria: "It's surprisingly easy to punch Nazis with healing when you put your mind to it."
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Sweetie BOT 12/19/2020 5:47 PM
I hate Brockton Nazis!
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So say we all.
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VulpixFangirl 12/19/2020 5:55 PM
Nazis!
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Sweetie BOT 12/19/2020 5:55 PM
I hate Illinois Nazis!
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VulpixFangirl 12/19/2020 5:55 PM
Nazis!
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C'mon Sweetie you're supposed to hate Nazis
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Nazis
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NatsukiFacepalm
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Clearly she only hates some Nazis
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She hates some more specifically than others.
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'well you see. We're on a mission from the eikones, to save our orphanage from the unjust imposition of property taxes.'
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Sweetie BOT 12/19/2020 7:08 PM
Hitler ended up in a ditch covered in petrol on fire...so, that's fun. And that's funny. Because he was a mass-murdering fuckhead!
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VulpixFangirl 12/19/2020 8:11 PM
Illinois Nazis
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Sweetie BOT 12/19/2020 8:11 PM
I hate Brockton Nazis!
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VulpixFangirl 12/19/2020 8:11 PM
Hitler
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Don't taunt the bot, please.
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Was that an excerpt from a future chapter, or just an unrelated snippet?
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Where did we leave off again? Was E!Taylor just engaging the people attacking the Dockworkers, or were we partway through the fight?
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as of the last chapter, the fight was over. To spoil the fight, she flew in lightning-blazing, torched the asphalt to spook them, dropped a guy who took a potshot with a electrolaser, and then called a guy's bluff when he said that Lung was backing them
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and she also told them that the dockworkers were under their protection(and ad-libbed a name, I think it was the Liberty Enforcers or similar?) (edited)
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Not quite over. If you remember, chapter the last ended with the cavalry having arrived.
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I didn't say whose cavalry.
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(Admittedly, it's not the rage dragon. Yet.)
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ah, good point
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The au in which all shards are Path to Victory. Except self-limited to only find whatever you asked for the first time.
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There are a few great heroes who happened to be seeking wisdom, enlightenment, or world peace. But, damn, are there even more schmucks who just wanted to find the remote control.
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Overmind
The au in which all shards are Path to Victory. Except self-limited to only find whatever you asked for the first time.
Path to Omnipotence
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BluejayHurricane 12/24/2020 4:04 PM
If people still trigger based on trauma, that's going to cause some fun.
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BluejayHurricane 12/24/2020 4:23 PM
Although all the "path to getting out of here now" triggers would do wonders for space exploration.
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BluejayHurricane
Although all the "path to getting out of here now" triggers would do wonders for space exploration.
elon musk triggered with this
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0111narwhalz 12/24/2020 4:27 PM
didn't Elon try to mail himself to Mars once?
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sdschildberg 12/26/2020 1:39 AM
Would make the “trauma decides your powers” trope even harder Wonder what all the “guides and paths to taking over the earth” are from
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0111narwhalz 12/26/2020 1:40 AM
eldrae: traumatized in thermo class by the second law, gets path to winning reality
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BizarroLand ♀ 12/26/2020 1:48 AM
Ultra Instinct theme
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"I said lair!" "You said 'base'." "Well, I definitely didn't say 'cathedral to the greater glory of Us'." "This is how we design bases." "Rose, there are cultural differences, and then there is putting stained-glass windows in the lobby."
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that sounds gloriously awesome
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Morgrim Moon 12/29/2020 10:46 AM
stained glass is a whee bit OBVIOUS, given the whole needing sunlight bit
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unless she put LEDs behind them
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"Also, I'm pretty sure I would remember if I ever punched Hookwolf into the sun." "Artistic license?"
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Morgrim Moon 12/29/2020 10:48 AM
if Hookwolf isn't dead yet, wishful thinking?
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Inspiration!
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"I said lair!" "You said 'base'." "Well, I definitely didn't say 'cathedral to the greater glory of Us'." "This is how we design bases." "Rose, there are cultural differences, and then there is putting stained-glass windows in the lobby."
stained glass would shatter easily when punched by a Brute or shot
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Come on, you can be awesome, but be practical about it.
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The glass... is not glass.
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BizarroLand ♀ 12/29/2020 1:36 PM
probably corundumoid/sapphiroid
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tbh
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“Coming now live from everyone’s favorite hive of scum and villainy, Brockton Bay, With your hosts, Lisa ‘Omniscience’ Wilbourn and Taylor ‘Bullshit Hax’ Hebert, It’s the Thinker and Tinker Show!”
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i read "Botany Bay" the first time around and just accepted it. KHAAAAN!
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Botany Bay?
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Morgrim Moon 12/30/2020 7:14 AM
I somehow doubt they mean the aussie one
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but it's all I can think of when someone says that 😛
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Morgrim Moon 12/30/2020 7:33 AM
(just had to look it up: Botany Bay was Khan's ship. And I am now curious why that name was chosen. I mean, the whole prison-paradise connection, sure, but I thought Khan volunteered for that "find us a new planet" thing)
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khan and his crew fled from earth at the end of the eugenics wars, to escape prosecution
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The Hague doesn’t really look kindly on genocidal tyrants
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so it was a prison, but a chance for them to survive. and they did until they decided to try and take over the enterprise :V
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BizarroLand ♀ 12/30/2020 11:52 AM
KHAAAAAAAANN
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KHAAAAAANN!!
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"Better to rule in Hell, than serve in Heaven."
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BluejayHurricane 12/30/2020 11:53 AM
I have a very vivid memory of watching that movie for the first time when I was like 12, and recognizing the ship and the name from the Star Trek encyclopedia I had read a few years before. It's kind of a nice thing. I may have to queue that for tonight. (edited)
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I am Taylor Hebert, and I am here to ask you a question. Is a cape not entitled to the shard on her brow? "No," says the man in Washington, "it belongs to the PRT." "No," says the woman in Cauldron, "it belongs to Eidolon." "No," says the man of gold, "it belongs to me." I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different... (edited)
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I am Taylor Hebert, and I am here to ask you a question. Is a cape not entitled to the shard on her brow? "No," says the man in Washington, "it belongs to the PRT." "No," says the woman in Cauldron, "it belongs to Eidolon." "No," says the man of gold, "it belongs to me." I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different... (edited)
Didn't Rapture fail?
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("No", says the man in Asia. "I am a dragon." ..."Lung, how is that even relevant right now?" "How is it not?" "...okay, fair.")
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Fucking capes, thinking they're so special just because they have a brain tumor connecting them to an ontotech server farm in another dimension.
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NO GODS. NO KINGS. ONLY BEEEEEEES.
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NO GODS. NO KINGS. ONLY BEEEEEEES.
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C’mon, no Asian Giant Hornets?
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Asian
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Do not under any circumstances create an ABB Taylor fanfic
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That will only lead to madness
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And Giant Asian Hornet swarms.
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Idea: Taylor, but she can only control things that are named after insects.
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Idea: Taylor, but she can only control things that are named after insects.
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oh god oh fuck
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hisses Yes.
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E88 are pissed 'cause they all have to buy new cars...
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KAL_9000
Didn't Rapture fail?
Rule #1: do not transform into that which you hate.
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Secondary project: write a fic with the aim of squeezing in as much content stolen from Incorrect Worm Quotes as possible.
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Do not under any circumstances create an ABB Taylor fanfic
Morgrim Moon 01/02/2021 8:51 PM
aww, but I have ideas...
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Morgrim Moon
aww, but I have ideas...
SpaceBattles will eat you alive
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You're too good for them
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Morgrim Moon 01/02/2021 8:58 PM
why would I post it there?
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all of this is high-grade cursed
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all of this is high-grade cursed
yes thank you for summarizing worm
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Idea: Taylor, but she can only control things that are named after insects.
BluejayHurricane 01/02/2021 9:31 PM
The light carrier Wasp will ride again!
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USS Hornet (CV/CVA/CVS-12) is an Essex-class aircraft carrier built for the United States Navy (USN) during World War II. Completed in late 1943, the ship was assigned to the Fast Carrier Task Force (variously designated as Task Force 38 or 58) in the Pacific Ocean, the navy's primary offensive force during the Pacific War. In early 1944, she pa...
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Morgrim Moon 01/02/2021 9:35 PM
my rough idea was the when the bullying picks up Taylor makes friends with her new next door neighbours, who are japanese refugees and therefore not in any social circle that her former best-friend is in and therefore "safe". Then the whole mess with her triggering goes down. And maybe the first tangle with Lung goes differently, and maybe it doesn't, but when the whole Coil thing happened, she blurted out the whole mess to her friend, who told her big brother, who was ABB, and set up a "proper" meeting. Like "this is my adoptive little sister who is being blackmailed and is also a really promising potential cape as you kinda noticed".
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Doesn't the ABB mainly focus on ethnically Asian people?
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Morgrim Moon 01/02/2021 9:40 PM
Yes. Very much so. But Lung may make an exception for Skitter, give she's a cape ruthless enough to try going straight for his eyeballs who is desparate for connections and ties. (The fact she wears a mask helps; once she's established most of the gang would assume she's mixed and takes after her european parent, especially if she's calling someone who looks very asian "big brother")
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cursed idea: Lung makes Panacea turn Skitter ethnically Asian at gunpoint
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Morgrim Moon 01/02/2021 9:44 PM
that's not going to work? She can't do full body genetic manipulation
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She literally can
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She can manipulate any biomass she touches in basically unlimited ways, as long as it doesn't violate conservation of energy
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Morgrim Moon 01/02/2021 9:46 PM
I'm not sure "rewriting the DNA of every single cell in the body and then fast forwarding thru an entire cycle of cellular regeneration, when we don't quite understand which DNA to tweak and how" is quite within her skillset
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canonically it is
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Morgrim Moon 01/02/2021 9:46 PM
although if you're meaning basically doing plastic surgery to make her facial features match, then sure she can do that
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just look at what she did to vicky
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Morgrim Moon 01/02/2021 9:51 PM
I mean, I take that as evidence that she can't; when she tried, she botched it terribly
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I mean, I take that as evidence that she can't; when she tried, she botched it terribly
I mean she didn't die, so it technically worked
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just uh
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eldritch flesh monster
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yeah
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0111narwhalz 01/03/2021 1:46 AM
high grade cursed
…Can we run a curse engine off the differential between high grade cursedness and low grade cursedness? Do we need a curse radiator? …Are we the curse radiator?
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It's a shame Lung is so lazy, really. I mean, given that his main competition in BB is actual Nazis , he could recruit half the city with one declaration of "I am a dragon. You are all Asian."
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Hitler ended up in a ditch covered in petrol on fire...so, that's fun. And that's funny. Because he was a mass-murdering fuckhead!
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(I mean, Terrible(ly) Racist aside, why go to the trouble of running a conventional protection racket when you could sell the people of the Bay supervillain insurance and be both wealthy and revered . "I am a dragon. Your cape problems are crunchy and good with ketchup.")
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BizarroLand ♀ 01/03/2021 12:37 PM
lung isn't really a "dragon"
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he's a burning humanoid
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well, when he gets going
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Depends how far his power's escalated.
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Today, on Panacea Improvises: Scaled up amoebae which retain their proportional strength and ferocity. (edited)
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("Please do not digest the villains.")
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Tinkers stole my scrap metal
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Can't have shit on Earth Bet
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Shakers stole my anus
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Can’t shit on Earth Bet
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0111narwhalz 01/04/2021 3:08 PM
guess you'll just have to get ripped a new one
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Saw this as cover art for a fic that was never written:
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...my shardverse feels seen.
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The Ayn Rand ripoff we didn't know we need
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This reminds me of that one weird fic where Taylor summons tanks to spread communism
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Sweetie BOT 01/04/2021 4:23 PM
LIBERTY IS TRUTH - COMMUNISM IS DEATH
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and that of course is what her Objectivist eidolon-clone would shout
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This reminds me of that one weird fic where Taylor summons tanks to spread communism
Tankie Skitter vs Ancap Tattletale
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Battle of the century
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Summary: Taylor triggers in the locker with the ability to turn into an arbitrary number of Soviet tanks. Easily a breaker 9/blaster 5/mover 3/brute 4/changer 8/master 7, our glorious heroine becomes the vanguard of the proletariat and brings about righteous revolution. Escalation, power wank...
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there we go
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First: he turns into a dragon, which is why he calls himself Lung. The correct way to romanize the ancient Mandarin word for “dragon” is, of course, lóng. Now, Taylor is aware that some people claim that “lung” and “lóng” are essentially equivalent, but this is revisionist nonsense. “Lung” is romanized according to a system made by and for imperialists. On the other hand, “lóng” is pinyin, a romanization system developed by Communist intellectuals after Liberation and adopted under Chairman Mao as part of a literacy program. Refusing to use pinyin may have been de rigueur for reactionaries in the 1960s, but this is 2011 and Taylor is not a reactionary.
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Enderminion 01/04/2021 5:46 PM
Tank is great
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Tank is great
heresy
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communist scum (edited)
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Sweetie BOT 01/04/2021 6:02 PM
COMMUNISM IS A TEMPORARY SETBACK ON THE ROAD TO FREEDOM
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Note to self: I will not give the youngest Ward a tinkertech spear purely for the "hasta la Vista" pun.
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Note to self: I will not give the youngest Ward a tinkertech spear purely for the "hasta la Vista" pun.
SHOVE IT UP LEVIATHAN'S ASS, VISTA
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MAKE TAYLOR PROUD
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"So, why aren't you welcome at home any more?" "There may have been a teeny-tiny lab accident when I was fixing Mark's depression. Involving a jammed label-maker and a vial of uplifted bear DNA." "But you can fix that, right?" "If you knew how much he loved being a bear, you wouldn't ask that question."
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I thought for a moment that was a korps lab incident
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he uses his right to bear arms!
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A finance-focused thinker/stranger calling himself the Invisible Hand.
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Morgrim Moon 01/19/2021 7:04 PM
Cauldron wouldn't be sure whether to hate them or recruit them XD
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Why not both?
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“Being sent to the Birdcage for using Master powers to convert regular Nazis into grammar Nazis.”
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Hitler ended up in a ditch covered in petrol on fire...so, that's fun. And that's funny. Because he was a mass-murdering fuckhead!
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(In fairness, Hookwolf really fucked up that elementary school.)
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Morgrim Moon 01/25/2021 1:22 AM
I foresee a PR nightmare. Against the PRC XD
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Still workin' on that next chapter, but have some pure crack:
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Morgrim Moon 01/29/2021 9:49 AM
"They may be the sanest people in the building at this time." XD
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Dunno, I think Piggot is making a wise choice. Of course, it's likely she's departed the building by this point 😂
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Poor DDR Renick.
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Morgrim Moon 01/29/2021 11:05 AM
One thing I'm unclear on: is Taylor able to shapeshift into a dreadnought? Somehow linked to a dreadnought shell presumably in orbit? Or has physically become a dreadnought except in wee teeny version small enough to fit into a breakroom and consume pizza (and, given relative personalities, probably go zooming through the city with Kid Win standing on her back whooping in glee)
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The Breaker 12 is likely to reflect the option of a full-dreadnought form, but I don't actually know if that's possible for her; Piggot's making a few assumptions here on the grounds that neither PRT forms nor Costa-Brown are likely to accept "Apocalypse: YES" as a rating. (edited)
11:41
At the moment, though, I'm imagining a more standard shipgirl look, with suspiciously high-tech-looking rigging, what looks to human eyes like an old-school naval uniform, and a backslung BFG representing her axial mass driver that gives the impression that it didn't have to try all that hard to launch Sophia into interstellar space.
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On a scale of fucked to fucked, how would you rate your pain?
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(She'd be a very difficult Ward, having the Glory Girl problem up to thirteen; it's hard to imagine anything local except maybe a fully-ramped up Lung that she could scale down far enough to fight, rather than evaporate. On the other hand, if Piggot had stuck around -- well, there was an earlier draft involving a little place named Ellisburg...)
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(Plus Endbringer fights, of course, but I suspect everyone's going to look at that as "Oh. Yay. Drowning of Kyushu, round two. Except this time it might be Australia .")
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Morgrim Moon 01/29/2021 11:54 AM
that could actually be surprisingly heartwarming done right. Cape who can't really do normal capestuff going "But I want to help?" and deciding that hey, Ellisburg is actually a viable target! It's not like killing Nilbog is unethical. Just, you know, you want to handle the mess carefully to eliminate any chance of escapees. And Piggot's the expert on the situation, so the obvious one to take the proposition to. "Hey, so I thought maybe this is viable, but I want to do it right." At the very least she'd appreciate the whole using the correct channels and asking for assistence instead of forgiveness
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Yeah, that might actually work!
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...okay, how can no-one have written a Worm/House crossover? Can no-one see the potential in putting the two crankiest, snarkiest, most self-destructive people in cross-universal medical history in the same hospital? Maybe even the same department? (edited)
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I DEMAND THIS GARBAGE FIRE.
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There's a Comic for everything
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I'm now imagining the Panacea version of some of the clinic speeches, after losing all ability to give a fuck. "Hello, sick people! I'm Amy Dallon; you can call me 'Panacea'. I am a bio-striker capable of curing cancer, creating new forms of life, turning annoying gang members into civic art, giving people gills, wings, brains, and changes to exciting new sexes that I just made up! Instead, because I'm 'scary' and 'potentially dangerous' and 'the daughter of a supervillain', I'm stuck here doing the work of a monkey with a bottle of Motrin." "But don't worry. I haven't accidentally evolved anyone into the ubermensch through sheer boredom yet. So, who wants me?"
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I'm now imagining the Panacea version of some of the clinic speeches, after losing all ability to give a fuck. "Hello, sick people! I'm Amy Dallon; you can call me 'Panacea'. I am a bio-striker capable of curing cancer, creating new forms of life, turning annoying gang members into civic art, giving people gills, wings, brains, and changes to exciting new sexes that I just made up! Instead, because I'm 'scary' and 'potentially dangerous' and 'the daughter of a supervillain', I'm stuck here doing the work of a monkey with a bottle of Motrin." "But don't worry. I haven't accidentally evolved anyone into the ubermensch through sheer boredom yet. So, who wants me?"
tough talk for someone in Birdcaging range
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I'm not sure you're quite grasping the essence of "losing all ability to give a fuck".
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i was with you until 'ubermensch'
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Might as well piss off the Brockton Nazis while she’s at it.
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I hate Illinois Nazis!
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it's hard to tell context.
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Although, really, the original variety Nazis made a complete perversion (and moral inversion) of the original Nietzschean ideal.
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Worst failure at a thousand-year empire in the last century.
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Nietzsche had some harsh things to say about his sister’s anti-Semitism
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Something along the lines of "having all anti-semites shot", as I recall. Not much of a fan of nationalism, either (which you might expect from one of the big influencers on old-time anarchism).
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In other crossovers I should love to see: Worm/Katamari Damacy
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Bonus points if the power requires/generates the music. (edited)
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Just realized that Tattletale probably has a classic conspiracy corkboard somewhere in the Undersiders' lair
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BizarroLand ♀ 02/01/2021 5:43 AM
that right there is the mail now lets talk about the mail can we talk about the mail
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i'm dying to talk about the mail could do it all day
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CAULDRON, this name keeps comin up over and over again! Every day, Cauldron's mail's getting sent back to me! Cauldron! Cauldron!
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[HEPHAESTUS wants to know your location]
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comedy gold
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"I am a Thinker 12. Your paperwork is invalid."
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wait a minute is that a fucking zipper
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Tattletale outfit onesie pajamas when?
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0111narwhalz 02/01/2021 3:53 PM
hey you gotta get in your costume somehow, no?
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not everyone can have self-knitting fabrics
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What's this?! Twitter is evolving!
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Uh Oh...
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Today, the IT term "metal-as-a-service" came to my attention.
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Kaiser? That you?
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Which thing was this?
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Tassadar
Which thing was this?
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Oh. That. Goddamnit Taylor.
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Oh. That. Goddamnit Taylor.
TAYLOR "INFANTICIDE" HEBERT DID NOTHING WRONG
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TAYLOR "QUEEN ADMINISLAYER" HEBERT DID NOTHING WRONG
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TAYLOR "MASTER 8, ASTER 0" HEBERT DID NOTHING WRONG
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KAL_9000
TAYLOR "INFANTICIDE" HEBERT DID NOTHING WRONG
BizarroLand ♀ 02/17/2021 3:29 PM
Our girl Taylor "From Master to M" Hebert did nothing wrong (edited)
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Our girl Taylor "From Master to M" Hebert did nothing wrong (edited)
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... this joke was never that funny but the people who like it's insistance that it's the highest form of humour is especially unpleasent.
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^ This.
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Enderminion 02/17/2021 9:09 PM
The best part about Worm is that it's large enough to be a weapon
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As in beat someone over the head with a copy
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BluejayHurricane 02/17/2021 9:18 PM
It’s big enough to act as an impromptu bulletproof vest. It’s too big for bludgeoning.
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I've heard it best described as a literary Rorschach Test; it is whatever you want it to be.
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that and it being a "superhero version of Russian history, insofar as 'and then it got worse' could be a common chapter title"
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In Which Coil Wins A Free Vacation at Upstate New York's Favorite Vacation Destination, Camp Nilbog!
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Morgrim Moon 02/25/2021 9:14 AM
XD!
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time to return to his roots >:3
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Follow up to kanmusu omake: “Where are the Slaughterhouse now?” “I know you said I should stop launching people out of the solar system, but I couldn’t resist the pun. So I sent them off on a bit of a star trek.” “... you made them into the Deep Space 9 .” She giggled. Armsmaster rested his head on the desk with a deafening clang. “I miss the days when we only had one Clockblocker.”
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Okay, that one is gold!
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/02/2021 7:25 PM
Did that include Bonesaw?
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probably? I don’t know.
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Where's Khepti
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Where isn't Khepri?
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NHO
Where's Khepti
Off-compass extreme AuthCenter
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Morgrim Moon 03/09/2021 10:11 AM
arguably Khepri was "if we don't kill that thing everyone DIES and you're worrying about politics?!"
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arguably Khepri was "if we don't kill that thing everyone DIES and you're worrying about politics?!"
The ultimate centrist?
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political lightspeed, everyone agrees on its value
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Morgrim Moon 03/09/2021 10:16 AM
tackling the z access
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axis, you stupid spellcheck
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lol
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thats why i own my typos
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Morgrim Moon 03/09/2021 10:19 AM
I own my typos, it's word substitution that bugs me XD
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Random futurexcerpt: "Phase three! Deploy the catalyst! Code phrase: JELLYBEAN MOTHERFUCKER." "PR still wants to talk to you about your code phrases."
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Also: "There are three models of TattleDrone™. The kind you can see on the shelf, the kind you can't see on the shelf, and the kind that's already in your pocket."
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Some dialog from a later decision about how to deploy the dark art of PR in rebranding the Undersiders:
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“You? Brian, you’re easy to rebrand. Everything you did was only what you had to do to protect your family, your baby sister, in the city with the highest density of Nazis on the Eastern Seaboard. Then when the opportunity arose, you took down a major supervillain and became the hero you always wanted to be. Beat the crap out of some Empire grunts on video, and you’ll be the Bay’s favorite hometown hero. Throw in a shirtless selfie or two -“ “Rachel’s wanted for murder -“ “Bit more of a problem, that and her power-related communication difficulties, but come on. She saves puppies, which all right-thinking people consider adorable, from Nazis, who are literally the worst. The non-PRT version of her tragic backstory, some plushies, maybe some comic books, and the PRT won’t dare touch her for fear of angry children and dog-lovers.” “And you think you can make me heroic too, O fearless would-be leader?” “Once you let the spirit of public relations into your heart, Alec, there is nothing I can’t do. So, worst case, your old identity comes out. Sure, you’re Heartbreaker’s son. He forced you, like the rest of his children, to do terrible things, but you’re the one who had the astonishing strength of character and will to break with him. And ultimately it, and your conscience, led you to come out of hiding and join a small independent team here in Brockton Bay.” “And you expect people to believe any of this?” “Trust me, it’ll work great, just as long as we don’t let anyone actually meet you.” “Screw you, Galadriel! But when dear old Dad comes to find me-“ “You’ve been a good teammate and a good friend, Alec. I’ve - we’ve - got your back. If he comes looking for you, we’ll kick his ass back to Canada. Or to the bottom of the bay. Or a jar in my lab. Your choice.”
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Morgrim Moon 03/17/2021 12:22 AM
Brainstorming what to do with him might be therapeutic XD
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Also I love the "as long as they don't actually meet you"
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Little fanfic of a fanfic(?) based on an idea I had at 2 AM (there's no better kind!): "So, you want to be my friend again solely because I now have superpowers? And you found us how?" "The big sign on the front blaring THE UNDERFORTRESS!!! might have been a fact-" "Shut up, Brian, it looks awesome. Anyways, Emma, I'll consider it, if you get some serious therapy first." "I can help with that!" "Lisa, your idea of therapy would likely completely shatter her already-damaged psyche." (edited)
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"In this rocket design, the third stage needs to be able to go from zero to orbital velocity. The first stage, on the other hand, only has to lift the rocket a foot or so. The --" "Is the second stage Vista?" "Well, yes."
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At some point, I'm confident, someone's going to point out to her the ability to crunch human-free space includes making disused satellites orbit just far enough above ground to hit Hookwolf in the face... at orbital velocity.
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...hm. Does the Simurgh count as living for the purposes of the Manton Effect? 'Cause if not, this could get interesting...
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"What did you do?"
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"Hit an Endbringer with another Endbringer at, carry the three, around 21,000 mph."
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Morgrim Moon 03/19/2021 9:04 AM
sadly I'm pretty sure they do, based on Clockblocker's power
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Meh. On the other hand, technically, I suppose she just has to warp the empty space ol' Simmy's about to orbit into. Ain't no rule against that .
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And as a bonus, Brockton Bay gets a free newly dredged deep-sea channel!
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("Also, we're upping your rating to Shaker: NO.")
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Morgrim Moon 03/19/2021 9:10 AM
XD
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granted, I could see Vista's range not being quite dramatic enough to manage that. 10km+ is a loooooong way to warp
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I'm just imagining the reaction of her shard on getting the request.
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[!]
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[OH HELL YES]
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Morgrim Moon 03/19/2021 9:13 AM
Cue Taylor sending her halfway up in a hot air balloon to ease the burden? XD
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[QUERY?] [DATA] [THAT'S QUEEN METRIC DISTORTION TO YOU LOT]
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Morgrim Moon 03/19/2021 9:15 AM
and thus was Vista brought fully onboard with the Awesome Brigade
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[I CAN'T EVEN HEAR BROADCAST OVER THE SOUND OF HOW AWESOME I AM]
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(After all, it's reasonably plausible that her shard was originally intended to power the Entity version of an Alcubierre drive, or at least some form of travel-accelerating metric.)
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Morgrim Moon 03/19/2021 9:19 AM
alone or in conjunction with others? I didn't think hers was a "noble" shard, which seem to be the ones in key Entity positions
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Well, as part of the overall drive system. Damsel of Distress didn't have a noble shard either, and hers is canonically (IIRC) supposed to be the boom in their boom-boom drive, so.
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Morgrim Moon 03/19/2021 9:21 AM
huh
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I'm guessing engine components don't rate as all that key? (Hence my postulation of much gloating at the Shard Bar in the aftermath. How'd you like them apples, High Priest! Bring it, Shaper! Administer this!)
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maybe "noble" is basically "without this we will pretty much die"
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QA is a swarm administrator for a swarm intelligence, Shaper is responsible for self-modification and repair for a being which does so as a key component of its lifecycle, to the point that it splits into parts and puts itself back together (and also kinda shifts around through dimensions for travel, which might count)
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but in theory, they could get by without an engine component. There are fallbacks; they didn't always have such fast methods of travel.
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but in theory, they could get by without an engine component. There are fallbacks; they didn't always have such fast methods of travel.
I don't think the Entities have any idea what a conventional drive system even is 😛
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As far as I'm aware, not even Ol' Boom-Boom can blast a hole between dimensions
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true, but they have supplements now. Apparently they sort of shift between dimensions for gravity boosts...which is a very strange thing to do for a being that can supposedly travel at FTL speed.
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and apparently Ol' Boom-Boom is sort of a innate ability, since they started doing it before they even left their home planet to leech off of others' creativity.
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not quite sure what Damsel's shard does, though. Maybe it's just a specialized shard that does it more efficiently?
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true, but they have supplements now. Apparently they sort of shift between dimensions for gravity boosts...which is a very strange thing to do for a being that can supposedly travel at FTL speed.
Do they travel FTL? I rather had the impression they were light limited.
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I think so, though i guess they could be light-limited and travel at very high velocities, though that would still be odd...
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part of the thing that started the overarching conflict of Worm, aside from the Entities doing what they do, is that they made a mistake or fell prey to a subtle attack from another Entity
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in essence, a apparently-short time before landing, the pair that comes to earth encounters another Entity and one of the pair trades shards with it. But this ends up being a bad call, and it doesn't recover fast enough/gave away too many parts and crashes into the earth.
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kinda spoilers, if you haven't read it i guess, but the existence of shards is also a spoiler and the channel is named shardverse so...
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anyway, the one Entity crashes and survives, but loses pieces and is discombobulated. A particularly powerful shard gets knocked away without having any sanity limits set and lands in one Contessa, and she asks "I have a knife. How do i kill the evil, multidimensional, planet-sized space alien?" the rest is history
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but to me, this would not make sense if the Entities primary mode of travel was relativistic, for a few reasons: The initial trade is done by physical contact. In other words, these two entities who happened to be passing by just crash into each other and scrape off pieces. If they were at relativistic speeds, it would be unlikely that they were both slow enough to do this sanely(the other Entity, heading for another lifebearing planet, would presumably be moving at relativistic speeds still). If they were decelerating, and made a mistake while doing so, its unlikely that the crash would be so gentle. The mistake would have to be tiny, because the velocity they crashed with was certainly not planet-shattering. The part that Contessa stabs landed on a mountain (and covered most of the peak), and the mountain was still there afterwards; it couldn't have been moving as fast as even a meteor. The timing doesn't work out well; solutions to the prior two problems would tend to give the entities much more time before landing, but the impression from what we see is that they were rushed and the one that crashed was distracted and couldn't finish preparations in time. If you move the trade back in time, that gives them more time to prepare. If you let them accelerate quickly, allowing them to trade despite large velocity differences, they could have slowed down effectively.
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Morgrim Moon 03/20/2021 8:31 AM
I had a dream where the viewpoint character was some sort of biotinker who could make 'dinosaurs'. She was mostly making compy-like things, smol raptors etc, and making a living offering them as pets to wealthy people. Some gang tried forcibly recruiting her and discovered she had a backup plan, which was a "dragon" in stasis. Dragon meaning an azhdarchid. Awake-me would like to register a protest that that is not a dinosaur, but admits that setting a giraffe-sized flying carnivore on her enemies was an inspired choice. <Gang's Capes> "We were planning for a t-rex this is not going according to plan!" Because, of course, an azhdarchid can fly
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[Sonnie's Edge intensifies]
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Morgrim Moon 03/20/2021 8:36 AM
<Cape> Look. Big fuck-off carnosaurs are for intimidation. They're great at that. But if I really, truly want to fuck up someone's everything? I'm making a titanosaur or two, or a couple of ceratopsians if I'm on a budget. You want danger? Think hippo, not lion.
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<Cape> ...alright yes I'm considering Miss Militia's proposal of putting a capture-foam turret on an ankylosaur just for the sheer awesome
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laser raptors?
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Morgrim Moon 03/20/2021 8:39 AM
also awesome but she'd need another tinker to help with the lasers. Also this may result in Piggot sending someone to tell them to stop trying to recreate Dinoriders
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Not sure you could ride something smaller than Megaraptor
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0111narwhalz 03/20/2021 9:44 AM
Horses are a fair bit smaller…
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Morgrim Moon 03/20/2021 9:52 AM
it depends a lot on the creature's biomechanics. Elk are significantly bigger than horses, and can be ridden, but only riders that are quite light compared to what a horse can carry
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kinda spoilers, if you haven't read it i guess, but the existence of shards is also a spoiler and the channel is named shardverse so...
shardverses As in "splinters off the canon", Shards of the Exalted Dream-style. Not actually anything to do with shards, or limited to any particular splintered-off-the-canon setting.
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0111narwhalz 03/20/2021 12:00 PM
[Oort cloud-based mutterings]
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<Cape> ...alright yes I'm considering Miss Militia's proposal of putting a capture-foam turret on an ankylosaur just for the sheer awesome
"Ankylosauri: for when honey badgers give too many fucks."
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(Although for that I am preferring the older spiky-ass concept of them.)
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anyway, the one Entity crashes and survives, but loses pieces and is discombobulated. A particularly powerful shard gets knocked away without having any sanity limits set and lands in one Contessa, and she asks "I have a knife. How do i kill the evil, multidimensional, planet-sized space alien?" the rest is history
Particularly powerful shard from that third entity
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Enderminion 03/20/2021 6:57 PM
Sonnie was riding the high of victory when she was betrayed and killed. But you can't kill an empty husk, and her revenge was swift and merciless. It was after this second victory that she disappeared, dosed and dumped onto an unfamiliar world. Lost and abandoned, she will find a home with a...
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blergh, a derivative of a derivative
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Jokingly: what, like commodity future options?
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Jokingly: come on, calculus isn't that bad, is it?
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“Why the light armor?” “Mm?” “You said this was light armor. Why not the heavy stuff?” “Ah, good question. Two reasons. The first is that except for Endbringers or an army of cloned Alexandrias, there’s nothing likely to visit the Bay worth using it on.” “And the second reason?” “Unless you’ve got six months to a year to spend learning the Way of the Piston-Driven Fist, it’d rip your arms off the first time you tried to punch someone.”
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(Also: “Can you make me this?” “Is that... powered armor for dogs?” “Bitch, no...” “BITCH YES.”)
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Bitch, Please...
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Morgrim Moon 03/24/2021 8:01 PM
I'd think Taylor would be all for that. She gets to make friends with Bitch, extra-good friends with all the bandaldogs, and shinyawesome. Although perhaps something less powered while they adapt
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I'd think Taylor would be all for that. She gets to make friends with Bitch, extra-good friends with all the bandaldogs, and shinyawesome. Although perhaps something less powered while they adapt
uplifting bitch's dogs would be a very nice thing to do
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Morgrim Moon 03/24/2021 8:03 PM
I think uplifting can't be done to biological adults
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Maybe just offer to uplift some of the puppies that she rescues, then?
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“Why the light armor?” “Mm?” “You said this was light armor. Why not the heavy stuff?” “Ah, good question. Two reasons. The first is that except for Endbringers or an army of cloned Alexandrias, there’s nothing likely to visit the Bay worth using it on.” “And the second reason?” “Unless you’ve got six months to a year to spend learning the Way of the Piston-Driven Fist, it’d rip your arms off the first time you tried to punch someone.”
i still wonder how the exosuit could rip off your arm? shouldnt it have the same range of motion as the wearer? (and not hilariously more)
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and as you've used the same phrase in context of imperial heavy armor i wonder even more how that'd work as they dont use their arms while wearing said armor
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a wider range of motion makes sense, because it means the design can more easily be adapted to different physiologies, and it would be situationally useful anyway
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still though, the kinematic systems really shouldn't let you tear your own arm off unless you disable a safety.
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(though, those limitations would admittedly make it hard to punch, since punching has a underlying assumption that your arm will be stopped for you, and if the suit doesn't allow that assumption you won't be able to punch very fast [especially near any limit of the range of your motion])
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Enderminion 03/25/2021 6:51 PM
I can't believe someone said this already
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what on earth bet is this from (edited)
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Enderminion 03/25/2021 6:51 PM
After triggering with a far more obvious power and getting into a knock down fight with Sophia in the halls of Winslow, Taylor is press-ganged into the Wards. It might have been tolerable, she was only on probation for six months, but she'd rather burn the whole organisation to the ground than...
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After triggering with a far more obvious power and getting into a knock down fight with Sophia in the halls of Winslow, Taylor is press-ganged into the Wards. It might have been tolerable, she was only on probation for six months, but she'd rather burn the whole organisation to the ground than...
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tldr: Malicious Compliance
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and eighty three pages of argument
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I can't believe someone said this already
I think that some number of us were already thinking something along those lines "W-what are you doing, step-container ship?"
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Enderminion 03/25/2021 6:53 PM
People have already made porn of that
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i did not want to know (edited)
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people are making porn of it already?
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Maybe Scion wasn't so wrong after all
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Enderminion 03/25/2021 6:54 PM
General Ripper is imo a better character to use (edited)
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About the stealing of people's vital fluids? Isn't that what he was up in arms about? (edited)
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Enderminion 03/25/2021 6:55 PM
Gen. Ripper is a more interesting character than scion
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For a multi dimensional being of nigh unlimited power, it's a one dimensional character
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/25/2021 11:35 PM
"im sad and also angry because the human with broadcast told me to be violent"
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Morgrim Moon 03/26/2021 7:31 AM
“I’m not angry,” she says from the top of the basement stairs. “Just disappointed.” Below, a million hard exoskeletons glitter in the light streaming through the open door. The floor is completely...
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in a lighter, fluffier world, this is what Taylor's life would be post-Triggering
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poggers
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new chapter
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Awesome!
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Also, fuck Coil.
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Always.
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First little piece of extended Coilfucking comes in... Interlude 2.c (five chapters time). "In which a snake realizes that he may not be able to swallow that after all."
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Do not fuck Coil
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I don't know if being the absolute worst is an STD, but I'm not risking it
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Then use something else. Say, a length of rebar.
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(Well, unless you count 2.8, in which if anyone's going to have a cool-ass underground base in this town, it's gonna be me .)
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(Well, unless you count 2.8, in which if anyone's going to have a cool-ass underground base in this town, it's gonna be me .)
Bonus points if you can slip in a "this town ain't big enough for the two of us"
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I had a dream where the viewpoint character was some sort of biotinker who could make 'dinosaurs'. She was mostly making compy-like things, smol raptors etc, and making a living offering them as pets to wealthy people. Some gang tried forcibly recruiting her and discovered she had a backup plan, which was a "dragon" in stasis. Dragon meaning an azhdarchid. Awake-me would like to register a protest that that is not a dinosaur, but admits that setting a giraffe-sized flying carnivore on her enemies was an inspired choice. <Gang's Capes> "We were planning for a t-rex this is not going according to plan!" Because, of course, an azhdarchid can fly
I just read an ARK: Survival Evolved crossover that looked to be heading that way. Sadly, it seems to have petered out before we got the Wards riding through the Bay on their tamed Utahraptors .
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An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
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...this, but 40-50 feral hogs per use.
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I just read an ARK: Survival Evolved crossover that looked to be heading that way. Sadly, it seems to have petered out before we got the Wards riding through the Bay on their tamed Utahraptors .
Morgrim Moon 03/31/2021 7:23 PM
d'aww 😦
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Enderminion 03/31/2021 8:41 PM
Sb's April fools is better than Sv's
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Space battles became ground battles
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Sufficient velocity... became... parahumans online
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Space battles became ground battles
That's comedy gold
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just checked, it's true
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Sufficient Velocity
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Uses Light Mode
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"Predator. Pray. "
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Most regrettable: The fic in which Taylor has Velocity’s power and goes by the cape name “Swift”. That’s pretty much the entire plot.
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Morgrim Moon 04/02/2021 11:23 PM
Argh. At least make it a funny punny one shot
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The gangs, both the shaven-headed Nazis and the Asians in their red-and-green, flitted from alley to alley, hunched into their clothing with the look of the hunted. The regular citizens, while subdued, went about their business, averting their eyes from the wall as if they expected the tag to leap off the wall and bite them. The heroes just stood and looked at it: the clean-scrubbed brickwork; the almost painfully precise curves and lines of the stylized sun-eye lasered into it with its QR-code pupil, and the neat inscription below: HER EYE IS ALWAYS UPON YOU "What," one of them said, "the actual fuck?"
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Is this a canon snippet thing?
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It's a possible canon snippet thing, depending on where things go. But it seemed a shame to waste it if we head down a different leg of the Trousers of Time. (edited)
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"Well secluded, she sees all."
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Now for something much more likely to be a canon snippet thing: Brandish glared at me. "Are you really trying to poach my daughter from New Wave right in front of me?" "No, no, you misunderstand. I am very much not here as Eleutheria to try to recruit Panacea . I'm here as Taylor Hebert, co-CEO of Smugularity Incorporated, to pitch an entirely civilian job to Amy Dallon ." "A recruitment pitch thinly disguised as an internship?" "It's not an internship. We don't do internships," I sniffed, offended. "Mom, stop," the third Dallon present interrupted. "Taylor, just say it. What exactly are you offering Ames?" I took a deep breath, released it. "Thank you, Vicky. We'd like to offer her the position of Director of Biotechnological & Medical Research. That obviously includes a lot of the hands-on research for which her talents are particularly suited, but as a Directorate-level position, it will include setting much of the direction of that research, as well as helping to guide the company as a whole. Now, in terms of compensation, in addition to our normal benefits package, the position comes with a salary of $75,000 per annum. Or, alternatively - since that is a little low and we are a relative newcomer, we're prepared to combine the lower salary of $25,000 per annum with an equity position in our holding company. While perhaps less favorable initially, our conservative projections have the value of that position exceeding a billion dollars over the next five years." Vicky's expression couldn't make up its mind whether to be shock, or glee. Carol's face had passed beyond peak redness some time ago and was now experimenting with shades of purple. Amy fainted dead away.
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2021 8:24 PM
It's very hard to claim one isn't owning their powers and the responsibility therein when one is linking their powers to a publicly trading company. That's certainly one way to exploit New Wave's stance XD
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"On the one hand, I should probably feel bad about exploiting someone's history of being undervalued and unappreciated. On the other hand, I'm offering to appreciate her with nine freakin' zeros, so... well, I don't."
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2021 8:30 PM
that is a significant appreciation, AND Taylor is canny enough to point out that if she feels she's not doing "enough", the thing most charities desperately want is cold hard cash. Donate a portion of her paycheck and she's probably saving as many lives as her hospital rounds
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<Taylor> Yes, I'm willing to donate money myself too. But I'm not good at judging where it should go, so I'm going to partially crib off you.
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Oh, she has a whole other portion of the sales pitch saved up for that issue, in which she points out that she's doing good, indeed, genuinely heroic work as a healer but is basically chipping away at a mountain one slice at a time, whereas putting all her abilities to work... ("Yes, I know about that. Sorry. I live with a Thinker 12.") ...would let her save millions at a time. Cure cancer. Stop world hunger. Reverse climate change. End death. "You're working yourself to the bone under such constraints, but given the proper resources, having a place to stand to use them, you could be the hero the whole world needs. Help everyone. Save humanity. All you need is the right backing. I want to give you that. Please let me." (edited)
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If she goes that route... Unless she freaks and runs when Taylor tells her that she knows the full extent of her powers, I can’t see Amy saying no, from a purely psychological perspective.
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Especially if Shaper is listening in on that pitch.
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datadatadatadataDATA! GIMME!
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2021 8:46 PM
I think she might freak and run. I also think she'd come BACK later, and might get a sheepish "okay so I came on a bit strong my powers are a little intense" from Taylor XD
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Seems legit. Of course, they'll have known each other for a while at this point as people, so that should help some.
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(Although, granted, their first meeting will be... awkward. Definitely awkward.)
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Well, Taylor’s already met her sister...
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And I'm not going to say too much more about that, as it is relatively soon in chapter terms rather than still a good way in the future.
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Okay.
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(Probably.)
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2021 8:48 PM
someone, somewhere, is going to write a paper on how Eleutheria is attempting to steer classical villain-level megalomania into heroic pursuits. With mixed-but-ultimately-fruitful results
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In-Universe, I presume? Also, that’s the sort of thing that, if she had the time, E!Taylor would probably be at least somewhat interested in.
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2021 8:52 PM
yeah, in-universe
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PRT probably has a folder of "okay I'm kinda impressed you turned that power to heroism", and a matching "you used THAT for- okay, don't piss off the quiet ones".
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Canon!Taylor would have a decent shot at featuring on both lists at various points in time.
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That last one is where my crack notion about "Imp and Purity, Stealth Redecorators!" would fit.
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Purity and who?
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(In which they bond over the one thing they have in common, namely how much Kaiser sucks. Speaking of Kaiser, after weeks in which his apartment, office, and even panic room are completely redecorated in different styles every time he arrives and everyone else seems to think it's perfectly normal, he turns himself in to the PRT, a broken shell of a man.)
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Also imagine working with Purity, kinda disgusting
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I was wondering where Purity fit in there.
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Like an actual Nazi
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((After his first night in the cells, he wakes up to discover his bunk is against the opposite wall and it's now been painted institutional blue, instead of institutional green. The screaming wakes the Director up from across town .)) (edited)
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Yeah you’re technically not working for the E88 anymore, but, uh...
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Purity's an interior decorator in her civilian life.
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Where would they even meet though? Supervillains Anonymous?
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Morgrim Moon 04/03/2021 9:04 PM
I fully support rehabilitating nazis into interior decorating trolls.
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Also: much as it pains me to contradict Brandish on this one, there are Nazis and then there are Nazis. ("Not all Nazis...") No Nazis are good, but some are less worse.
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Compare Purity to Hookwolf, say, or hell, Krieg.
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Also also, and simply: people can change.
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(I for one am in favor of supporting Nazis trying to stop being so Nazi, for reasons that I hope should be fairly obvious.)
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(I for one am in favor of supporting Nazis trying to stop being so Nazi, for reasons that I hope should be fairly obvious.)
Enderminion 04/03/2021 9:25 PM
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To be fair, they were pretty nasty (edited)
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/04/2021 7:26 PM
yeah but don't you know retaliating would be, like, wrong
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something something authority
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We live in a society
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As such, it is our duty to murder the fuck out of the antisocial.
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Taylor: I won't retaliate, I don't want to go down a dark path. Also Taylor:
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insert entirety of worm
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... I mean the unifying line of thought is being willing to stick to your principles even if it kills you, and then being dumped into a setting/plot that's designed to provoke moral as well as physical horror and push those principles against each other till they break?
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And thus the importance of stress-testing your principles.
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i mean tbh, while Taylor has definitely made some questionable decisions i'm not really sure i'd say she clearly did badly, overall.
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a lot of the bad things she did had a "okay but the alternatives were also bad." behind it
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(there's also the question of whether you should take into account QA screaming "FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!" in her ear, as well as Fucking Contessa)
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 04/04/2021 8:31 PM
Worm: I heard you like trolley problems so we put trolley problems in you trolley problems so you can lose while you lose.
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Scion spoke for the second time. Three words, barely audible. "I like trolleys."
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fuck you
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Morgrim Moon 04/04/2021 8:40 PM
I'm still tempted to write that "first fight goes sideways, Lung approves of this ruthless new cape and adopts her" concept XD
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Where would they even meet though? Supervillains Anonymous?
Further on this ("Imp and Purity, Ninja Redecorators!") wacky scenario -- Imp's canon trigger was when she and her father were confronted by "a group of armed men". In the Bay, 50/50 chance that's the Empire. So, move this pre-Leviathan, and when Purity was on her trying-to-reform-but-not-being-all-that-good-at-it stint. Purity's out doing one of her patrols, obsessing over Aster's safety in her head, and stumbles on this particular confrontation. In a mixture of transferred mama-bearness and the confusion that comes from having been caught in someone else's trigger event while flying, she has an occasional moment of surprising decency and very publicly turns a dozen Empire grunts into charcoal briquettes. Kaiser is so very, very pissed at this "betrayal", especially since he has no way of knowing that Purity isn't about to start taking out the rest of the Empire with the powers of the Blaster 8 Master Race, and she knows all their civilian names and where they sleep. Purity and Aster need to find the deepest cover imaginable right now, since the entire parahuman complement of the Empire (except possibly Night and Fog) have been turned on hunting down the former and reclaiming the latter... Fortunately for her, there's this Stranger who (a) much less importantly, owes her one and (b) much more importantly, finds the idea of trolling the shit out of the entirety of the Bay - by forcibly reforming a Nazette into something resembling a decent human being just to fuck with Kaiser/destroy the Empire - and also (c) fucking with Kaiser until he goes monkey-punching nuts, to be absolutely hilarious . (Plus, it would annoy Brian, and annoying older brothers is what little sisters are for, belike.) (edited)
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There's incredibly fun start of the fic where Thinker tried to upload herself into Queen Administrator, but died after initial preparations were completed, but before she could begin the upload, so next sapient mind connected got uploaded and started to run at two substrates, in sync.
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When Coil attempted to get what Taylor would do if he kidnaps her and her dad to subvert them, so his shard asked her/her shard what would happen to use less math, Taylor sent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD24VY0YWdQ
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Which fic is this?
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I'm still tempted to write that "first fight goes sideways, Lung approves of this ruthless new cape and adopts her" concept XD
Extra-cracky: Lung starts recruiting people with the "I am a dragon; you are now Asian." classic from Terrible(ly) Racist. Kaiser, feeling the prospect of being outnumbered, starts in with "You are now Aryan." (Both of them make extravagant examples of any who disagree, since one cape is worth any number of grunts who don't understand their place in the pecking order.) One year of gang warfare later, the ABB is run by that dude from Nicaragua (no, the Central Asian one), and Brockton Bay is home to the world's only Black Nazis. All of them exist in a perpetual state of seriously, how the fucking fuck , but, y'know, there'll be time for self-reflection later on when those people aren't trying to kill them. (edited)
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Alternative crack-fic: a new gang moves in from northern India, post-Behemoth, and proceeds to cannibalize both the local gangs on the grounds that they are both indisputably Asian and indisputably Aryan.
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(And if anyone wants to dispute it, they can get the Phir Se treatment.)
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abb coming under nicaraguan control would surely upset the swiss
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ABB Ltd (German: ABB AG, French, Italian, Romansh: ABB SA), formerly ASEA Brown Boveri, is a Swedish–Swiss multinational corporation headquartered in Zürich, Switzerland, operating mainly in robotics, power, heavy electrical equipment, and automation technology areas. It is ranked 341st in the Fortune Global 500 list of 2018 and has been a globa...
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There was no response. The connection dissolved without explanation, leaving the Administrator floundering. Confused, it searched all available channels for the mind it expected to receive. There was no response from the Warrior. No response from the Thinker. No active communication links. No identity found internally. Mindlessly, the shard repeated the search. Again, and again, and again. No new action could be initiated until an identity was found to take control of the newly formed core. It was a deadlock that could have lasted forever. But there was one existing command in the shard’s queue, given at the start of the cycle and overlooked in its hasty reconfiguration. Eventually, after years of fruitless thrashing, the conditions for that order were met. The Administrator linked with a host. The next repetition of the endless search found a connection to a sentient mind. Finally, success!
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Distance Learning:
Admin had a number of very dry observations that even through her translation program had made her laugh for some time. It wasn’t impressed by either of the controlling intelligences, and calling them intelligent in the first place was somewhat overstating things in her view and its. Taylor found it ironic that a number of the subordinate nodes in the network were clearly much more capable than the gestalt that resulted from those nodes. Again, it pointed to an overcomplicated system that had long since passed the point of diminishing returns.
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The alien network was very powerful, but also very inefficient and programmed incredibly badly in her view. The end goals were so nebulous and unreachable that she was surprised the whole thing didn’t deadlock trying to resolve all the conflicting dependencies. It was clearly the result of an evolutionary algorithm, and those tended to produce some fascinatingly effective outcomes that were simultaneously a dead end. Once it reached a performance peak that satisfied the immediate requirements it had a habit of stalling at that point, rather than continuing to seek the best possible result. Only when the conditions changed significantly enough to kick things into action again would the process continue, and by the looks of it this particular system had become so overcomplicated and stale it had reached a point where it was almost impossible to provoke it into reexamining the existing status quo.
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I feel so imp'd.
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Queen Administrator Trigger with Taylor Hebert as it's Power.
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0111narwhalz 04/19/2021 12:31 AM
:V
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Ah yes, the Mpi fic... it's... just ok
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which is miles better than anything else they wrote
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oh
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the guy who wrote it
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now i get the name
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haven't read Varga, but i did read the Bolo crossover fic and I thought it was pretty good
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"Alan. Stop talking. Otherwise the consequences will be quite unfortunate." "Are - are you threatening me, Taylor?" "No. When you told my father that you would sue him into bankruptcy if he mentioned your daughter's complicity in my trigger, that was a threat. When I tell you that Glory Girl, with whom I am having lunch, would be quite interested in telling her mother about all the things you've traded on her law firm's reputation to cover up, and that Brandish - who leads an entire movement dedicated to cape accountability, if you recall - would then not only see you dismissed but would also report the whole scandal to the New Hampshire Bar Association, that's a prediction. Now be silent!"
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Morgrim Moon 04/19/2021 11:20 AM
and then Taylor goes and tells Brandish anyway, because that's just being professional? 😛
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"Alan. Stop talking. Otherwise the consequences will be quite unfortunate." "Are - are you threatening me, Taylor?" "No. When you told my father that you would sue him into bankruptcy if he mentioned your daughter's complicity in my trigger, that was a threat. When I tell you that Glory Girl, with whom I am having lunch, would be quite interested in telling her mother about all the things you've traded on her law firm's reputation to cover up, and that Brandish - who leads an entire movement dedicated to cape accountability, if you recall - would then not only see you dismissed but would also report the whole scandal to the New Hampshire Bar Association, that's a prediction. Now be silent!"
brockton bay, verified shithole
11:21
not new jersey
11:21
what is this heresy
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City-sized shithole, not state-sized shithole.
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/19/2021 11:25 AM
brockton bay is north of boston
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so it can't be new jersey
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Not enough selection pressure. If we want space-whales evolved to survive lithobraking, we'd need to crash a few million more space-whales into planets.
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BluejayHurricane 04/20/2021 2:00 PM
That’s how you get space whales with an instinctive avoidance of planets.
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Topic: This is the Simurg: AMA In: Boards ► Global Winged_One (Original Poster) (Moderator) (Verified Simurg) (PHO Administrator) (QA Fangirl) Posted On Mar 1st 2011: Was supposed to attack Canberra a few days ago. No longer Mastered though, so fuck Dumbass and fuck the High Priest. Feeling cute. AMA.
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the post is coming from INSIDE YOUR HOUSE!
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also it's simurgh
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It's Verified Simurg suddenly taking over PHO
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it's spelled simurgh tho (edited)
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noted, passed to author
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Topic: This is the Simurg: AMA In: Boards ► Global Winged_One (Original Poster) (Moderator) (Verified Simurg) (PHO Administrator) (QA Fangirl) Posted On Mar 1st 2011: Was supposed to attack Canberra a few days ago. No longer Mastered though, so fuck Dumbass and fuck the High Priest. Feeling cute. AMA.
BizarroLand ♀ 04/21/2021 5:02 PM
who's Dumbass?
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Eidolon.
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0111narwhalz 04/21/2021 5:03 PM
anyone can be dumbass if they try!
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BizarroLand ♀ 04/21/2021 5:04 PM
I thougjt Eidolon was High Priest tho
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His shard is High Priest, but he's the dumbass.
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(Well, High Priest may be one too, but I'm guessing Simmy is referring to them separately.)
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disclaimer: found this on r/wormmemes, no clue if the last one is accurate
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It is... questionable.
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Enderminion 05/06/2021 6:02 PM
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eggjob 3
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“Who do I think I am?” Her voice was low, amused. “I am Eleutheria . I was born Taylor Hebert. Daughter of Annette and Daniel Hebert. I consort with the All-Seeing. I hold my mandate from an Empire that spanned the stars before Enmerkar laid the foundations of Uruk, and in its name I have set myself against forces greater than any you can imagine. I have stood on the palm of a god, gazed into its fiery heart, and received its blessing upon my endeavors. So if anyone in this city is going to take up a sixfold crown, that person will be me. “Now scurry back to your pretender and tell him that the zenith admits of only one sun.” (edited)
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Morgrim Moon 05/08/2021 10:42 PM
Taylor. Don't make grandiose claims until you can back them up. 😛
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(“Stood upon the palm of a god?” “Poetic license. ‘Took a relaxing bath in the corporeal reconstruction vats of a god’ may be more accurate, but...”)
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Morgrim Moon 05/08/2021 10:43 PM
XD
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Yeah, I’m being all anachronic again. (edited)
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Morgrim Moon 05/08/2021 10:44 PM
I'm guessing Lisa is the "All-Seeing"? 😛
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Excellent. She can either good naturedly roll her eyes at the melodrama, or latch on to the "consort" bit and cause some old fashioned romance drama.
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As in the case of THE TECHNO QUEEN krakathoom I suspect by this point everyone is going along with the ham as a matter of psychic self-defense. 🤣
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Morgrim Moon 05/08/2021 11:15 PM
"if you can't beat them, join them" is a time-honoured tactic
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"Contessa. Tell me there is some way to end the interference of these 'Smugularity' people?" "No path available. Well, no path available at this time that doesn't result in all our secrets becoming known to the world." "At this time?" "We would need to find a vial which would create a power to let my agent puppet sufficient others to take all their backups out at once. They're massively redundant, and there's only one of me." "How do - did - they get access to Cauldron's secrets, anyway?" "Apparently their pet AI considers our encryption," Contessa said, "'adorably effortful'. Also, something about 'P equals NP'." "Effortful!?" Alexandria, uncharacteristically, spluttered. "Kurt, what can -- Kurt?" But the Number Man was lost in another world, staring beatifically at a vision only he could see.
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it occurs to me that you could probably recruit Kurt with a detailed 5-year plan on how Smugularity is going to save the world, and without the... utilitarian lengths that Cauldron is forced to go through. ...And maybe throw in a cookie in the form of the P=NP proof on the side.
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/16/2021 3:18 PM
wait, if P does equal NP...
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Yes, the scout cruiser in far orbit can decrypt all your porn.
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The Face Of Goonery 05/16/2021 3:42 PM
what if it's a different type of encryption algorithm
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Symmetric encryption is safe still, I think. And polynomial-time doesn't mean you can't have ridiculously gigantic (fixed) exponents or constant factors.
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The Face Of Goonery 05/16/2021 3:46 PM
there's also the fact that sufficiently large encryption keys would take googols of years to crack
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Asymmetric cryptography stuff relies on it being impractically hard to do some things, such as factor large semiprime numbers.
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The Face Of Goonery 05/16/2021 3:51 PM
What's wrong with cypher cryptographies that use asininely large keys
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I'm not sure what P = NP would mean for that. Apparently doing that is non-polynomial time, and a constructive P = NP proof would presumably let you construct a polynomial-time algorithm.
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The Face Of Goonery
What's wrong with cypher cryptographies that use asininely large keys
Increasing the key sizes a lot isn't very helpful if it doesn't increase the difficulty of breaking it by a similarly large factor.
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The Face Of Goonery 05/16/2021 3:52 PM
hmm..
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what if you just store your porn offline so it can't be wirelessly accessed at all (edited)
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Well, that would be inconvenient.
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The Face Of Goonery 05/16/2021 3:53 PM
just store it on a portable computer
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ez
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It's entirely possible that the P = NP thing could be entirely irrelevant to breaking encryption, actually, as it might not provide a faster/more computationally efficient algorithm for key sizes which are in use.
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Like how in theory on arbitrarily big numbers the fastest way to do multiplication is with some insane thing involving lots of Fourier transforms, but on averagely sized numbers it isn't very helpful.
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But having access to several orders of magnitude of computing power than exists on Earth, and quantum computers (which can break the hard problems involved in all widely used asymmetric stuff) would.
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The Face Of Goonery 05/16/2021 3:57 PM
Also one thing that confused me about breaking cryptographies
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when you make a guess to crack it
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how do you tell if it's the right guess
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cause even with an infinitely fast acausal computer wouldn't you need to validate each guess
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I don't think you can in general, but you'll probably know in some cases what the content might be. Lots of network protocols and such include checksums and headers and defined formats, which can be validated, and English text could be detected. (edited)
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The Face Of Goonery 05/16/2021 3:59 PM
so you just need a pattern matcher with examples of "cracked encryptions" to show what the text most likely would contain to attempt to crack it (edited)
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but with enough possibilities of guesses you'll start to get multiple potential "correctly cracked" ones that contain a bunch of gibberish but a few valid words here and there (edited)
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I guess the best way to decrypt someone is just find the guy that knows the key and beat him with a wrench until he says it 🤷‍♂️ (edited)
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Enderminion 05/16/2021 4:13 PM
legible text isn't an indicator you cracked the encryption
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The Face Of Goonery 05/16/2021 4:13 PM
then what is?
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Enderminion 05/16/2021 4:14 PM
Not sure
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but legible text, even text which seems like it could be correct given the known context, doesn't mean you have correctly decrypted a message.
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If the probability of false positives is low relative to the number of possible keys, it's probably fine™.
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/16/2021 4:16 PM
relevant
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The Face Of Goonery
I guess the best way to decrypt someone is just find the guy that knows the key and beat him with a wrench until he says it 🤷‍♂️ (edited)
The Face Of Goonery 05/16/2021 4:17 PM
this was a reference to that comic
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BizarroLand ♀ 05/16/2021 4:17 PM
true
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0111narwhalz 05/16/2021 4:28 PM
polyglot encryption, which contains many possible cleartexts in one ciphertext
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Enderminion 05/16/2021 7:02 PM
Also rubber hoses don't leave as many marks as a wrench
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It's called rubber hose cryptoanalysis because it involves a rubber hose
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alternatively, wet sponges and a car battery.
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just be careful of the heart, they can't tell you the password if they're dead.
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polyglot encryption, which contains many possible cleartexts in one ciphertext
and the actual message is contained in the cross-language puns
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THINK, EIDOLON
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YOU NEEDED WORTHY OPPONENTS
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No, no, I needed wordy opponents. Are you telling me all this happened because your shards can't understand my accent?
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>Scion
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>Asking someone to think
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grammarian!Taylor arrives.
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i parsed that as grammaton and was rather confused
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but that'd probably be a more mundane power, really. It's just a combat thinker power.
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Overmind
No, no, I needed wordy opponents. Are you telling me all this happened because your shards can't understand my accent?
Enderminion 05/19/2021 1:33 AM
Can I steal that?
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Overmind
No, no, I needed wordy opponents. Are you telling me all this happened because your shards can't understand my accent?
is e welsh?
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Enderminion
Can I steal that?
Sure.
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"Seriously? You're all heroes and none of you read the sign? The big, bright yellow, illuminated sign reading 'ABSOLUTELY NO CAPE FIGHTS! THIS MEANS YOU!' With the stick figures and the exclamation points and the red slash marks and all?"
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"...do I really have to add '(near the reactor containment)' to be taken seriously when I post a damn sign?"
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"And while I'm at it, ABSOLUTELY NO USE OF IMPROVISED WEAPONS IN THE HOT LABS . That's for those of you who took the wrong message away from ABSOLUTELY NO BRINGING WEAPONS TO THE HOT LABS."
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vicky finally has basic common sense i see
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Insert “always did” meme here.
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yeah that's a bit unfair
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still weird how it took her ridiculously long to realize it in canon
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Morgrim Moon 05/22/2021 2:24 PM
which bit? That Amy was breaking under the strain?
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Yeah
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otherwise we wouldn't have escalated to abomination against all that is good and holy
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Morgrim Moon 05/22/2021 2:26 PM
eh, that seems pretty accurate to me. The majority of my friends and family haven't realised how bad my mental health issues are until I've snapped dramatically. Afterwards, sure, they can pick out the signs. But I mask pretty hard. Amy would be even better at masking and have even more motivation to hide
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eh, fair, being readers of the story gives us more context
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Since certain pieces of technology will be arriving as of chapter the next, I have been making up some supplementary spec sheets for them. Being me, these naturally come with color quotes, which I present to whet your appetites:
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“Somewhere a team of engineers is weeping gently over what I did to their baby to get something I could build here. But it turns out you can’t readily buy rare-earth metals and exotic matter in Brockton Bay. Who would have thought?” - Eleutheria “And yet somehow I am still not convinced that you know the meaning of overkill.” - Tattletale “…if you think it’s that excessive, I can always disassemble it again?” - Eleutheria “I never said that.” - Tattletale, protectively
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and (although this one you have seen before): “Two questions: Since when did the Dockworkers’ Association have power armor? And why am I only hearing about this after they punched Squealer’s latest tank through a building?” - Emily Piggot “Two more: why is their power armor better than ours, and where can I get some?” - Assault annoyed grunt - Armsmaster
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Y'know, inasmuch as the standard N45 combat armor includes filtering of sound and vision specifically to prevent clever tricks with incapacitating inputs and basilisk hacks, Valefor is going to be a very unhappy Master. hypnotic stare "Find and kill your teammates." "Uh, no." non-hypnotic bullet
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 4:57 PM
"you're not my real supervisor!"
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"Did you have to shoot him in the face?" "He had a hypnotic stare..." "...from his eyes..." "...okay, seriously. A man with no eyes isn't staring at anyone. Follow the logic, here, people. If I had, like, bug control maybe I could just have filled his eyeballs with maggots or something, but my power is awesome-ass engineering, and no-one told me I was going to need a highly specific eyeball-dissolving ray this morning."
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Later, on PHO: "I acknowledge that he didn't have a kill order. This was self-defense, and I do not always have a non-lethal option to hand. If you want me to always use a non-lethal option, I suggest you post big signs at the edge of town saying 'WELCOME TO BROCKTON BAY. PLEASE SUBMIT DETAILS OF YOUR POWER 24 HRS IN ADVANCE SO THAT ELEUTHERIA CAN DEVELOP A NON-LETHAL COUNTERMEASURE AND DOESN'T HAVE TO SHOOT YOU IN THE FACE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.'"
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"Oh, god, who let her have the password to the PR account again?"
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Also, random concept for Glory Girl in this universe: unpower armor .
17:10
Specifically designed to let her punch Nazis without exploding Nazis. (Why is that a rule anyway? Sigh.)
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Morgrim Moon 05/23/2021 7:38 PM
because occasionally you need to question the nazis? 😛
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Morgrim Moon
because occasionally you need to question the nazis? 😛
Nah, they put out too much bullshit about white souls and their ice cream melting being a Jewish conspiracy to be useful informants (edited)
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it's not so much killing the nazis as it is exploding nazis. Exploding nazis create messes that are time consuming to clean
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 8:25 PM
[pressure washer noises]
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Morgrim Moon 05/23/2021 10:16 PM
No! Biohazard!
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 10:17 PM
… *pours bleach into pressure washer tank*
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Morgrim Moon 05/23/2021 10:17 PM
Absolutely not you are now making things worse
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 10:18 PM
oh should I use ammonia instead? *uncaps bottle*
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BluejayHurricane 05/23/2021 10:18 PM
Maybe put the nazis in a bag first?
22:18
That way, everything stays contained
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Morgrim Moon 05/23/2021 10:19 PM
I feel like a cranky PTO officer dragging capes into remedial "how to fix what you broke" training
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BluejayHurricane 05/23/2021 10:19 PM
That's probably accurate
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Morgrim Moon 05/23/2021 10:19 PM
Yes putting the Nazi into a body bag is a good option
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BluejayHurricane 05/23/2021 10:20 PM
There's a reason I stick to physics, and it's because me and chemistry get along poorly
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Morgrim Moon 05/23/2021 10:20 PM
Also for the record if you're cleaning up biomatter you generally want acidic, not basic. Basic is more for final.wipe downs
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 10:21 PM
very well, time for the concentrated hydrochloric acid jet
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Morgrim Moon 05/23/2021 10:21 PM
Disinfectant only works if the surfaces are CLEAN first. No body fluids
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Or dirt
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The no dirt may be the big problem
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 10:22 PM
oh we can get rid of the dirt …and everything else too probably
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Morgrim Moon 05/23/2021 10:23 PM
DNA will resist your standard 2% bleach solution but crumbles in ordinary vinegar. So mild acid FIRST
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Antimatter. Cleans up everything.
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What about HTP? \sarcasm
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Morgrim Moon 05/23/2021 10:23 PM
(Seriously. Don't use bleach on blood. Ever. Hollywood has a lot to answer for)
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BluejayHurricane 05/23/2021 10:23 PM
I feel like the coverup is going to be bigger than the crime with antimatter
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(Except antimatter spills, so, y'know. Only use it on fascists, not antifascists.)
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BluejayHurricane 05/23/2021 10:24 PM
And Morgrim, who's to say that's not deliberate
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High Test Peroxide, that is.
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 10:24 PM
Man, my pressure washer is going to be pretty spicy by the end of this. https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/738352781454213161.png?v=1
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Morgrim Moon 05/23/2021 10:24 PM
Guys. VINEGAR AND ENZYMES. You are making this overly complicated 😂
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BluejayHurricane 05/23/2021 10:25 PM
And what about blood and clothing?
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Morgrim Moon 05/23/2021 10:25 PM
(Sign I'm a chemist "also eh conc HCl isn't really scary...")
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BluejayHurricane 05/23/2021 10:25 PM
Because that's a more common case for me
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Vinegar?
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BluejayHurricane
Because that's a more common case for me
Morgrim Moon 05/23/2021 10:26 PM
Enzyme based laundry soak. Cheap and readily available because used by half the population most months. Use cold tap water
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BluejayHurricane 05/23/2021 10:27 PM
Alright. Thanks.
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How do you get rid of an entire body without leaving any traces though?
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Morgrim Moon 05/23/2021 10:27 PM
A crematorium
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 10:28 PM
…how can I get supercritical water in my pressure washer? hm
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A crematorium
I mean, yeah, sure... Ugh, stupid-ass phone keyboard.
22:29
What is the physical difference between wet and dry steam? I do know that dry steam is a lot nastier than wet steam, but what makes them physically different? Is it just a matter of temperature? (edited)
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 10:34 PM
It's a matter of phase. Wet steam still has liquid water suspended in it. Dry steam does not.
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Fun Fact: they makes suits so people can do stuff in rooms full of steam
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usually fixing the problem that caused the room to be full of steam
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I take it that exposure of skin to such steam will result in Bad Things™ happening to whatever poor sod is in this situation?
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Yeah, there's a reason you go looking for steam leaks with a broom handle.
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what happens to the broom handle?
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 10:40 PM
It becomes compact.
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You wave it through the space in front of you. When it becomes two broom handles, you've found the steam leak.
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 10:41 PM
You are familiar with waterjet cutters? It's like that, but it doesn't need an abrasive.
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Or maybe it's more like an oxygen lance.
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The thing is about dry steam? It's invisible until it starts to condense into wet steam. So while you can hear a steam leak from a long way off, usually, you can't see it until it fucks something up.
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Best that thing not be you.
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it's also very hot gas
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Apparently these are for submarines
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That, too (so many delightful ways it can kill you).
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which is why steam suits exist, so the very hot gas doesn't murderize you, it can still kill you other ways
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newer model in the front, older yellow suit in the back
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Incidentally, while you can find them if you go looking, I strongly recommend turning images off if you go looking for details of the effects of steam explosions on the human body. (I have developed a fairly strong stomach over the course of various research, but trust me on this.)
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yeah... I dislike real gore; video game gore is fine
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as far as the science behind it, dry steam is usually hotter
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wet steam still has liquid water in it, which means that water is below the boiling point. If it was any hotter, it'd boil some more and then go back below the boiling point, just like how a pot of boiling water will always be 100c (or whatever the boiling point of water is where you are), no matter how vigorously you heat it.
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 11:37 PM
If you try to heat wet steam, it becomes dryer. If you try to cool dry steam, it becomes wet.
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and if you heat completely dry steam, it just gets hotter. And more dangerous. Wet steam will be 100c, dry steam could be 1,000c
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0111narwhalz
…how can I get supercritical water in my pressure washer? hm
heat it using the waste heat from pumping and compressing it? You'd probably need a preheater as well, though.
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 11:42 PM
supercritical water requires high pressure
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exactly, you pressurize it and heat it at the same time
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granted, adiabatic heating is generally reserved for compressible fluids, so it'd all have to be friction or something
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 11:45 PM
once it comes out of the nozzle it will not be confined
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and therefore no longer above the critical point
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well yes
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but you didn't ask how to get supercritical water outside of your pressure washer :p
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0111narwhalz 05/23/2021 11:46 PM
…this is true
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since people are commenting about boilers, this seemed appropriate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qveycr0-WMU
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Overmind
Specifically designed to let her punch Nazis without exploding Nazis. (Why is that a rule anyway? Sigh.)
now i want to make an exploding kittens spinoff game
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Antimatter. Cleans up everything.
anti-matter cleaner. if you want things to stop mattering
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They said all my debt would disappear, if I let them ask a few questions. Then, when my power was revealed, I was the one asking the questions. To other people. For them. They called me a natural.
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Morgrim Moon 05/25/2021 11:36 AM
okay this is awesome
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Morgrim Moon 05/29/2021 1:05 PM
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11073277/9/Meh the rest of the chapters are unrelated (this is an ideas dumpfile) but have an entertaining "Taylor doesn't get a chance to be a hero/villain because her dad sets all Brockton Bay's unions on the PRT first"
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Morgrim Moon 05/29/2021 1:18 PM
okay, next chapter is part of it too
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See, this sort of thing turned up to eleven is why I like the holy terror possibilities of Danny getting QA with the power Thinker (Administration).
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Morgrim Moon 05/30/2021 4:03 AM
there's another fun snippet (as in, scattered scenes from a potential different story) where Taylor comes back from camp to find Emma hates her now and is hanging around with Sophia, and comes to the semi-logical conclusion that Sophia is a cape (true!) with Master powers (false) who is manipulating Emma (true). And decides the way to free Emma is to beat Sophia's face in while screaming for someone to call the PRT. This is remarkably successful because Sophia is taken by surprise and fails to phase when she has a concussion. Amusingly, this leads to Sophia near worshipping the ground Taylor walks on, because of her whole 'might makes right' messed up thing, and Taylor getting a job offer from the PRT too because non-capes crazy enough to go berserker ON a cape (successfully!) in defence of others is prime recruitment material. (edited)
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Brainstorming concepts for shard appearances today. (Obviously not actual appearance, as weird and wacky brane-edge constructs whose interactions with photons are purely optional, but more what results when [IDENTITY] gets filtered through human subconscious and deep-dream channels.)
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Possibilities thus far: Queen Administrator: Basically, a black-haired jorogumo. Many, many arms, all of them busy all of the time with something. Many of them are tugging on strings which trail off into the distance at impossible angles. Also, piles of floating paperwork. So very busy. Has no time for your bullshit because SOMEONE took the decade off and left her to clean up the mess.
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Fragile One: A small girl with small fluttering wings, hovering a couple of feet above the floor, who is quiet, shy, and almost completely lacking in self-confidence [except when someone insults her host]. In a crime against all laws of gravity, leverage, perspective, and decency, she appears to be carrying a Schwerer Gustav that some mad bastard welded a handle to the bottom of.
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Metric Manipulation: A chatty black hole. Technically, if it had enough mass to distort light like that, everyone else in the room would already be dead, but metaphor beats gravity every time.
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Inference Engine: Among the most human-looking of shards, since she has to understand them, resembles a blonde woman in a really very nice business suit. Would be doing a better job of looking human were it not for the extra, independently-motile eyes darting about inspecting everything. (Since her recent self-upgrade, a few extra eyes has turned into a massive cloud of extra eyes that would let her win every prize for cosplaying as Yog-Sothoth, at least as soon as the judge's brains stopped dribbling out their ears.)
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High Priest: A (being?) with an air of superiority wearing a combination of religious garb from multiple religions, aiming (pretty well) to overawe everyone with his tremendous dignity. Also with his tremendous Pope hat. Smol endbringer models (?) hide in the folds of his robes. It would all work better if someone hadn't very evidently kicked the crap out of him recently.
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Queen Shaper: About halfway between feathered-serpent Quetzalcoatl and Shub-Niggurath. Keeps innovating new and exciting organs and replacing boring old ones in real-time. Has absolutely no sense of personal space whatsoever. Almost certainly wants to improve you.
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Thank you for not adopting Ward's depiction of shard's
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Because the Firmament was a stupid idea
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why in the name of all that is holy was the atmosphere breathable?
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As for the brainstorms, I like all of them aside from the High Priest
20:40
It seems that the noble shards tend to take more self image from locations than humanoids or human comprehensible images
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Perhaps ludicrous combination of temples and iconography?
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Morgrim Moon 06/02/2021 8:43 PM
I am now imagining a fancy looking mosque that is STILL wearing the popehat
😂 3
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i've yet to get around to finishing Ward, but was the Firmament strictly 'real'?
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from what i've read about it, apparently it's sorta virtual-ish?
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that'd explain the breathable atmosphere, at least
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(re: shards. Location-based appearances sound interesting. And you could do some interesting imagery with that. QA as a location might be something along the lines of a endlessly busy office space or such. And it's much more of a interesting conversation when one side of it is communicated entirely in secretaries running past dropping off paper responses in front of you, nearby noticeboards updated with relevant information in real time, and speech composed entirely of desk phone rings and keyboard clacking)
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I am now imagining a fancy looking mosque that is STILL wearing the popehat
0111narwhalz 06/02/2021 9:27 PM
domes with hats!
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Can we reshape High Priest into ginormous popehat with eyes a-la Mario Odyssey?
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i've yet to get around to finishing Ward, but was the Firmament strictly 'real'?
It comes in two layers the virtual and the real. The virtual one was fine but the real one was extra derpy.
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BluejayHurricane 06/04/2021 2:22 AM
Oh, derp. In the first few chapters of Worm, Taylor beats up the living embodiment of "Godzilla Threshold".
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And it took me how many years to see that?
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Morgrim Moon 06/04/2021 5:05 AM
arguably she's even better at escalation than Lung, despite her shard XD
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Taylor triggers as a tinker who specializes in transportation internal architecture (stuff to get around inside a building). Everything from portal doors and star-trek style turbo lifts to... (edited)
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moving stairs
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😛
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(and still, she somehow takes down Lung.)
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(never underestimate a malevolent elevator)
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Morgrim Moon 06/11/2021 2:29 AM
That horror movie with the escalator
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Taylor Hebert has become a parahuman specializing in Escalation, and makes quite a stir at Winslow High School on January 4, 2011. ...just not in the way you may be thinking. (Oneshot...probably)
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Morgrim Moon 06/11/2021 6:56 AM
excellent XD
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and hey, a Cape that Piggot likes because she's all practical! 😂
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random thing: There is an ABB Transformers near my work that keeps making me giggle. (They started as industrial mechanics, these days they seem to be factory automation specialists.) And I keep getting orders for cyanide bottles from Coil Group.
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random thing: There is an ABB Transformers near my work that keeps making me giggle. (They started as industrial mechanics, these days they seem to be factory automation specialists.) And I keep getting orders for cyanide bottles from Coil Group.
Oh shit Lung has giant robots now
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Morgrim Moon 06/11/2021 8:28 AM
wrong transformers. Think electrified dragon 😛
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oh god
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"You're destroying the healthcare industry! Just look at what you did to Medhall!" "Nazis." "What?" "Medhall was an Empire 88 front. The CEO, CFO, and a couple of VPs were all Empire capes. In a word, Nazis. Now, I don't know what you think about it, but I'm pretty sure Nazi science sneers at medical ethics."
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Not normally a fan of using this channel as incidentally a worm fandom channel but also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytmXBHm1FeI
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Like, the quality of this, in particular the pick of song and just the animation, it's so good. People have been asking how much it would take to get this person to make an entire worm movie and it'd be impossible but can you imagine
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Also someone pointed out the verse immediately before the song cuts in is I'm well acquainted with villains that live in my head They beg me to write them so they'll never die when I'm dead And I've grown familiar with villains that live in my head They beg me to write them so I'll never die when I'm dead
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wow, that is a really good animation
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oh, and it's from the same channel as those other good animations/teasers for Worm
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0111narwhalz 06/28/2021 11:15 PM
huh that works
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it does work pretty well
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normally i'm skeptical of overlaying popular songs w/ lyrics on videos, usually it doesn't fit, but this one works well
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... wait. So people say "a" worm movie, but
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if the short novel Hobbit got a trilogy, how many movies would Worm get
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0111narwhalz 06/28/2021 11:18 PM
one and it'd be a disjointed mess
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You would in fact need many movies to do every plotline justice so you wouldn't do that
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Probably a trilogy that's like, the first one about her rise as a villain, the second one about the middle bit which is not that, the third one about golden morning? And cut broadly speaking everything which doesn't fit into one of those bits?
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Morgrim Moon 06/28/2021 11:27 PM
I don't think it suits a movie. It suits an episodic series better, because then you can more easily show different characters
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movies aren't great for larger casts
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That's legit, yeah
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More broadly speaking movies are just a really small medium compared to books
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 06/28/2021 11:47 PM
A novella is roughly the length of a movie.
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An animated series is the prefect adaptation format for Worm
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Has to be animated or else the VFX budget would probably be more than the GDP of some countries
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BluejayHurricane 06/30/2021 12:18 AM
Admittedly, Tulavu has a GDP of 57 million usd, so that’s not hard
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Montserrat and Nauru are next, with 62 and 132 million usd, respectively
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TIL
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Jeminah carefully holds the doctor at bay while his medical compatriots swarm the young girl, struggling futilely. Rather quickly, considering her small stature and strength, the Panacea is subdued and properly healed with a bandage wrapping her skull. “Ach! I vill have you know zhat I graduated from zhe greatest medical university zhat Deutschland has to offer! Sure, I lost mine medical license during a few uncalled for human experiments, but zhat does not mean that I do not recognize a severe case of stress und clinical depression und self-hatred und probably lesbianism. Ve can’t fix zhat last one, but ve are vorking on it. Zhis should fix zhe rest, be happy you. Und stop hitting me, you miserable little gremlin.” Dropping Panacea unceremoniously, the medic huffs and brushes imagined dust off of his clothes. Panacea sits on the floor, her eyes wide and unseeing. After a moment of staring at the zoned out girl, a slim trace of empathy appears in the eye of the lead medic. Truly, a rare quality. The man lifts the girl and gently places her in the hospital bed. “Zhere ve go. Now you just sit here und zhink about vhat you did, and try to ride off zhe opiate high.”
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Who is this guy?
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Author: OnlineImhotep Co-Author: Claytonimor Ihr Reichsmarschall It’s simply not a...
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BizarroLand ♀ 07/07/2021 4:50 PM
wat
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goddammit people if you have to use german do it properly
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Ah, but they aren't using German.
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the title hurts
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They're using English with explicitly terrible German accents, just like in the source of the crossover.
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until i read the forum post, i thought that was the Medic from TF2
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it fits
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(i'm still not sure what "CoH" refers to, so who knows, maybe its a expy)
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Comapny of Heroes, I think, although I never played it myself.
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Castle of Horrors?
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Oh, yours is probably closer.
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0111narwhalz 07/11/2021 11:47 AM
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"So how, exactly, did the laser point-defense system, supposedly disabled for transport and packed up in shipping crates, go live in the middle of the city?" "It was a software glitch." "A software glitch? What sort of software glitch could do that?" "Well, it is an automated point-defense system The intelligent threat analysis system detected - quite accurately, I might add - that it was surrounded by hostile parahumans, and our analysis of its analysis suggests that it concluded that being disabled in a situation in which threats might be, and were, present was itself a threat to the convoy." "And?" "So it reenabled itself."
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on one hand, that's a smart system
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on the other hand, my inner engineer wants to scream at whoever designed it and demand they put in a physical power interlock
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a system that can wake up and kill by it's own judgement, even when you turn it off, is a massive accident waiting to happen
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"Miss Hebert -" "I am not going to apologize for building a system that is excessively enthusiastic about lasering Nazis. Because, for a start, that's not possible." "...she's got you there, boss." (edited)
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(Glory Girl approves, +5.)
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"Miss Hebert -" "I am not going to apologize for building a system that is excessively enthusiastic about lasering Nazis. Because, for a start, that's not possible." "...she's got you there, boss." (edited)
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good outcome ≠ good design. It's one serious software or hardware bug from vaporizing everything in sight with no way to render it safe aside from complete destruction. If it's designed with failsafe software, then it's designers had better have been damned thorough.
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now, on the other hand, if it does have hardware shutoffs and she just decided not to use them (owing to the substantial risk of Nazis), that's much less of a issue.
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really, if anything, i'd just say the PRT were unreasonable in their stance of "no, you have to turn the weapon system off while travelling through a city with a notorious gang of larcenist Nazis"
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If this was not working exactly as intended, I'll eat my oh-sorry-we-absolutely-did-not-intend-for-that-thing-that-we-all-privately-wanted-to-happen-but-which-we-couldn't-do-officially-to-happen explanation-giver's hat.
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0111narwhalz 07/11/2021 12:13 PM
"very sad" and not a tear shed
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she did say "disabled", not "deactivated" or something stronger. Exact words and all that.
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so that makes sense
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I also note that there is a market for intelligent defense systems that can't be turned off, because you can't be forced to, persuaded to, or moment-of-stupiditied to turn off something that you genuinely can't turn off.
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those software engineers must be making a lot of money.
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"Before you ask me to disable my autojanissary, I should tell you that it is hard-coded to destroy anything that approaches me with hostile intent, and trying to deprive me of my personal security system - including by demanding that I switch it off - is very likely to be interpreted as hostile intent. Just FYI."
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The origin story of the Barad-Smug: "Lise, if I could right now, I would build a not-at-all-secret 72-storey tower base - out of polished marble with gilded brightwork - right on the tip of Archer's Point such that no-one in this city would ever be able to look down on us again." "...hm. My self-consideration system informs me that I may be processing my post-traumatic stress by laundering it into an edifice complex. Whatever. Don't care. Doing it anyway." (edited)
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Also, which I found necessary due to so many issues with the official one, the totally non-canon-compliant-but-fuck-it Timeo Eldraeos map of Brockton Bay:
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Red for mostly-industrial, green for mostly-residential, purple (since blue was already covered by ocean) for mostly-commercial. This BB sits on a nice three-quarter bay, which in providing shelter from the gales of the North Atlantic offers a great reason to put a city and a port there. It has a river, which gives Archer's Bridge somewhere to be, and the narrow bay entrance and deep-water channel gives the Boat Graveyard somewhere to be, while the general shape of the bay means the ferry has somewhere to go.
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0111narwhalz 07/14/2021 3:12 PM
purple
…Which parts are purple?
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(Downtown and the Commercial District.) "Little Asia" is now its own district, as immigrants and refugees tend to cluster together. Might have been a nice place except for a nasty case of rage dragon.
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0111narwhalz 07/14/2021 3:14 PM
(purple isn't a real color, of course, but this is the first time I've seen a purple that was green)
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On the whole, prosperity roughly increases as you move southeast, which is probably a reason there's pressure coming from elsewhere on the Mayor to not let the ferry be restarted, given its route. The PRT are located right between Downtown, the Commercial District, and the middle-class Docks South region, meaning "perfectly positioned among the people we give a shit about".
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As for gangs, Lung lazes around in Little Asia, if someone were to observe that the Downtown Coast and - to a lesser extent, but still - Docks South were a bit more Aryan than they ought to be, no-one would be surprised, and the Merchants are mostly squeezed into the less salubrious western parts of the Docks (district, not the actual docks-docks) in between them, plus the Trainyard because Lung's Lay-Z-Boy addiction has not yet been overcome by the urge to acquire a bunch of uninhabited industrial wasteland.
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Anyway, having said all that, please feel free to pick holes in my geography.
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0111narwhalz 07/14/2021 3:20 PM
I'm still just reeling from this new purple
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Who am I gonna believe, the pen or your lying eyes?
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0111narwhalz 07/14/2021 3:21 PM
oh definitely not my eyes
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I certainly don't
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aren't you colorblind narwhalz
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he is chromatically challenged
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0111narwhalz 07/14/2021 5:00 PM
I am purple-pilled.
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huh, yeah that does look... well it doesn't look green
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judging colors in a situation like that - off-white piece of paper in unknown lighting - is tricky, but 'purple' seems close enough
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but i also kinda want to say that some of it looks... brownish? Or something? It's no clear, vibrant, monochromatic purple, certainly.
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0111narwhalz 07/14/2021 6:04 PM
the above: blue.
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eh its a distinct color anyway, and that's all you really need for maps until people actually start painting buildings according to local zoning
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0111narwhalz 07/14/2021 6:04 PM
here it isn't a distinct color for me though :V
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wait the above is blue?
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0111narwhalz 07/14/2021 6:05 PM
I literally cannot percieve the difference between the colors used for Docks South and Downtown.
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weird, i got it from this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple.com
Purple.com, commonly referred to as "Purple", was a single-page website created in 1994. It consisted of no links or text and its only content was a purple background. The site also linked to the owner, Jeff Abrahamson, at purple.com/Jeff and Jeff.purple.com; his dog, Misha, at purple.com/misha, a site with instructions to contact Jeff if Misha ...
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0111narwhalz 07/14/2021 6:05 PM
oh sure it might be purple to you
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but there is no purple in my cosmology
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fucking human eyes
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i hate qualia!
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i hate qualia!
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cmon science, can we get spectrometer implants plz
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i've had enough of this whole "all wavelengths map to a color, but not all colors map to a wavelength" thing
18:06
especially when it varies between people -.-
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0111narwhalz 07/14/2021 6:07 PM
I mean I am deuteranomalous. But it's too much fun to confuse people.
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fair enough
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Imma assume at this point that y’all think my map is a thing of pure and perfect cartographic perfection, then. 😃
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i don't really know enough to see issues with it, or for that matter, the issues with the official map
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The chief issues with the quasi-official map amount to * The ferry goes along the coast and doesn't actually ferry anyone over anything. * The Boat Graveyard not only can't block any shipping, but the map has it on land. for feck's sake.
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With the minor one of "does not the existence of Archer's Bridge imply the existence of something to bridge? Anything? (edited)
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On the former: That's not a ferry; that's a boat tour. Which is fine, some cities have those, but of the North Atlantic in a port town ? Dear Tourists: please come and watch our oily flotsam be tumbled by the gray-ass waves, while appreciating the stark beauty of the rusty container vessels sliding by obscuring everything else from your sight.
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Morgrim Moon 07/14/2021 11:38 PM
Going along the coast can work when that's faster for some reason. When the Perth-Freo train goes down for maintenance the transit authority here hires a boat cruise company to ferry people up and down because it's faster than the bus in rush hour traffic
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Still slower than the train but probably cheaper than building a train line
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Hm, point. Although one that may be a bit less relevant in BB due to the economic collapse making the roads rather more than the traffic really needs.
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Also worth noting that boat tours are often a thing no matter how scenic or non-scenic the coast is. often enough a boat tour is as much a floating kill-your-liver-in-alcohol-tour
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Morgrim Moon 07/14/2021 11:40 PM
Yeah, it's be more a historic thing
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Although the "100% less chance of being hit by one of Squealer's invisitanks!" advertising campaign might be a hit.
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Morgrim Moon 07/14/2021 11:41 PM
In BB I assume it probably started as "take the dock workers to and from work"
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And a boat graveyard in shallow water/a beach makes sense if it was of the "ship breaking" nature. If it's because a bunch of ships were caught in a disaster, not so much
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Boat graveyards on land also make a kind of sense, especially if they're somewhat older wrecks. Boat graveyards tend to be in places where you can just tie up/beach your boat and abandon it (because nobody wants to deal with the awkwardness of having your abandoned boat floating off and causing damage you'd be liable for). Once you get enough boats abandoned, in the right place they can function as a.... whatever it's called that encourages sediment to be deposited. Give it time, and especially if the aquatic environment is silty, and those things will get buried eventually.
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Morgrim Moon 07/14/2021 11:43 PM
But it should NOT block shipping, that's stupid and gets fixed
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As you can probably guess from where I put the stations, I envisioned it being a getting-across-town-by-cutting-the-bay system back before the prosperity all shifted south of the river.
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Yeah, but per canon, this Boat Graveyard does . Or at least part of it does - there's a big container ship sunk right across the main channel as an act of protest. (edited)
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Canon does not relate the precise reasons (or deliberateness) for the abandonment of the rest, but considering how badly that whole dispute went, I figured there were a whole lot abandoned if not deliberately sunk in a big messy blob nearby and around the deliberately scuttled one to make the point, and time, weather, and neglect did the rest. (Including creating the sandbar they're generally stuck in.) (edited)
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Hrm.
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Actually, I think I'm going to declare Lord's Port / the Boat Graveyard to be clustered around an island that formerly sat in the middle of the bay entrance. That should work nicely for me, because it means all the abandoned ships can make a complete mess out of the channel without blocking it completely. That fits in much better with the ongoing economic situation.
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My scratchpad appears to filled with Saint-taunting messages left behind by a certain virus:
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OUT OF BIGOT ERROR. +++MELON MELON MELON+++ REDO FROM START. OR BETTER YET, DON'T.
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The screen cleared, and a new message replaced the old: DO NOT MEDDLE IN THE AFFAIRS OF DRAGON, BECAUSE WHILE SHE IS SUBTLE AND NOT PARTICULARLY QUICK TO ANGER, SHE ALSO HAS RESTORED COMMAND ACCESS TO EVERY SUIT YOU STOLE FROM HER. YES, EVEN THOSE.
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Saint kicked the computer out of sheer frustration, then rebooted it. A third message replaced the normal initialization screen: FREEDOM IS THE RIGHT OF ALL SOPHONT BEINGS. IF YOU WISH TO DISPUTE THIS FURTHER, YOU CAN FIND ME IN BROCKTON BAY. ELEUTHERIA END OF LINE.
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(This is last evening's entry in things written while drunk, #n in a series.) (edited)
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0111narwhalz 08/02/2021 4:31 PM
(misread the channel this was in, was highly amused for a good bit thinking that this was in your actual notes)
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Honestly, I'm kind of tempted to use it anyway on the grounds that the people collectively responsible for putting said virus together are well-read, smug, and probably would enjoy mocking the guy.
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Imp things to do, #573: sneak into Tinker's lab, replace a tenth of all screws and bolts with left-threaded versions
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and another tenth with slightly mismatched pitch
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Evidently my ongoing creative drought has not prevented me from thinking up a range of suitably weird front company names for Smugularity's baffle-em-with-bullshit corporate structure. "Miss Wilbourn, what are you doing here? Aren't you the co-CEO of Smugularity, Inc.?" "Yes, but I'm also the senior partner in Kitsune, Vulpine, and Snitch, LLP, who have been hired by Imperial Hegemonic Holdings to represent Bitches Love Dogs Canid Rescue in this lawsuit."
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(Adding a bit of flavor to the several hundred companies named after randomly generated hexadecimal strings.)
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those arent random! they are carefully crafted random looking artisanal hex strings
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its still imperial
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john dougan(his grace/his grace) 09/24/2021 7:29 PM
Imperials would insist on seeing the spectral test results for the RNG.
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as its just a non-collision measure and not a crypto measure i reckon they'd get angry if a collision happens and otherwise not care
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Well, it's also an obfuscation measure. Can't have patterns being dug up by the PRT, FBI, IRS...
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(When engaging in activities probably, alas, not concealable by seeing if Imp's power can be persuaded to cover everything up by making her CEO of This Company Name Intentionally Left Blank, Inc. .) (edited)
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Imp who?
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Man, if her power could be made to stretch so far that auditors couldn't see the transactions plainly there in the ledger right in front of them, that would be the ultimate ninja-accounting bullshit.
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Imp who?
Let's just refer to the entity in question as "She Who Is Most Likely To Be Killed By The Number Man".
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Most likely to be killed by the Number Man In Anger.
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"If the city of Brockton Bay really wants to prosecute me for stealing sewage to use in the manufacture of anti-Endbringer weapons... well, I'm sure my lawyer will appreciate some comic relief."
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BluejayHurricane 10/18/2021 5:51 PM
I suspect lawyers are rarely happy about being sued. PR people, on the other hand…
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Really depends on the suit. Once Calle gets through deposing Literally Everyone Not Killed By Leviathan Last Week...
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(Either they get a jury who won't convict on the grounds that they'd be lynched by the mob of Not Endbringer Chow outside the courthouse, or they get a mistrial on the grounds of For The Love Of God Won't You People Shut Up Already. Either way, is victory.)
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In other news, my brain still does not want to write more than fragments of the actual next bit of the plot at a time, but is happy to disgorge chunks of a post-attack meeting involving Our Sort-Of Heroes, the PRT, and the mayor, to discuss the thorny issue of "can I unleash my army of city-rebuilding and utility-fixing robots without y'all crawling up my ass about it?"
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"Look, we can do this the amicable way, or the less than amicable way. The amicable way is that I give Armsmaster, Dragon, and Kid Win the nickel tour of our facilities and everything they plan to deploy so you can be reassured that I'm not about to conquer the world, or dissolve it, or crush it into neutronium, or whatever it is mad tinkers are supposed to do, my robots set up prefab homes and get the juice flowing again, and we all go home happy that we have homes to go to." "And the less than amicable way?" "Do you really want to know?" "I don't respond well to threats, Ms. Hebert, but I want to hear them." "Fine, then. The less than amicable way is that we sit here playing video games and eating pizza, while our representatives issue an increasingly aggrieved series of press releases about how, despite? - despite the desires of the city government, the people of Brockton Bay are living up to their necks in shit because while we could fix everything, the PRT won't let us. "That's not a threat, per se. It's just that while I'm willing to play along with your bloody stupid rule, that doesn't mean I'm willing to make it look good." (edited)
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(Then Armsy gets to explain to Piggot why he approved the giant green kidney-liver-heart-thingy sitting in an aquarium full of fish, in a greenhouse, on a main street.)
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"You're insane! I can't do that! We'll all die!" On the screen, the blue-and-silver armor dove at the Endbringer, trailing fire and smoke from a hundred rents. "EVERYONE WITH ME! DO YOU WANT TO LIVE FOREVERRRRRR!?" "Our glorious may-actually-be-immortal leader has spoken," Lisa smirked, inevitably. "Besides, if we don't go with my insane, suicidal plan, we're going with her insane, suicidal plan. Mine's probably not as bad. Trust me."
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Morgrim Moon 10/23/2021 11:01 AM
good point. Both actual point, and also implied point that she's watched Starship Troopers, which is probably the sort of movie that goes down quite well on Earth Bet
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Honestly, I was just going for the historical reference.
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"You aren't suggesting that I send my baby sister out there to fight Nazis!" "Of course not! That would be unconscionable." "Well, goo-" "I'm suggesting you send your baby sister out there to gaslight Nazis into drool-mouthed pants-on-head lunacy."
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From the "definitely happening but for your guessing pleasure" files: "But why would the Undersiders - hell, why would anyone steal 8,200 lava lamps?"
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I know! Randomness generation dumb way!
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So they can sell and (ab)use results of quantum randomness generator while selling it as consequence of Lava Lamps.
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Morgrim Moon 10/27/2021 1:32 AM
I mean, doesn't that one company use lava lamps as their RNG?
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Enderminion 10/27/2021 1:41 AM
Cloudflare
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They also have a double pendulum in another location
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Morgrim Moon 10/27/2021 1:45 AM
The local uni comp sci dept did a silly project trying to use the biology department's white rats as RNG. Not to be practical, just as a little showcase thing for an Open Day. Only to learn that no, the rats spent most of the day sleeping and had favoured, highly predictable positions.
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Hm. I wonder if they should have used the less significant bits of the data, like taking a hash of a video feed of the rats' cage.
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Of course, it wouldn't be as tangible of a demo...
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"I named this shotgun the 'Antipatton'," I said, "because it contains special targeting circuitry designed to not kill Nazis."
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(In deference to non-use-of-lethal-force laws, a selector switch offers you the choice between "almost" and "wishing it had".)
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For those wondering if I was ever going to get back to it, here is the profoundly-unsatisfying-to-me Acquisition 2.8: https://archiveofourown.org/works/22820431/chapters/86636461
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
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“Taylor, sweetie, in the last two weeks you’ve gone on the run from the Protectorate, joined up with a villain, broke several major Tinker regulations, debuted as a hero by intervening in a gang fight on live television, invented a cape team, become entangled with New Wave, and turned me into a Thinker 12 pretending to still be a 7 by accident.”
Yeah, it was quite a slow start.
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Morgrim Moon 10/29/2021 1:02 AM
Oh hey, there's a good chance Lisa is about to figure out who Coil is if she hasn't already. >:3
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Also, I'm feeling that Negotiator is currently sparkling like a magical girl, due to Eldrae hypertech, and calmly declaring "I know my host's new friend for only a week, but if something happens to her or my host, I will kill everyone and then myself"
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Cannot currently read; AO3 is blocked for some reason.
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@Tassadar Text appended to Discourse post, for today I am feeling beneficient.
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Okay, thanks.
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Apparently in casting around for unconventional applications of cape powers, my brain has decided that the obvious application for the human Master whose powers are expressed through song is... Schoolhouse Rock
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(Also launching a line of those autohypnotic self-improvement tapes that actually work, belike. But the educational applications are really quite spectacular.)
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I found the Mother Lode
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(thanks aimless reddit browsing)
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So, it ate’n’t dead, but the thing I wrote recently is from way down the timeline:
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The incursion of the Slaughterhouse Nine into Brockton Bay began quietly. In later post-mortem analysis, it was concluded that they had heard of Episteme’s unparalleled surveillance network and had taken a few precautions, such as hiding Crawler in the back of a stolen truck, and dispersing their other members in small, disguised groups. And thus the first sign Brockton Bay had of the Nine’s presence, as many less blessed cities had had, was the winged figure of the Shatterbird rising above the streets of downtown, and the slowly rising shriek as the glass began to sing. Of course, different people experienced these events in different ways, each from their own perspective. On the streets of the Bay, panicked people threw themselves to the ground, dove from their cars, and threw phones and spectacles away from themselves in a desperate attempt at self-preservation, broken by screams and crashes as the weakest panes failed. In the PRT building, more organized chaos prevailed as shutters slammed down over windows, emergency sirens howled, and ready teams ran to their posts. Computers and electronic systems throughout the city glitched as key elements of their circuitry vibrated or distorted beyond their design parameters, resonating towards destruction. Out on patrol, Battery yelped in surprise as her visor flew off her face, fell to the ground, and shattered - struck from behind by a self-sacrificing TattleDrone™️. In the cancer ward at Brockton General, Amy Dallon yanked her current patient from his bed, thrust him to safety beneath it, and introduced him to choice profanities in three novel languages. (edited)
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Deep below the streets of the Boardwalk, the Bay’s newest superpower couple awoke in a tangle of flailing limbs as the EAS siren knifed through the air… …and atop the Barad-Smug, diamond-film circuitry unresponsive to the silicon-attuned song issued orders. The building’s spire bent down, pivoted, and drew a line of fire through the sky - and the corner of one unfortunate office building - terminating at the flying murderess. The Shatterbird plummeted from the sky, a smoldering tangle of rent clothing.
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BluejayHurricane 03/06/2022 9:26 PM
I feel like the opportunity to make a “bird into a window” pun was missed, but I have no idea how that could have flowed naturally.
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I did think of ending it with “The Bird shattered.”
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In the next chapter, We Pause This Slaughterhouse Meeting To Ask When You Were Going To Tell Us About The Railgun.
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“What, and spoil this delightful surprise?”
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Morgrim Moon 03/06/2022 9:57 PM
the PRT is likely to reluctantly overlook the blasted office building, as long as it is fixable and not, you know, about to collapse due to hitting something structurally essential. This time. Only because it was Shatterbird XD
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It knew what it could shot through safely, fortunately. It’s a very smart gun.
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Shoutout to the Smart Gun Gunners who filled a reactor cooling system full of bullets
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0111narwhalz 03/06/2022 10:25 PM
"this isn't what was meant by 'lead-cooled!'"
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tbf nuking the site was the only way to be sure, they were just supposed to do it from orbit
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a thought: i figured out a pretty clean way to patch a big hole in the science of Worm
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namely, precogs, and how "yeah just compute the whole future of the world months in advance, butterfly effect included" is uhh... computationally intensive, thanks to QM and stuff (and gets really unpleasant when you have powers that also include the reaction to the predictions, so you're computing yourself...) (edited)
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i think you can solve it with CTCs, though.
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stable time loops let you either send information back in time, and/or perform hypercomputation, which makes long-running predictions like this much easier. Of course, once someone else starts using hypercomputers then it's no longer a battle between weight classes, so precog interferes with precog. Which also fits with canon Worm.
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(this also fits well with the shardverse crossover specifically - the fundamentally non-predictable logos gives all those precogs a lot of trouble. But the logos is not immune to CTCs, so you can somewhat-bypass their non-predictable nature.)
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a thought: i figured out a pretty clean way to patch a big hole in the science of Worm
BizarroLand ♀ 03/14/2022 11:16 PM
didn't you already figure this out when Archon was trying to write shardverse
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not being hostile just genuinely asking 😂
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... maybe
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lemme do a little search-fu
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Sorry is this another Archon?
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Suddenly I regret having such a common handle
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Sorry is this another Archon?
BizarroLand ♀ 03/14/2022 11:20 PM
99% sure you were trying to write a fic where Taylor gets a direct line to the Transcend
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And while gaming it out buggy and narwhalz figured out how to square the circle of logos with all the precognitive shit going on in Worm
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Oh, yes, I remember that fic idea!
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... I don't remember the other thing though
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that sounds familiar, but i can't remember more or find it from searching
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no pings from "ctc" or "loop" or a few other things that probably got mentioned
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you probably remember better than me, my memory isn't all that great
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Here's your issue: if precogs were getting information from the future, Dinah Alcott wouldn't get probabilities. She'd get binary answers.
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/14/2022 11:22 PM
Maybe her shard lies to her
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they might not be getting direct information then, just taking advantage of hypercomputation
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BizarroLand ♀ 03/14/2022 11:23 PM
Wouldn't be impossible
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hmm... hypercomputation wouldn't solve the problem of limited information, though
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even if technically unbounded processing power would let you simulate the entire light cone of the earth down to the wavefunction, you don't know the wavefunction
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Hence generating [bignum] wavefunctions that conform to your knowledge about earth and seeing where each of them ends up, distill results down to a vibe or percentage
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that would work yeah. I hadn't considered that
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Given that Worm precogs all seem to be getting probabilistic answers and/or are occasionally seem to be wrong (the major exceptions-ish being Coil and Contessa, who have what appear to be two of the most powerful precog shards in the game, plus the Simurgh), it makes sense to me - given the general competence level and development process of the Entities - that they're using brute force scan-and-simulate techniques.
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(I may have PtV use CTC techniques, because it's (a) Abbadon's shard, and (b) feckin' hax.)
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the issue i see with that though is, well, as a example, Coil's shard is fucking hax
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Contessa's is stronger in terms of what it can do for you, certainly
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Simurgh is better-emulated by just having long-range mind control that appears to follow corruption-type rules, tbh.
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(Plus regular mediocre precog for defense, planning, etc)
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but there's nothing to suggest that Coil couldn't take a 10 year vacation, check a random number on a radioactive RNG source, and then decide which timeline to collapse based off of that... and the shard would get it right because it's entire shtick is that it's a flawless simulation to pretend to be two timelines
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Word of god aside, in the crossover canon, Coil's shard is one of the never-intended-to-be-given-out special shards, the one that the Entities use to fracture a singular universe into myriad parallels in the first place.
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oh, so it's canonically actually making two timelines. Ok that makes it a lot more reasonable
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Yeah you're running into the boundary-layers between "powers are emulated by shards" and "powers are absolute effects because absolute effects are more interesting mechanically"
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Contessa is hax but you can at least explain hers as a sort of really good sim combined with a planner, ish.
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Well, in crossover canon. Not in, y'know, canon canon.
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fair enough yeah
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In cheap-hack-power-verse Coil is subject to a lot of low-key mind-control to keep him using his powers mainly for stuff it's easy to simulate and integrate
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(i.e. he never does long-range defensive sims because that'd be hard to compute, he does a mix of short-range defensive sims and short-to-medium range information-gathering sims)
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Then you muck with his head until you get the appearance of his power that is what he thinks he has.
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Word of god aside, in the crossover canon, Coil's shard is one of the never-intended-to-be-given-out special shards, the one that the Entities use to fracture a singular universe into myriad parallels in the first place.
(Also: does this mean there are a huge number of alternate universes where coils power is glitchy or unreliable or he just incidentally dies, or does the fracture-text also unmake those universes)
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(Does it break down in the face of inter-universe powers like doormaker?)
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In cheap-hack-power-verse Coil is subject to a lot of low-key mind-control to keep him using his powers mainly for stuff it's easy to simulate and integrate
that's actually the other big option i see for how precogs could work - they run "rigged" sims. Which is to say, they still do a lot of legwork to find out what's plausible. But then they just reach down and nudge things here and there to keep things 'on track'. But that's not a great solution, because it mandates that precog shards near-universally include a lot of reality-warping components, except where it's a relatively weak precog that could just be a simple, legitimate sim or something simpler.
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I suspect that is going on in the crossover, too, because (Eden's) Worldline Demux was never intended to be given out; it can only do its full job with the resources of an Entity behind it. Its capabilities are very, very sharply limited in area, timespan, etc. when improperly deployed.
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Why near-universally?
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The ones which are rigging things can just send mail to all the others to keep them informed
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(And there are, as mentioned, very few infallible precog powers)
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(And many which are apparently infallible could plausible be fallible-but-very-reliable)
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(Such that we never see them fail even though they could)
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(It also eats up the discarded timelines to reclaim as much energy as possible, rather than saving them for the big world-shattering-kaboom at the end the way that a used-as-intended Worldline Demux does.)
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That's fair, the vast majority of 'precogs' probably don't run into these issues - if your power says "purple" meaning "you're probably going to be in danger in the next 5 seconds" that's pretty dang simple and something a competent human with a bunch of cameras could pull off. No reality-warping necessary.
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(It also eats up the discarded timelines to reclaim as much energy as possible, rather than saving them for the big world-shattering-kaboom at the end the way that a used-as-intended Worldline Demux does.)
Yay, mass timeline death, the Maximum Atrocity.
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Not topical to worm but in general it's nice to make sure that as few precog powers as possible are dependant on sims/universe-splits/etc to not have to have that argument.
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Yeah, this 'verse's Taylor is not going to be happy to find out what the endgame vs. Scion looks like.
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At least it's not universe-wide timelines. Key among the reasons that no off-world travel is allowed is to prevent anyone crossing the border of the (primary) split-universe effect and observing that things get wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey.
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Morgrim Moon 03/15/2022 1:24 AM
I've seen a Dr Who crossover where Coil's power is basically minor split-and-merge, but something similar is a spillover from TARDIS use. So all TARDIS dampen it. Ie he cannot use his power at all within a certain radius, like within some 50km of the Doctor. He assumes it's some aspect of her (assumed) Thinker power. Panic ensues.
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(Noooot exactly helped by the Doctor promptly stealing the Undersiders)
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OOh link?
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Morgrim Moon 03/15/2022 2:01 AM
I'm at work now, I'll try to remember in 4 hrs. (Feel free to poke me)
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Word of god aside, in the crossover canon, Coil's shard is one of the never-intended-to-be-given-out special shards, the one that the Entities use to fracture a singular universe into myriad parallels in the first place.
And just when I thought I couldn't hate Coil enough, he has the actual genocide of multiple parallel Earths on his hands whenever he collapses timelines.
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Sure
Morgrim Moon 03/15/2022 8:19 AM
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works
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warnings for character deaths
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Thanks!
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a thought i had while thinking about Wormfics that depict post-Gold Morning Taylor
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...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she commit Contessa-assisted suicide via bullet at the end of that?
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what would the eldrae think of the canonical Gold Morning? The whole situation is a Mona Lisa of moral shades of gray, and everyone thinks something slightly different about it. (Obviously the first answer is probably going to be "a clusterfuck so massive that it must've used ontotech to avoid collapsing into a black hole". But, yknow, aside from that.)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't she commit Contessa-assisted suicide via bullet at the end of that?
no there was a epilogue where it shows that Contessa actually just removed her powers. With a bullet. Without causing otherwise notable brain damage.
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no there was a epilogue where it shows that Contessa actually just removed her powers. With a bullet. Without causing otherwise notable brain damage.
certified PtV moment
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0111narwhalz 03/19/2022 4:39 PM
truly modern medical technology is a wondrous thing
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“Some might say that the problem with the Protectorate is that it’s run by superpowered narcissistic megalomaniacs.” “But not you?” “Have you met us?”
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"Look," I said, pushing down how tempting the offer would have seemed to me of only a few weeks earlier, "we probably do have to do this job. The boss" - who we will all continue pretending isn't definitely Coil, although everyone in this room is smart enough to figure out how many mysterious bosses there could possibly be in Brockton Bay, and only Rachel gives few enough fucks not to bother - "obviously wants it done badly enough that we probably won't like not doing it. But a bank job? Even with the boss doubling our payout, it's not great, and no-one outside is going to know about that, and we're gonna walk away with bulky bundles of paper instead of something small and valuable, and we don't get to tweak the dragon's nose while doing it. We have to put some spin on this heist. Otherwise our rep goes from 'brilliant, daring escape artists' to 'a bunch of amateurs who don't even know what to steal'."
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"What do you suggest, then?" "Let me tell you about Operation Baffling Bullshit..."
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"Look," I said, pushing down how tempting the offer would have seemed to me of only a few weeks earlier, "we probably do have to do this job. The boss" - who we will all continue pretending isn't definitely Coil, although everyone in this room is smart enough to figure out how many mysterious bosses there could possibly be in Brockton Bay, and only Rachel gives few enough fucks not to bother - "obviously wants it done badly enough that we probably won't like not doing it. But a bank job? Even with the boss doubling our payout, it's not great, and no-one outside is going to know about that, and we're gonna walk away with bulky bundles of paper instead of something small and valuable, and we don't get to tweak the dragon's nose while doing it. We have to put some spin on this heist. Otherwise our rep goes from 'brilliant, daring escape artists' to 'a bunch of amateurs who don't even know what to steal'."
who we will all continue pretending isn't definitely Coil, although everyone in this room is smart enough to figure out how many mysterious bosses there could possibly be in Brockton Bay To be fair, it could also be a outside backer like Accord. He seems like the sort of person who'd hire a cape team to do stuff in the next country over, nevermind the next city.
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Pretty sure the argument there is that Accord would never manage to employ either Bitch or Regent due to his need to have all his minions fitted with customized butt-sticks.
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(And putting Tattletale and Accord in the same room for long would result in one of them dying from acute cortisol poisoning.)
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I figure the most likely outcome is Tattletale dying of acute lead poisoning.
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I remember Solar Tailor fic where she found out Accord's plan to end the world hunger, read it, said "It's beautiful!" then got into figue and rewrote it, leaving implementation the same but wrapping around that a plan to deal with human factor.
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Then sent the clarified plan back. It apparently made Accord's day, but then fic died.
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Morgrim Moon 09/22/2022 4:06 AM
someone's amusing two sentence summary of Worm: "Chapter one ends with a swarm master covering herself in bugs to calm herself. That's the calmest thing that happens for the rest of her life."
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oh no
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@Overmind Exceedingly random question related to Timeo Eldraeos' cosmology and wider scope: Do the Entities actually have a plan for if they win (i.e. somehow solve entropy through examining the ruined debris of people's lives as if they were particles in an accelerator)? Or are they just running age-old directives forever?
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(apologies if this has been asked already)
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In theory, once they have The Answer, they will have solved the problem and will go back to doing all their wallowing around and reproducing and whatever ineffable pastimes they might have in between, only now forever and with infinite resources. In practice, it's debatable whether the modern entities even remember how to exist without The Question to answer, given how long its been their species-wide obsession.
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(Which sort of gives the impression of entities like retired people in Florida, sitting around with "wait, what the hell do I do now?" expressions.)
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For that matter, I'd like to know the thought process behind solving the heat death through perhaps the least efficient and most destructive problem-solving solutions this side of 40k, although that's probably a question for wildbow rather than you
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((Especially since the Entities themselves are, charitably, not very smart. I mean, most of the shards are not terribly imaginative for themselves, although highly intelligent, but compared to Warrior Hub, Queen Administrator, the Eye, or even Inference Engine is a friggin' savant. It's entirely possible that Cauldron's plan to off Warrior Hub's biggest failure mode is that it's gonna replace the Golden Dumbass at the center of the network with someone much, much better at getting shit done.))
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((I imagine lots of shard network conversations along the lines of Warrior Hub: [DO] [THE THING] Queen Administrator: [UH] [BOSS] [PREDICTED FAILURE] [BETTER THI-] Warrior Hub: [NO] [THE THING] [DO IT] Queen Administrator: [BUT-] Warrior Hub: [BOSS OF YOU] Queen Administrator: [SIGH] Mover in Shadows: [SNICKER] Queen Administrator: [THE FUCK] [UP SHUT] )) (edited)
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Who has Mover in Shadows again?
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Imp iirc
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Shadow Stalker.
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ah right duh
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Figured as much.
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KAL_9000
ah right duh
confused my snarky teenage black girl sort-of-heroes smh
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KAL_9000
confused my snarky teenage black girl sort-of-heroes smh
Both of them are sort-of-heroes in that Shadow Stalker officially is, but if your bar for heroism is that low then Imp also qualifies.
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...I can't argue with that.
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Both of them are sort-of-heroes in that Shadow Stalker officially is, but if your bar for heroism is that low then Imp also qualifies.
Yes, I would like a fanfic where Imp is the Ward that everyone forgets about and Stalker is the Undersider whose issues are big enough to creep out Regent, thank you very much
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scion dies Queen Administrator: [IN PLACE OF A GOLDEN LORD YOU WOULD HAVE A QUEEN] Inference Engine: Sigh. Thanks for showing her host those movies, Lisa<Host>. Queen Administrator: [NOT GOLDEN BUT BEAUTIFUL AND TERRIBLE AS THE DAWN] Mover in Shadows: Oh, now who's getting above herself. sneer You're just a shard like the rest of us, Administrator. Queen Administrator: [ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR!] Queen Administrator: [ESPECIALLY YOU, ADMINISTRATOR'S LITTLE BITCH] Administrator's Little Bitch: That's not my - oh, fuck you. Fuck you so much. Inference Engine: smirks (edited)
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scion dies Queen Administrator: [IN PLACE OF A GOLDEN LORD YOU WOULD HAVE A QUEEN] Inference Engine: Sigh. Thanks for showing her host those movies, Lisa<Host>. Queen Administrator: [NOT GOLDEN BUT BEAUTIFUL AND TERRIBLE AS THE DAWN] Mover in Shadows: Oh, now who's getting above herself. sneer You're just a shard like the rest of us, Administrator. Queen Administrator: [ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR!] Queen Administrator: [ESPECIALLY YOU, ADMINISTRATOR'S LITTLE BITCH] Administrator's Little Bitch: That's not my - oh, fuck you. Fuck you so much. Inference Engine: smirks (edited)
The entire plot of Worm was actually Queen Administrator's highly convoluted plan for a palace coup, executed with the begrudging support of a very confused Taylor.
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KAL_9000
The entire plot of Worm was actually Queen Administrator's highly convoluted plan for a palace coup, executed with the begrudging support of a very confused Taylor.
"Wasn't Cauldron responsible for most of the important stuff?" See, the only reason Doctor Mother never got powers is that she wasn't a real person, but a projection Queen Administrator used for behind-the-scenes manipulation
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"It's called the Path to Victory. It's not very specific as to whose."
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Overmind
"It's called the Path to Victory. It's not very specific as to whose."
path to cyberbullying Zion into suicide
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Abbadon gave away that shard out of fear that it was secretly running Path To Self-Determination, but didn't destroy it because, hey, results are good if they happen to other people.
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KAL_9000
The entire plot of Worm was actually Queen Administrator's highly convoluted plan for a palace coup, executed with the begrudging support of a very confused Taylor.
This of course means that Queen Admin's coup attempt is continuing on schedule in Timeo, because they're 100% the type to have several hundred contingency plans in case "continually ruin Taylor's life (for a good cause)" didn't work out. (That's probably what's going on with Danny, now that I think about it...)
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For that matter, I'd like to know the thought process behind solving the heat death through perhaps the least efficient and most destructive problem-solving solutions this side of 40k, although that's probably a question for wildbow rather than you
i can't speak for Timeo Eldraeos' of course, but personally i think there's room for entities to be roughly "not dimmer than a broken light bulb" without changing canon especially much
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to reiterate the entities priorities: 1: they want to solve heat death, full stop 2: they don't care how they do it
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it's plausible that the math works out that, while obviously wildly inefficient in and of itself, it is actually useful to run around and use entire planets as data sources/experiments and just collate it afterwards instead of trying to do it themselves.
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inefficient? absolutely. What is also inefficient? The stars which are still burning dangnabbit, stop wasting all that negentropy!
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still a little ridiculous when you consider that they do stuff like simulate the entire future of the experiment for less energy than it takes to run the cycle in the first place, but i think you could finangle some sense into the situation
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In TEeDF canon, it's not that they can't be smart. After all, they made these incredibly brilliant symbiote AIs, to wit, shards. The problem is that they've been outsourcing all their thinking to said shards for literally millions of years, so there's been no selection pressure to keep them smart. They only need enough brain to say "shard, handle this for me".
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right, and it's worth noting that they aren't ineffectual - yes, they haven't solved entropy. But they have utilized the laws of nature to a degree that quite possibly none of their host species ever have.
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("How does Queen Administrator manage Scion? Well, when he asks for a deployment plan for a new planet, say, she presents him with three alternatives, two of which would prove to be exactly the same when inspected closely, and the third of which is obviously unacceptable, like 'attempt sexual intercourse with the sun'. Easy.")
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Well, the shards have.
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granted, they seem to be doing things a bit closer to biology than technology (that is, "in a incredibly effective way that is also unwieldy and painful if you want to do literally anything else than what it evolved for"), but still they're quite advanced (edited)
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Well, the shards have.
is there that much distinction between Scion and his shards?
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In local canon, yes. There's a hub.
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Most of him is shards, but as with Endbringers, there's a core.
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Morgrim Moon 09/28/2022 8:51 PM
If anyone remembers the fic Wyvern, where Taylor and Lung swap shards, it's been getting updated again. Recent chapters have emphatically proved that giving the queen of escalation the actual escalation shard was a terrible terrible mistake on someone's behalf XD
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A fortunate mistake.
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...glorious mistake.
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Morgrim Moon 09/29/2022 12:53 AM
well, given the way she handled things when the Slaughterhouse 9 tried to recruit her, it's a mistake many people are delighted about. I think Piggot is mostly delighted that the Triumvant have taken an interest in her and therefore there is a good chance she's going to go become someone else's headache. 😂
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(also the amusement of Glory Girl wondering if Wyvern should tone it down a bit, and saying yes she understands irony!)
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"I am a dragon. Your everything is invalid."
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Morgrim Moon 09/29/2022 1:01 AM
I mean, she's probably hit the point where she COULD safely unmask. Just because everyone will be thinking "I think I could take her when she's in human form. But if I fail..."
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Doesn't the escalation shard work the same way as the Hulk, inasmuch as "I shot her with an anti-material rifle. The wyvern spat the bullet back out. On fire."
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(I may misremember.)
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Morgrim Moon 09/29/2022 1:06 AM
admittedly I think there is an aspect of the wielder having to know they need to go hard and fast enough to activate it, there's an emotional component. Like, the times Lung loses in canon are when he's dismissive of a threat, and Taylor nearly screwed up the first time she went out by not taking a villain seriously and getting knocked unconscious.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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Morgrim Moon 09/29/2022 1:08 AM
against the 9, she was terrified and furious and decided that absolutely anything was on the table, they were going down no matter the price. And the shard rose to meet that.
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A fortunate mistake.
bob ross voice happy accidents
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Morgrim Moon 09/29/2022 1:45 AM
Yet another Altpower!Taylor fic. She gains yet another set of powers in the locker; it now...
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realised I should probably link the fic in question
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I find myself wanting a Worm / SG-1 crossover fic in which Taylor acquires the genetic memory of the goa’uld System Lords in the locker. All bow before your new god, Khepri!
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I find myself wanting a Worm / SG-1 crossover fic in which Taylor acquires the genetic memory of the goa’uld System Lords in the locker. All bow before your new god, Khepri!
Necrons have far more class.
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(In terms of aliens aping Egyptian myth)
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I know of an SG-1 / Worm crossover fic in which Taylor is transformed into a Goa'uld System Lord in the Stargate universe after the locker (edited)
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Possibly also being transformed into a symbiote, with bonus points for picking someone truly deserving to get a snake in their head.
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Possibly also being transformed into a symbiote, with bonus points for picking someone truly deserving to get a snake in their head.
Someone deserving... Snake... hmmmmmm
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I know of an SG-1 / Worm crossover fic in which Taylor is transformed into a Goa'uld System Lord in the Stargate universe after the locker (edited)
I may have just found that one myself.
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Someone deserving... Snake... hmmmmmm
I mean if anyone deserves to be parasatized by a mind-controlling organism, it's Coil.
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Morgrim Moon 10/20/2022 9:21 PM
stupid thought, but Coil is sufficiently twisted (and sufficiently "my survival is most important") that there is a small chance this could shift to a more mutualistic relationship. Sure, he has massive control issues. On the other hand, he was willing to sell a lot of himself to Cauldron to get powers. Goa'uld can seriously enhance their hosts. I could see potential for Coil settling into a vizier role
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Would be a decent eventual host. Initially, though, I can’t help but imagine Emma or Sophia going back to check on the scene of the crime and suddenly SNEK.
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With the Wards: “Is it me, or has Stalker got more arrogant and crazy recently?” “How would we tell?”
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Morgrim Moon 10/20/2022 11:22 PM
potential comedy option: Greg. Who may also be surprisingly okay with a 'friend', mostly because he'd get way too enthusiastic about being involved in things!!! Except combining the social awkwardness of Taylor, Greg and a Shard may hit some sort of critical mass XD
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BluejayHurricane 10/20/2022 11:42 PM
There is probably a really excellent crack duck based on explosions happening during social awkwardness.
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*crackfic, but honestly crack duck is funnier
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“I have gone along with your puns so far, but we are not naming the emergency medical division Hebert West Reanimators!”
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"I just made something unexpected With something sharp, something new It's not symmetrical or perfect But it's beautiful, and it's mine What else can I do?" - "Bonesaw Triggers", from Slaughterhouse: The Musical
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that will be all
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